OMG. Some tea party types oppose the TPP. What to do?

[cali]

And, horrors upon horrors, Rush Limbaugh and Senator Sessions oppose it.

Never mind that the Chamber of Commerce and the vast majority of repukes in the Senate and House support it, including such wonderful reps as Ted Cruz and Darryl Issa. Never mind that Wall Street, banks too big too fail, Hedge Fund managers and caring corporations like Monsanto and Nike and Halliburton support it. Never mind that all the labor unions oppose it, that the vast majority of Congressional dems oppose it, All major environmental organizations and most Public Interest groups oppose it. Public Health groups like Doctors Without Borders oppose it. Liberal economists oppose it. Hell the NAACP opposes it.

Anyone with a scrap of intellectual honesty would recognize that opposition to the TPP largely comes from liberals and support for it comes from the right and corporate interests. Trying to make the argument the other way around is bullshit. It's absurd.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Ifn duh T-pardy is agin it, Ize fer it.

Wot's It, ennywaze?

[gratuitous]

2. Hmmm . . . that's a toughie

I'll try continuing to think for myself and holding to my principles. Standing by the Constitution often turns out to be the right thing, even in the face of overwhelming public support for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

[NaturalHigh]

3. Switch sides obviously.

Now I just hope Rush doesn't like Doritos because I would hate to give them up.

[onecaliberal]

4. Oh noes.... I guess we're tea party too. NOT!

[L0oniX]

5. NAILED IT !

[n2doc]

6. Exactly

It is just childish divisive crap.

[Marr]

7. Absurd, divisive bullshit is all they've got left.

It's pretty pathetic.

[treestar]

8. There were plenty of posts showing the poster

to be against it merely because Republicans were for it. Foolish failure to think for oneself. Now they can see how silly it was.

[Scootaloo]

26. Treestar! Still waiting to see if you think our democratic legislators are all right-wing trolls

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6723057

Come on, back it up

[BrotherIvan]

9. No, no, I want to screw workers so hard their eyes pop out

just so I'm not on the same side as Limbaugh. Pshaw, who cares if millions lose their jobs and workers in other countries are exploited, just so long as ONE man is never criticized, I'm all for it. Priorities people.

[erronis]

10. As someone said earlier today, call it ObamaTrade and every RW nut job will be agin it.

"Senator Issa - Are you in favor of ObamaTrade?"

"Only when this snowball melts in hell."

[pampango]

39. The far-right started calling it Obamatrade long ago. In fact, there is an Obamatrade.com

run by the right and full of quotes from right-wing politicians, if anyone is interested in their take.

http://obamatrade.com/

[bbgrunt]

11. I think it is hilarious that the windbag has

come out against it basically because of ODS. If he has any gas left in the gasbag he inhales, it will help tear the repukes apart.

[Kablooie]

12. They still think that opposing Obama overrides every other consideration.

It has nothing to do with the TPP itself.

[Blue State Bandit]

13. Give them what they want....

an old white guy in the White House.

[Fred Sanders]

14. OMG. Is Obama a Tea Party supporter also??? Extending the "logic"....

[cali]

16. whooshing sound and all that.

[rhett o rick]

36. Wow, no way. Pres is far from a Tea Party'er. His view on the TPP is typical

of the corporatists in both parties.

The progressives and unions are against the TPP and Obama, Clinton and the conservatives favor the TPP.

[TheKentuckian]

17. Use their opposition to scare TeaPubliKlans into backing off.

[Buzz Clik]

18. Meh. Just consider the source. They probably opposed it before they knew the details. Oh, wait...

[Binkie The Clown]

19. I know some tea party types who oppose drinking slimy water out of the gutter.

Guess we should hit the gutters and start slurping.

It is, possible, apparently, for people who disagree vehemently about some things to agree completely on other things. Wonder of wonders. The world is not quite as polarized as cable news would like to have us believe it is.

[deutsey]

28. Yes, I find myself opposing Common Core along with Tea Party types

However, if I felt Common Core actually improved the education of my children, I'd support it.

The Tea Party would oppose it no matter what because it's "Big Government".

That's a significant difference, imo.

I'm anti-war and oppose the Patriot Act, so does Rand Paul, supposedly.

Doesn't mean I'd vote for him or support the larger platform he advocates.

Just because someone I dislike supports or opposes something doesn't necessarily negate my support or opposition.

I'm kind of baffled by the "Rush-opposes-TPP!" argument. Rush has a brand of opposing anything Obama says he supports. That's what keeps his knuckle-draggers tuning in.

I have my reasons for questioning and opposing TPP and none of them involve what that fathead says.

[7962]

32. I agree. I think the most obstinate are a minority.

Sometimes i think a lot of people WANT everyone to be polarized

[QC]

20. That's a real lozor of an argument.

K&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. The only reason they hate it is because they think it surrenders some of America's POWER.

[questionseverything]

27. sovereignty,,,the right to rule ourselves

is a pretty big deal

[whereisjustice]

22. Some things are so bad for America, opposition transcends politics. TPP is one of those things.

[EEO]

23. Strange bedfellows all around on this issue.

Obama and Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are all in the same boat.

And if that doesn't scare you I don't know what will.

[jmowreader]

24. Some tea party types oppose everything the president does, no matter what it is

This is how the Teabaggers view Obama's positions...

If Obama likes TPP, it obviously MUST be horrific...even though if a Republican president had proposed the same treaty those same people would be accusing all of us of treason for not being in favor of this.

[colsohlibgal]

25. Among The Crazy Positions They Do Interest With Progressives Here And There

Most of their beliefs are seriously bat you know what loony. But on a couple of things we do agree. Runaway defense spending, the out of hand surveillance state, Pot, and now apparently also that the TPP is largely ceding our rights.

I welcome them, all hands on deck. This deal needs to be derailed. Enough has leaked out that you might assume the HRC/Obama can do no wrong crowd might give up the ghost but I highly doubt it.

[cascadiance]

30. TPP is truly a 99% versus 1% issue!

BOTH statistically in terms of who literally does not support it and figuratively that other "99% vs. 1%" issues have been discussed as well.

The French learned from the guillotines of the past that when the PTB try to push issues too hard when pretty much everyone hates them except the elites, that ultimately if they don't give in to real democratic principles in how they rule, these things happen.

[annabanana]

29. I say we take support wherever we can get it.

On this one issue, the populist streak that runs through the TP is exactly what we need. I wish we could get them past their social issues... OWS and the TP together would be unstoppable.

[7962]

31. Limbaugh opposes it? Wow, I didnt know that. he usually follows the corporate master!

Other tha that, the TP opposes Obama, so it shouldnt be a stretch for them to oppose the TPP either!

[phiddle]

33. Enter into a marriage of convenience with the tea party on this issue. (Better, a one night stand?)

The issue of the TPP seems to be not left/right so much as corporatists vs populists in both parties. A similar Tea Party-Left alliance can be found on the Patriot Act/NSA/Domestic Surveillance complex of issues. On the one side, (mostly) liberal Dems such as Mark Udall, Sanders, et al plus the more rabid Tea Partiers like Justin Amash, Mike Lee, etc. On the other, the corporatists in both parties---Obama, McConnell, Boehner, etc.

Instructive is that Tea Partiers and LibDems come to the NSA issue with different concerns---for the libs it's grounded in civil liberties, whereas for the TPers it's more an issue of big (and by definition, intrusive) government. For my own part, I don't care where the votes come from to drastically limit the domestic surveillance, nor why a particular vote is cast; I just want it done.

Similarly, regarding the TPP, the LibDems' concerns are due process, corporatism, protection of the American worker, and harmonizing labor/environmental/currency practices upward. For the TP it's more about one world government and hatred of Obama. I think that we should do everything we can to harvest their votes against the TPP. If this alliance were to succeed in stopping the TPP, it would have some nice spinoffs: reducing McConnell's sway, heightening frictions in the Republican party, weakening Boehner, and strengthening he progressives in the Democratic camp. That sounds like win-win-win-win to me.

[Scuba]

34. I'm waiting for Kid Rock, Meatloaf and Ted Nugent to weigh in.

[Jim Lane]

35. Pat Buchanan opposed NAFTA.

So I was going to switch over to supporting it but then I found out that would put me on the same side as Newt Gingrich.

I decided to watch golf on television instead.

[kentuck]

37. When you're fightin' the corporate masters....

You need all the help you can get. If the Tea Party and the liberals oppose it, then we should celebrate the one area on which we agree, in my opinion.

[hunter]

38. I do my best to make it irrelevant for me.

I boycott everything, except when I don't.

My mid 'eighties salvage title car has lichen growing on it, I only wash the windows, and the resident spiders simply hunker down whenever I drive, like it's a very windy day.

I'm posting this from a $35 computer and a bunch of junk.

"Economic Productivity" as it is now defined is a direct measure of the damage we do to our earth's natural environment and our human spirit.

90% of all "work" is crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law