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brooklynite

(94,742 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 09:58 AM Jun 2015

The Hillary Disconnect

The Washington Post:

New Washington Post/ABC News polling finds Clinton losing ground on personal attributes and in the realm of preferred media narratives. Only 45 percent of Americans have a favorable view of her; only 41 percent say she is honest and trustworthy; 50 percent disapprove of her handling of the Clinton Foundation stories; and 55 percent disapprove of her handling of her emails. Majorities see the Clinton Foundation and her handling of Benghazi as legit fodder in the election.

Meanwhile, a new New York Times/CBS News poll finds:
— 85 percent of Americans favor requiring employers to offer paid sick leave.
— 80 percent favor requiring employers to offer paid leave to parents of new children.
— 71 percent support raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour.
— 68 percent support raising taxes on those making more than $1 million per year.
— 66 percent say the distribution of money and wealth in this country should be more evenly distributed among more people.
— 57 percent say government should do more to reduce the gap between rich and poor.

Hillary Clinton recently declared support for mandated paid sick leave, and her campaign launch video called for paid family leave. She supports a minimum wage hike. She has called for closing tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy. She has repeatedly criticized soaring income inequality and a tax code gamed to protect certain types of high-end wealth.

The Clinton camp seems to be operating from the assumption that it can speak directly to voters with little regard for complaints from the news media about restricted access to the candidate. Generally speaking, news organizations have devoted far more attention to the Clinton Foundation, her emails, and Benghazi than they have to her positions on issues and to her overall critique of the economy. It’s very early, so the polling doesn’t tell us all that much, but if the above numbers are at all accurate, for the time being the former may be influencing public opinion a good deal more than the latter.
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The Hillary Disconnect (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
I admit she does carry a lot of baggage with her. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #1
care to say DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #2
I see you're in Tampa. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #6
Just perfect: a Hillary pep-talk....AT THE LEXUS DEALERSHIP! nt Romulox Jun 2015 #8
We Clinton supporters are a diverse group. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #11
We Clinton supporters are a diverse group DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #12
Sorry to hear you lost your car DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #14
I have to admit DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #13
"the former may be influencing public opinion a good deal more than the latter"?? Wilms Jun 2015 #3
+1 n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #4
People like Hillary,....... NCTraveler Jun 2015 #5
It's a matter of trust. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #7
We don't believe her. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #9
voters base decisions on who they like, not who has better policies. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #15

BKH70041

(961 posts)
1. I admit she does carry a lot of baggage with her.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jun 2015

And her promises are not necessarily something of which I believe she will follow through, but that's OK because some of them shouldn't be.

But to this point, from where I stand anyway, she's the only candidate worth considering.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
6. I see you're in Tampa.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jun 2015

I'm sitting at the Lexus dealership on Dale Mabry getting one of my cars serviced, but only for another hour. Come down and meet me here and I'll explain it to you in person; face-to-face. It's a hell of a lot more fun for me to do these things within arms length where I can personally communicate and then observe the reaction to what I'm saying.

And I'm really good in a crowd.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
12. We Clinton supporters are a diverse group
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

I don't even own a car. I haven't owned one since May of 2010. I lost everything in The Great Recession including my 2007 Lexus ES 350 ... Ironically I still have bittersweet memories when I see one on the road.

As far as catching the gaze of strangers including women I liked my 04 Infiniti G 35 better but those things hardly matter to me any more...

Not having much money makes me more aware of what is important and what isn't.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
14. Sorry to hear you lost your car
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jun 2015

and while I salute you for realizing what is important, some of us for whom Hillary as second choice also feel that way, namely because he want her to listen more to us and less to the Lloyd Blankfelds and Alice Waltons who do NOT understand, nor care about, people like you and me. I do not think she is the greed demon some make her out to be, but I do think that if she did talk more to people like us, she would realize that the people who do work, who do save, and who do everything we were taught to do still wind up losing everything while a lot of the rich idiots get to make mistake after mistake, and then have us bail them out.

However, if Bernie does not win, I will be with you in 2016 like everyone else.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
13. I have to admit
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

That is something of a surreal image that says a lot more about the answer than anything else, especially if you are the sort that brags about having a luxury car, talking about how self important your time is. I could also make a comment that that Toyota lexus is a choice for those who want Toyota reliability, cheapness, but still want to say "I am an upper-middle class important person." Again, that answered my questions easily, as I could anticipate the responses.

By the way, I NEVER advertise who I am online, because it is a great way to get into trouble. I can easily imagine GOP trolls roaming and saying "yeah I am so and so" trying to pull a Mile O' Keefe.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
3. "the former may be influencing public opinion a good deal more than the latter"??
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jun 2015

Ya think? Suddenly parroting Warren and Sanders was supposed to make a difference?

Maybe the insularity isn't helping much. The press can report on the press releases or on her record, or even on the lies told about her.

She's in a tough place...but it's largely of her own doing.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. People like Hillary,.......
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

and their willingness to honestly and openly discuss these issues, is why so many of them have so much support. Just like healthcare. Discussing single payer has now become acceptable discourse in most circles. That is because people like Clinton and Obama are willing to fight to improve healthcare for decades. Including talking about the role of government in healthcare. The shift is slow but it is happening. It is also one of the reasons Sanders joining the parties field is huge. The verbiage he uses comes across. It takes time but does make a difference. Thanks for the op.

Every one of those issues is up for discussion and favored because of the great work of unions and democrats over time.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
7. It's a matter of trust.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jun 2015

Many people don't think Hillary will stand by her words after the campaign is over.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. voters base decisions on who they like, not who has better policies.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

That is, of course, unless they're partisan Ds or Rs in a general election.



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