Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:07 PM Jun 2015

Haunting chalkboard drawings, frozen in time for 100 years, discovered in Oklahoma school



By Elahe Izadi
June 6

Teachers and students scribbled the lessons — multiplication tables, pilgrim history, how to be clean — nearly 100 years ago. And they haven’t been touched since.



This week, contractors removing old chalkboards at Emerson High School in Oklahoma City made a startling discovery: Underneath them rested another set of chalkboards, untouched since 1917.



“The penmanship blows me away, because you don’t see a lot of that anymore,” Emerson High School Principal Sherry Kishore told the Oklahoman. “Some of the handwriting in some of these rooms is beautiful.”



The chalkboards being removed to make way for new whiteboards are in four classrooms, according to the Oklahoma City Public School District.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/06/eerie-chalkboard-drawings-frozen-in-time-for-100-years-discovered-in-oklahoma-school/?tid=sm_fb
53 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Haunting chalkboard drawings, frozen in time for 100 years, discovered in Oklahoma school (Original Post) rug Jun 2015 OP
To be replaced with whiteboards ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #1
Worth every bit to avoid that awful sound... Oktober Jun 2015 #8
I'm still in mourning over the card catalog in the library going the way of digital... KittyWampus Jun 2015 #22
And all that time learning the Dewey Decimal System BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #38
If you think they're bad NJCher Jun 2015 #36
And the smell of whiteboard markers has always made me ill catrose Jun 2015 #43
Wow! shenmue Jun 2015 #2
Wow! They were really into the Pilgrims. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #3
From the December calendar, it looks like they covered them up in late November. rug Jun 2015 #4
November 29 appears to be a 'red-letter' day - no school on Thanksgiving petronius Jun 2015 #6
I never saw that version of the Pledge of Allegiance before. rug Jun 2015 #7
Yes, that is interesting - I had always 'known' that the God reference was added petronius Jun 2015 #9
Me, too. I've been staring at that for some time now!! Tess49 Jun 2015 #29
The Balch salute TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #13
Geez. rug Jun 2015 #14
Sickening and offensive. DrBulldog Jun 2015 #16
I take your point but the Fascist salute in Oklahoma six years before Mussolini is stunning. rug Jun 2015 #18
That was the Roman salute prior to the Nazis ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #33
1st Reich - the Roman Empire, 2nd Reich - the Holy Roman Empire - 3rd Reich-retch! TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #39
Yes, I totally agree with that. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #42
Thanks for knowing that. The Pledge went thru several iterations. Largely it was about assimilation Hekate Jun 2015 #41
I have a moment about once a year. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #44
It's December. Don't know why the 29th is in red. mountain grammy Jun 2015 #19
Only the top week is December, the bottom four rows are still November petronius Jun 2015 #21
So, my BD did fall on Thanksgiving mountain grammy Jun 2015 #25
Yep - obviously FDR realized that you deserved your own holiday, without that petronius Jun 2015 #26
Yeah, I know, he did that just for me! mountain grammy Jun 2015 #28
I hope these find their way into a museum. marble falls Jun 2015 #5
+1 treestar Jun 2015 #27
Saved that multiplication wheel awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #10
Make sure you let me know when you do. rug Jun 2015 #12
That caught my attention as well. Doesn't seem to have rhyme or reason salin Jun 2015 #15
I think it may be a recitation tool, deliberately set out of order Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #34
That makes sense awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #48
If there is a pattern awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #47
One possible use TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #40
I think you're right... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #49
so interesting. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #11
Amazing the chalk did not simply deteriorate. Very cool. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #17
I'm amazed at the colors of the chalk. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #20
I know, right? They're so vibrant. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #23
Somebody figure out that multiplication wheel please! mountain grammy Jun 2015 #24
Somebody else wondered, too ann--- Jun 2015 #31
Impressive sleuthing! rug Jun 2015 #45
Thanks! ann--- Jun 2015 #50
I think I did. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #35
Those stars look ann--- Jun 2015 #30
The caught my eye TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #46
Cool! LeftishBrit Jun 2015 #32
Fascinating! frogmarch Jun 2015 #37
I'm curious why they were left there. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #51
Maybe the teachers and the workers who hung the new set over petronius Jun 2015 #52
Great pieces of history there! I hope they go to a museum, or in a showcase at the school n/t Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #53

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
1. To be replaced with whiteboards ...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jun 2015
Whiteboards SUCK. The supplies are absurdly more expensive and as un-ecofriendly as you can get.
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
22. I'm still in mourning over the card catalog in the library going the way of digital...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

so much fun going to look for something in the card catalog. I'd always find interesting stuff on the way. Now you just punch in a word for the subject/author etc and it comes straight up.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
38. And all that time learning the Dewey Decimal System
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jun 2015

just.... gone....

Thank goodness for the internet! The kids today have no idea.

NJCher

(35,685 posts)
36. If you think they're bad
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jun 2015

try Smartboards.

You can show things on the internet, though, so maybe it offsets by saving photocopies/trees.

A custodian told me the bulbs cost $1000 each. A lot of teachers just leave them on throughout the class.

I don't know that this is true, though, about the bulbs.



Cher

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. From the December calendar, it looks like they covered them up in late November.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jun 2015

I wonder what lives these children led. What a century.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
6. November 29 appears to be a 'red-letter' day - no school on Thanksgiving
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015

I guess. Maybe they did the work over the holiday weekend (the first row of the calendar is already switched to a December week, in anticipation...)

Fascinating find, I'm glad they're preserving it!

petronius

(26,602 posts)
9. Yes, that is interesting - I had always 'known' that the God reference was added
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015

in the 50's; did not know there were other versions out there.

I'm also still trying to puzzle out their method of teaching arithmetic...

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
13. The Balch salute
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jun 2015
http://historyofthepledge.com/history.html
June 14, 1889 Colonel Balch introduces an American Flag Salute at his NY kindergarten: “We give our heads and our hearts to God and or country; one country, one language, one Flag”

Maybe the one on the black board is a version of that.
 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
16. Sickening and offensive.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

And I still remember the awful day in the 1950s when I was in elementary school, when I had to use the word "God" in the pledge of allegiance for the first time. It made me feel like an alien spouting about a concept I have never believed in.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
33. That was the Roman salute prior to the Nazis ...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jun 2015

That's how Americans recited the pledge like then.

Absolutely haunting now, but given the time, that's how it was done.

Also, it was a Christian Socialist, Francis Bellamy, who came up with the original pledge (in the 1890s, if I recall). The original version did not include the word "God."

Interesting stuff.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
39. 1st Reich - the Roman Empire, 2nd Reich - the Holy Roman Empire - 3rd Reich-retch!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jun 2015

Here's an interesting link to read a bit on the history of the salute and pledge.
http://www.gemworld.com/US-PledgeSaluteSocialism.htm
I take issue that the NAZIs appropriated the Balch salute from the U.S. I really think the Germans wanted to be the reincarnation of the Roman Empire and that this is a bit older than NAZIsm. When I took Latin, many, many years ago (yes it was still a dead language) in my 3rd year we had to learn a new pronunciation. Years 1 and 2 were ecclesiastical Latin (soft like Italian), 3 and 4 were classical. It was explained to us that the Germans insisted they knew how Latin should be pronounced. It was hard with a lot of r rolling and I just thought it was unpleasant.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
42. Yes, I totally agree with that.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't intend to imply that the Nazis appropriated the salute from the United States. It was, as you correctly state, an attempt to rebuild the Third Empire (Third Reich), and as such with the Nazis play on myth and history, adopted the Roman Salute to continue the tradition in a cynical play at national unity.

However, it is not unlike our play at national unity with the pledge, even though it was a socialist who came up with it.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
41. Thanks for knowing that. The Pledge went thru several iterations. Largely it was about assimilation
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

....of great waves of immigrant children a century-plus ago. They needed to learn English and learn how to be American, as it was understood then. This was part of Bellamy's contribution.

People went back and forth about the wording and posture, and yes, the Roman salute had nothing whatsoever to do with Nazism or fascism, but we ended up with our hands over our hearts in the end.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
19. It's December. Don't know why the 29th is in red.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

My birthday is Nov 29th and it can never fall on Thanksgiving. If it falls on a Thursday, it's the fifth Thursday so not Thanksgiving.
This is December.. weird. Wonder what the 29th was.The teacher's birthday?

These are great. I hope they go to a museum.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
21. Only the top week is December, the bottom four rows are still November
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1917&country=1

I'm guessing the teacher only updated the first week, in anticipation of the upcoming school week...

On edit: according to Wiki, Thanksgiving was simply the last Thursday in November prior to 1941. Nice to learn a bit of trivia on a lazy Sunday!

On December 26, 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed a joint resolution of Congress changing the national Thanksgiving Day from the last Thursday in November to the fourth Thursday. Two years earlier, Roosevelt had used a presidential proclamation to try to achieve this change, reasoning that earlier celebration of the holiday would give the country an economic boost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving#Fixing_the_date_of_the_holiday

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
25. So, my BD did fall on Thanksgiving
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jun 2015

before I was born. At some point it was changed to the 4th Thurs of the month.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
28. Yeah, I know, he did that just for me!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jun 2015

6 years before I was born.. Thanks, FDR, and thanks for a whole lot more.

salin

(48,955 posts)
15. That caught my attention as well. Doesn't seem to have rhyme or reason
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

per the pattern of the numbers on the wheel.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
34. I think it may be a recitation tool, deliberately set out of order
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

so that people actually memorized the number pairs instead of just the sequence. Kids might be asked to take turns as the teacher points at each number around the wheel, for example.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
47. If there is a pattern
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

I haven't figured it out. Pattern detection, especially with numbers, is usually one of my strong suits

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
40. One possible use
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe the teacher was using it as a drill on multiplication. She would point at say 6 X and then the 3 and say, "Wake up, Jimmy. What's the answer?"

I never saw one like that but I can imagine it. Teacher's imaginative ways of teaching were not hamstrung but extremely tight methods.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
37. Fascinating!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jun 2015

Remarkable remnants of the real past. I hope they endure now that they’ve been discovered.

On exhibit in a museum in my hometown is an old toilet room door taken from a 1950s store that was torn down. When I was 12, my friends and I, silly creatures that we were, wrote our names and phone numbers on the door, along with the names of the local boys or the movie stars we wanted for our boyfriends. Pencil writing can last a long time. That is why the door is on exhibit. How embarrassing.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
51. I'm curious why they were left there.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:12 AM
Jun 2015

Did something happen that caused them to just get forgotten and left there or what?

petronius

(26,602 posts)
52. Maybe the teachers and the workers who hung the new set over
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jun 2015

these old ones were hoping for this reaction - they thought it would be cool to leave a little time capsule...

Another thing that just struck me is that the chalkboards that were just removed may have been in use for almost a century; kind of boggling to think how many teachers and students used them, for so many lessons.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Haunting chalkboard drawi...