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On p. 158 of the new book by former CIA #2 Michael Morrell, a book titled The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Against Terrorism From Al Qaeda to ISIS. It is in the context of the planning and decision making leading up to the raid on Abbottabad that got Bin Laden. The original raid was planned for the night of April 30, when it would be pitch black in Pakistan. Here is the paragraph in question:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/24/1387344/-An-image-of-Hillary-Clinton-that-might-surprise-you?detail=emailclassic#
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)She will make a tough President.
cali
(114,904 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)of what people think.
Please, stick your head in the toilet instead of my post.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)something far, far worse. In either case, her Iraq vote totally disqualifies her for POTUS.
George II
(67,782 posts)Since this issue has been ducked over and over and over again here, in a nutshell the AUMF authorized the use of military force AFTER a series of events did or didn't take place, most notably Saddam Hussein's compliance with several United Nations resolutions. In fact, those resolutions WERE complied with (which we found out after the invasion) but bush ignored that and willfully implemented the AUMF in violation of the terms of that legislation.
For most who voted for it (at least on the Democratic side) it was expected that the President would comply with that authorization TO THE LETTER, but he didn't.
Bottom line - Senator Hillary Clinton did NOT "vote to invade Iraq".
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Good response.
+1000👍
underpants
(182,826 posts)But clearly Hillary did not have that information when she said that. She does rock.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)...BRAVO for her!
calimary
(81,306 posts)Glad you're here! I'm pleased to see this. I would want a president who thinks like that - issues and crisis response over political expediency. That's the kind of mindset we need. And notice she evidently didn't leak this. Discretion is a good thing, too.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)The idea of the President schmoozing with the press that has utterly dropped the ball in its role as the Fourth Estate, now they are just a mouth-piece of the Executive, playing the role dutifully.
George II
(67,782 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)The OP is about the dinner, and so was my post.
mopinko
(70,120 posts)you should be gleefully agreeing with the fact that hillary said that. it should be a proud moment for you as a democrat and a progressive.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I think the dinner is political, and for that, Hillary Clinton made a good call.
But it is about this ridiculous schmoozing between the President and the Press that's supposed to act as a check that has me bothered. I didn't like it under Bush and I don't like it under Obama.
George II
(67,782 posts)mopinko
(70,120 posts)this is democratic underground. perhaps you took a wrong turn. like, when they were teaching reading comprehension in the 3rd grade.
point seems to have sailed right over you head.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)It seems you need reading comprehension.
The TOS says that DU welcomes all progressives.
So, um, when will you come in for tutoring?
George II
(67,782 posts)....was an important factor in arriving at the date for the raid, then it would have been postponed for a day or two.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)
blue neen
(12,321 posts)Everyone at the dinner is quite well fed.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Obama has never been criticized in the press? Are you kidding?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But in the past 15 years (actually longer), the press has done little questioning besides superficial stuff (birthplace and such). Also, under the propaganda model, some press serves as the opposition within a narrow area to give the illusion that we have a thoughtful and enterprising Fourth Estate. The opposition are the far right-wing nuts that bring up the aforementioned superficial debate (BENGAZI!!!!!!!!), but the debate such as universal healthcare is no where to be found.
Another example is Michelle Bachmann vs. Bernie Sanders. She was absolutely clueless, and with servility, Wolfe Blitzer ended the show with something along the lines of "what a thoughtful debate." No, Leslie, the only one with a thought was Bernie Sanders. The other just turned into a howler monkey.
The only press, in my view, that has done a decent job are your independent outlets.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)take after your screen name.
There's also Seymour Hersh who gets equal measure of love and hate round these parts, depending on whose ox is being gored. Not sure where his political sympathies lie.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)When just a handful of corporations own virtually all news media providers... Houston we have a problem. It is why the news media today engages in non stop sensationalism and exploitation. Profit at the price of dignity and human lives. "If it bleeds it leads" was always a sort of tongue in cheek joke at the media but today it is a mandate.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Because their team is winning, they see nothing wrong with the system.
George II
(67,782 posts)How did it look when Obama' predecessor essentially flew over drowning people in New Orleans to get to a birthday party for McCain? They didn't care!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Hillary is obviously familiar with it and knows it will happen anyway.
You can't let someone cowering in a fetal position in the corner at what Limbaugh might say on his stupid radio show paralyze you.
mopinko
(70,120 posts)when it comes to inside the beltway bullshit.
she tuned it all out a long time ago. she had to to stay sane.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)are spot on. That's very admirable.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)President Obama showed Trump his birth video!
Only a short time later he and several others including Mrs Clinton watched the Seal raid.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)My opinion of Ms. Clinton moved up.
Fair disclosure; I still favor Mr. Sanders. But I got a big satisfied grin reading the outtake.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
KoKo
(84,711 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)BURLINGTON, Vt., May 2, 2011 - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement today on the U.S. operation in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden:
"The death of Osama bin Laden is a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism and his Al Qaeda organization.
"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama. At this moment, we also must not forget the American men and women from Vermont and around the country whose service and sacrifice in the struggle to defend our country has made us safer."
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-statement-on-osama-bin-laden
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
George II
(67,782 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)February 15, 2003 weren't marching against the war either.
Whatevs.
George II
(67,782 posts)....they would realize that she didn't. The information is there, one only has to read it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)steaming pile of shit.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Are you trying to present an argument that Hillary Clinton is too stupid to know what "AUMF" means and what the meaning entails? because she's certainly not.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)By Corbett B. Daly
October 21, 2011 "CBS" - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.
"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.
Clinton was in Tripoli earlier this week for talks with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).
The reporter asked if Qaddafi's death had anything to do with her surprise visit to show support for the Libyan people.
"No," she replied, before rolling her eyes and saying "I'm sure it did" with a chuckle.
VIDEO at the LINK ....although I think most DU'ers have seen it and can't get it out of their mind.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29472.htm
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Who cares what most DU'ers think?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, many of us have a History since 2000 Selection and Before...who know facts and aren't swayed by disinfo about what is important to us Politically.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."
Shout out to fans of Fitzgerald.
George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
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George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Without Saudi And Bush/Cheney support 9/11 would never have happened.
Ergo, Bin Laden would have be irrelevant.
George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Since we knew that Pakistan had him for years.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Got it!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Always A War Hawk
George II
(67,782 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....in Brooklyn, but couldn't find one. Yours it 100 times better
George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)for War Crimes. We knew where he was. We didn't need a Rambo shoot up of him to capture him. And, we are sliding down a slippery slope ourselves with our actions, interventions in MENA, Afghanistan.
The destruction of land resources, homes, businesses, jobs, family and social structure, bombings of infrastructure and Dislocation of Millions of Innocents who are now either living under horrific situations in refugee camps or endangering what's left of their lives and families by trying to escape the terrible circumstances and flooding into neighboring countries is the result of what we and our allies have done. And the results of our actions in Afghanistan will be coming home to roost as their borders are now in danger of being infiltrated by break away militant groups and more destruction and death could be in the cards for them going forward.
What have we and our allies accomplished in the MENA and Afghanistan? We've certainly not brought Democracy & Freedom. Because you can't bring that to people. They need to find the path themselves. And, the Bombings, Death and Destruction ongoing won't be ending in the foreseeable future according to the latest comments from Pentagon.
That's OUR TAX DOLLARS at work. And what voice to we have to stop it? We elected someone to do it in 2008. He didn't.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)for War Crimes...as I said above.
How do you justify what we and our allies have done in MENA?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)... participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Platitudes? You call them platitudes, I call them direct quotes from Bernie Sanders.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)it's what we based our U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights on..and we did it with Nuremburg Trials.
He was a suspected War Criminal...and could have revealed much more Information to U.S. Intelligence than THOSE WE TORTURED IN GITMO!
Tell me WHY he wasn't CAPTURED and BROUGHT TO TRIAL?
U.S. is after Snowden and Assange because they want them to SUBMIT TO U.S. Judicial System. We hammer Russia and Sweden over this...and yet, we Rambo Shot out Osama that was portrayed in Videos with our whole Govt Reps watching...and yet there's no evidence of the Burial? Why couldn't he Stand Trial? We wish for the photos...but he was known to the Pakistani Intelligence and to U.S....and we didn't let our OWN JUSTICE SYSTEM Bring HIM IN!
That's what "RULE OF LAW" means. If we can't even support our own Constitution and Bill of Rights then HOW can we bring "FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY...to the MENA or the Rest of the World?
You never answer my posts? When will you answer what I ask?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)And it ain't what you're going on about.
You never answer my posts? When will you answer what I ask?
Because your posts are irrelevant to the OP.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)... And I'm not complaining you're trying to change the topic - I'm just pointing it out.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I just saw as the thread went on that there was a divergence of opinion wandering off into issues I care much about.
Hey..it's election time ...and I always count on long time Du'ers like you to show up and have discussion with. No Problem there...I would think.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)One I'm not obligated to address.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)when you veered off your original purpose of the post to answer in a "back and forth.".
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Every Republican laughed and pointed fingers, and a big chink of DU did the same.
Calling Obama all sorts of uneducated, uninformed schmuck. This was well before he had privvy to the intelligence that eventually came forward that initiated the Navy Seal raid.
Lets count how many people publically walked that back....oh Yeah, that would be a big fat ZERO.
Pakistan was never an ally. They were turncoats at ever intersection. They were unreliable and denied US access. The Theatre is all about gettin Bin Laden anyway. I don't call that theatre. There was no pretense, they was a real fear that the event may not have worked at all. Then the real fall out would have been disastrous. Pakistan would finally have some meat to justifying their duality...instead they lost "face" throughout the world.
cali
(114,904 posts)It certainly doesn't bother me that they killed him, but he was pretty well neutered by that point.
George II
(67,782 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast man's laws, not God's and if you cut them down and you're just the man to do it d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)"Who knows if hes hiding in some cave or not. We havent heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people dont understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. Hes just a person whos been marginalized. (or well neutered?) I dont know where he is. I really just dont spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It was important to do that....yet, we knew where he was and we didn't. The story behind that would be interesting to read. What wonderful info we could have gotten out of a TRAIL. After all both Snowden and Assange are wanted by USA Govt....to bring them to Trial. SOME People think they will learn something from a Trial of THOSE TWO...Why not Osama?
WHY?
Duval
(4,280 posts)Sanders is the one for me!
treestar
(82,383 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)yeah, Hillary's some tough killer. Vigilante justice is OK with her as long as it's the USofA doing it. OK with lots here too, evidently. I would prefer statespersons who think the rule of law should apply to the US as well as the rest of the world, no matter how big and tough we are.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)For Nu Dems Hate > Law. Something they have in common with despots.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)One reason - among many - I'm not a Democrat
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wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)BURLINGTON, Vt., May 2, 2011 - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement today on the U.S. operation in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden:
"The death of Osama bin Laden is a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism and his Al Qaeda organization.
"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama."
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-statement-on-osama-bin-laden
treestar
(82,383 posts)How many voters see Ghadaffi's demise as "extra-judicial assassination?"
George II
(67,782 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Those who died in "9/11" deserved answers for their Families. It's what our judicial system is supposed to be based on and why we are supposedly bringing "Freedom & Democracy" to those who don't practice Enlightened Government and instead resort to Assassinations and Beheadings.
George II
(67,782 posts)Didn't you see the video of him and his cronies cackling as the WTC collapsed?
Sorry, I don't care.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)the headlines reading OBAMA SENDS LETTER TO BIN LADEN! "Please stop doing terror things. America would really, really appreciate it."
Sincerely
President Obama💖
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You have removed Sanders, O'Malley, Obama and Hillary from any definition of a progressive you can hold. Very strange.
"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama. At this moment, we also must not forget the American men and women from Vermont and around the country whose service and sacrifice in the struggle to defend our country has made us safer." Bernie Sanders
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I thought I was going to read that Clinton was speaking about the dinner in general. I see that my excitement was misplaced. The WHCD is nothing more than a party to allow journalists to congratulate each other on the fantastic job they do (at sensationalizing the news for profit). I recognize that the money generated from the event goes to scholarships and education but I just find the whole event to be a celebration of greed and fame. Most of the news providers in this company are owned by a handful of companies and all the media cares about is increasing revenue. One needs to look no further than the feeding frenzy the media engages in whenever a tragedy occurs. Sloppy reporting doesn't matter so long as ratings increase. Hollywood celebrities are there for no other reason than fame. The whole "event" offends me to be honest.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)From the media coverage, I thought it was all Hollywood.
Of course, the line between "correspondent" and "celebrity" is getting a little blurry now.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)I like it.. mahalo wyldwolf
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Michael Morrell fiction.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I love that some find reason to take issue. They are transparent.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)I don't find Hillary's toughness surprising at all. She's obviously capable of doing the job.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)I don't know what its suppose to show us but why not dig into the real issues and ask her what her position is on the TPP?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)An item like this, if it actually happened, reflects on HRC's character.
I'm not a great Hillary fan, but this would be a "plus one" for her, announcing such priorities.
Yes, I still want her to speak on TPP.