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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:19 PM Jun 2015

"Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner"

On p. 158 of the new book by former CIA #2 Michael Morrell, a book titled The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Against Terrorism From Al Qaeda to ISIS. It is in the context of the planning and decision making leading up to the raid on Abbottabad that got Bin Laden. The original raid was planned for the night of April 30, when it would be pitch black in Pakistan. Here is the paragraph in question:

But there was a problem with the thirtieth. Someone mentioned that Saturday, April 30, was the night of the annual White House Correspondents' Association dinner - where the president was expected to speak. How would it look, they asked, if the president was at a black-tie dinner joking around with a bunch of reporters in the beautiful Hilton Hotel ballroom in Washington, D.C., while a group of Americans were dying on a failed mission in Pakistan? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shot down that concern with a well-placed response. "Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner," she said. "Heaven help us if we ever make an important operational decision like this based on some political event."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/24/1387344/-An-image-of-Hillary-Clinton-that-might-surprise-you?detail=emailclassic#
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"Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner" (Original Post) wyldwolf Jun 2015 OP
She kicks A** Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #1
yep. hillary hawk will lead us into war. vomit. cali Jun 2015 #60
No. She will do what is right without fear Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #68
Like her vote to invade Iraq in 2002? She's either modern history's biggest dupe or KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #88
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #98
But once again, she did NOT "vote to invade Iraq" George II Jun 2015 #110
Drip, drip, drip. Out, damned spot!-nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #119
Haha... quickesst Jun 2015 #103
I had heard of the delay due to moon cover underpants Jun 2015 #2
KNR! JaneyVee Jun 2015 #3
If accurate... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #4
Welcome to DU, 63splitwindow! calimary Jun 2015 #19
Thanks. nt 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #45
Fuck the dinner in general ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #5
What does that have to do with the OP? George II Jun 2015 #7
Everything. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #8
no. the op is about "fuck the white house correspondence dinner" mopinko Jun 2015 #14
I am a progressive, but not a democrat. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #24
Then why don't you start a thread about your disdain for the dinner instead of mucking up this one? George II Jun 2015 #72
well mopinko Jun 2015 #96
Have you read the TOS? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #99
The OP was about the timing of the raid to get bin Laden, NOT about the dinner. If the dinner.... George II Jun 2015 #16
I completely agree. mountain grammy Jun 2015 #9
A "Let them eat cake" moment when viewed from the outside. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #10
I don't really think so. blue neen Jun 2015 #12
How can anyone say they are a mouth piece of the Executive? treestar Jun 2015 #23
I did not say this ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #28
Chomsky, Hedges and Graeber are still doing some useful work. Oh, wait, all 3 of them KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #89
Shrill Whistle and Standing Ovation. tymorial Jun 2015 #81
YEP! It seems few in this thread get it ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #100
I'll vote for a decision maker like that! George II Jun 2015 #6
This is a great example of some Dems cowering in terror that the Right will criticize them.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #11
yup. one thing you can be sure of with hillary- she has no fucks to give mopinko Jun 2015 #13
+1 freshwest Jun 2015 #116
Oh hell yes. Just hell yes. Hekate Jun 2015 #15
I have forgotten; did Obama attend the dinner after all or not? I think Hillary's priorities YOHABLO Jun 2015 #17
Obama was the main speaker and was great, he mocked the republican birthers. Sunlei Jun 2015 #25
Our two top contenders definitely rock. Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #18
HRC - A War Hawk - To The Bitter End cantbeserious Jun 2015 #20
.....! KoKo Jun 2015 #26
Release: Statement on Osama bin Laden by Senator Bernie Sanders wyldwolf Jun 2015 #33
Bernie Voted Against War In Iraq - How About HRC cantbeserious Jun 2015 #35
I had a burger for lunch. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #36
So Typical - Some Supporters Of HRC - Never Want To Face The Facts cantbeserious Jun 2015 #37
D'you know that the human head weighs 8 pounds? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #38
Misdirection - A Logical Debating Fallacy cantbeserious Jun 2015 #39
that would be post #35 wyldwolf Jun 2015 #40
Hardly - My Post Was On Point And On Target - HRC Is A War Hawk - Face It Squarely cantbeserious Jun 2015 #42
Did you know that Troy Aikman, in only six years, passed for 16,303 yards? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #43
Ever More Misdirection cantbeserious Jun 2015 #44
that would be post #35 wyldwolf Jun 2015 #52
Ever More Misdirection - Feeling A Little Circular This Evneing? cantbeserious Jun 2015 #56
that would be post #35 wyldwolf Jun 2015 #59
Ever, Ever, Ever More Misdirection cantbeserious Jun 2015 #61
you mean like post #35? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #63
That she is. 840high Jun 2015 #97
Sorry, I think it's the other way around. George II Jun 2015 #53
It is the other way around. Agree. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #67
READ the AUMF.....she didn't "vote for war"! George II Jun 2015 #48
Yeah Right - Not That Old Meme Again - She Sure As Hell Supported The War cantbeserious Jun 2015 #51
READ the AUMF.....she didn't "vote for war"! That's not a "meme" George II Jun 2015 #54
LOL. Jee-bus. The 20 million of us worldwide who marched on KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #90
If only all those who still whine about Clinton "voting for war" would do a little bit of research.. George II Jun 2015 #92
Righteo. I can sprinkle pretty little sprinkles on a turd and it will still be a KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #94
AUMF = Authorization of Use of Military Force Scootaloo Jun 2015 #104
When or If Benie Ever Says This...I will rethink my Support: KoKo Jun 2015 #41
"although I think most DU'ers have seen it and can't get it out of their mind." wyldwolf Jun 2015 #50
Well...I think we DU'ers have sharp instincts..... KoKo Jun 2015 #65
So? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #78
"They were careless people, Bill and Hillary -- KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #91
We shouldn't have gotten bin Laden? George II Jun 2015 #46
We Should Not Have Allowed The Saudis To Support Bin Laden To Begin With cantbeserious Jun 2015 #47
We shouldn't have gotten bin Laden? George II Jun 2015 #49
Bin Laden Should Never Have Allowed To Persist Due To Saudi Support cantbeserious Jun 2015 #55
I'll try it a different way - at the time it happened, we shouldn't have gotten bin Laden? George II Jun 2015 #57
According To Hirsch - The Hunt For Bin Laden Was All Political Theater cantbeserious Jun 2015 #58
Who? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #62
Please Try To Keep Up - Seymour Hersh - The Journalist cantbeserious Jun 2015 #66
OH, you said 'Hirsch,' and you mean that widely discredited report. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #70
Discredited By Those With A Reputation To Maintain - Like HRC - Once A War Hawk cantbeserious Jun 2015 #73
No, discredited by those who believe in the truth and reality George II Jun 2015 #76
And believed by the infowars crowd. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #82
Oh, HERSH, not Hirsch. He's a Journalist now? George II Jun 2015 #75
I thought he meant this guy... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #83
THAT is hysterical! I was looking for a link to a soda company from back in my early days.... George II Jun 2015 #86
So you're saying we shouldn't have gotten bin Laden (I don't give a F* what HERSH thinks or says) George II Jun 2015 #64
No Need To "Get" Bin Laden - He Was In Custody Of The Pakistanis cantbeserious Jun 2015 #69
along with space aliens and Elvis wyldwolf Jun 2015 #77
We should have captured him & brought him to Trial KoKo Jun 2015 #111
The death of Osama bin Laden was a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism wyldwolf Jun 2015 #112
It was historic in that we had him and didn't capture & bring to trial KoKo Jun 2015 #115
I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #118
But....You never Countered My Post...you gave me Platitudes........ KoKo Jun 2015 #120
You mean I didn't follow you as you diverted from the topic? No, I didn't wyldwolf Jun 2015 #121
The Topic is the RULE OF LAW..Osama should have been Captured, Tried for War Crimes KoKo Jun 2015 #122
I started the thread. I decided the topic. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #123
Your whole thread went "Off Topic" yet you didn't complain before? n/t KoKo Jun 2015 #124
I'm not complaining now. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #125
lol's .....so you are changing opinion? KoKo Jun 2015 #126
No, I share Sander's opinion on Bin Laden... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #130
Nah...you know very well I didn't start the distraction from your OP KoKo Jun 2015 #131
But you started *A* distraction wyldwolf Jun 2015 #132
No...but it caused you effort for many replies...?When, in Fact,I did Reply to You KoKo Jun 2015 #133
It also kept the post kicked to the top of the page wyldwolf Jun 2015 #137
I remember a 2008 campaign speech, Obama indicating that BinLaden was is Pakistan Sheepshank Jun 2015 #109
I didn't particularly give a shit. cali Jun 2015 #71
Because of that raid, he was more than neutered AND we got a shitload of intelligence out of it. George II Jun 2015 #74
Fan of the extra-judicial execution, are you? You would do well to re-read KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #93
Excellent "Food for Thought" here ...well worth the read... KoKo Jun 2015 #129
Sounds ... familiar... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #79
It bothered ME that he wasn't Captured and Brought to Trial.... KoKo Jun 2015 #127
Love her response! But Duval Jun 2015 #21
Hillary uses the F bomb? treestar Jun 2015 #22
Last I knew "Progressive" didn't include extra-judicial assassination as a policy bread_and_roses Jun 2015 #27
But 'Democrat' does wyldwolf Jun 2015 #29
You'll be shouted down cuz "Bin Laden!" whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #30
Nods - Yep bread_and_roses Jun 2015 #31
Alert results (resounding thud warning): Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #108
Release: Statement on Osama bin Laden by Senator Bernie Sanders wyldwolf Jun 2015 #32
Probably true of most voters though treestar Jun 2015 #34
What is your definition of "extra-judicial assassination"? George II Jun 2015 #87
FFS. Your purposeful obtuseness is quite unbecoming. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #95
He was, in effect, "Taken Out" without a Lawyer for Defense or a Trial for War Crimes.... KoKo Jun 2015 #134
The plan was to capture him, until he pulled a gun. We're now sticking up for a mass murderer? George II Jun 2015 #136
I can just see it now.... quickesst Jun 2015 #106
"Killing a kindly old man in pajamas", right? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #107
You must have one hell of a definition of a progressive. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #117
I got really excited for a second. tymorial Jun 2015 #80
Do journalists and correspondents attend the event? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #114
You aren't alone! n/t KoKo Jun 2015 #135
"Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner," she said. "Heaven help us if we ever make an Cha Jun 2015 #84
hahahaha KMOD Jun 2015 #85
Thanks for the op. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #101
Something like the dinner was the perfect distraction. Vinca Jun 2015 #102
Digging up stuff like this I suppose is really important? INdemo Jun 2015 #105
This is important, in addition to the importance of TPP position. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #113
Good Point! Why? n/t KoKo Jun 2015 #128

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
68. No. She will do what is right without fear
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

of what people think.

Please, stick your head in the toilet instead of my post.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
88. Like her vote to invade Iraq in 2002? She's either modern history's biggest dupe or
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

something far, far worse. In either case, her Iraq vote totally disqualifies her for POTUS.

George II

(67,782 posts)
110. But once again, she did NOT "vote to invade Iraq"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jun 2015

Since this issue has been ducked over and over and over again here, in a nutshell the AUMF authorized the use of military force AFTER a series of events did or didn't take place, most notably Saddam Hussein's compliance with several United Nations resolutions. In fact, those resolutions WERE complied with (which we found out after the invasion) but bush ignored that and willfully implemented the AUMF in violation of the terms of that legislation.

For most who voted for it (at least on the Democratic side) it was expected that the President would comply with that authorization TO THE LETTER, but he didn't.

Bottom line - Senator Hillary Clinton did NOT "vote to invade Iraq".

underpants

(182,826 posts)
2. I had heard of the delay due to moon cover
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

But clearly Hillary did not have that information when she said that. She does rock.

calimary

(81,306 posts)
19. Welcome to DU, 63splitwindow!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jun 2015

Glad you're here! I'm pleased to see this. I would want a president who thinks like that - issues and crisis response over political expediency. That's the kind of mindset we need. And notice she evidently didn't leak this. Discretion is a good thing, too.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
5. Fuck the dinner in general ...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jun 2015

The idea of the President schmoozing with the press that has utterly dropped the ball in its role as the Fourth Estate, now they are just a mouth-piece of the Executive, playing the role dutifully.

mopinko

(70,120 posts)
14. no. the op is about "fuck the white house correspondence dinner"
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jun 2015

you should be gleefully agreeing with the fact that hillary said that. it should be a proud moment for you as a democrat and a progressive.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
24. I am a progressive, but not a democrat.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

I think the dinner is political, and for that, Hillary Clinton made a good call.

But it is about this ridiculous schmoozing between the President and the Press that's supposed to act as a check that has me bothered. I didn't like it under Bush and I don't like it under Obama.

mopinko

(70,120 posts)
96. well
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jun 2015

this is democratic underground. perhaps you took a wrong turn. like, when they were teaching reading comprehension in the 3rd grade.
point seems to have sailed right over you head.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
99. Have you read the TOS?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jun 2015

It seems you need reading comprehension.

The TOS says that DU welcomes all progressives.

So, um, when will you come in for tutoring?

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. The OP was about the timing of the raid to get bin Laden, NOT about the dinner. If the dinner....
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jun 2015

....was an important factor in arriving at the date for the raid, then it would have been postponed for a day or two.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. How can anyone say they are a mouth piece of the Executive?
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

Obama has never been criticized in the press? Are you kidding?

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
28. I did not say this ...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jun 2015

But in the past 15 years (actually longer), the press has done little questioning besides superficial stuff (birthplace and such). Also, under the propaganda model, some press serves as the opposition within a narrow area to give the illusion that we have a thoughtful and enterprising Fourth Estate. The opposition are the far right-wing nuts that bring up the aforementioned superficial debate (BENGAZI!!!!!!!!), but the debate such as universal healthcare is no where to be found.

Another example is Michelle Bachmann vs. Bernie Sanders. She was absolutely clueless, and with servility, Wolfe Blitzer ended the show with something along the lines of "what a thoughtful debate." No, Leslie, the only one with a thought was Bernie Sanders. The other just turned into a howler monkey.

The only press, in my view, that has done a decent job are your independent outlets.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
89. Chomsky, Hedges and Graeber are still doing some useful work. Oh, wait, all 3 of them
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jun 2015

take after your screen name.

There's also Seymour Hersh who gets equal measure of love and hate round these parts, depending on whose ox is being gored. Not sure where his political sympathies lie.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
81. Shrill Whistle and Standing Ovation.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

When just a handful of corporations own virtually all news media providers... Houston we have a problem. It is why the news media today engages in non stop sensationalism and exploitation. Profit at the price of dignity and human lives. "If it bleeds it leads" was always a sort of tongue in cheek joke at the media but today it is a mandate.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
100. YEP! It seems few in this thread get it ...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:52 AM
Jun 2015

Because their team is winning, they see nothing wrong with the system.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. I'll vote for a decision maker like that!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jun 2015

How did it look when Obama' predecessor essentially flew over drowning people in New Orleans to get to a birthday party for McCain? They didn't care!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. This is a great example of some Dems cowering in terror that the Right will criticize them....
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary is obviously familiar with it and knows it will happen anyway.

You can't let someone cowering in a fetal position in the corner at what Limbaugh might say on his stupid radio show paralyze you.

mopinko

(70,120 posts)
13. yup. one thing you can be sure of with hillary- she has no fucks to give
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jun 2015

when it comes to inside the beltway bullshit.
she tuned it all out a long time ago. she had to to stay sane.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
17. I have forgotten; did Obama attend the dinner after all or not? I think Hillary's priorities
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:38 PM
Jun 2015

are spot on. That's very admirable.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. Obama was the main speaker and was great, he mocked the republican birthers.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

President Obama showed Trump his birth video!

Only a short time later he and several others including Mrs Clinton watched the Seal raid.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
18. Our two top contenders definitely rock.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jun 2015

My opinion of Ms. Clinton moved up.
Fair disclosure; I still favor Mr. Sanders. But I got a big satisfied grin reading the outtake.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
33. Release: Statement on Osama bin Laden by Senator Bernie Sanders
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jun 2015

BURLINGTON, Vt., May 2, 2011 - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement today on the U.S. operation in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden:

"The death of Osama bin Laden is a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism and his Al Qaeda organization.

"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama. At this moment, we also must not forget the American men and women from Vermont and around the country whose service and sacrifice in the struggle to defend our country has made us safer."

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-statement-on-osama-bin-laden

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
90. LOL. Jee-bus. The 20 million of us worldwide who marched on
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015

February 15, 2003 weren't marching against the war either.

Whatevs.

George II

(67,782 posts)
92. If only all those who still whine about Clinton "voting for war" would do a little bit of research..
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jun 2015

....they would realize that she didn't. The information is there, one only has to read it.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
94. Righteo. I can sprinkle pretty little sprinkles on a turd and it will still be a
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jun 2015

steaming pile of shit.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
104. AUMF = Authorization of Use of Military Force
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jun 2015

Are you trying to present an argument that Hillary Clinton is too stupid to know what "AUMF" means and what the meaning entails? because she's certainly not.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
41. When or If Benie Ever Says This...I will rethink my Support:
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015
Clinton on Qaddafi: "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

By Corbett B. Daly

October 21, 2011 "CBS" - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.

Clinton was in Tripoli earlier this week for talks with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).

The reporter asked if Qaddafi's death had anything to do with her surprise visit to show support for the Libyan people.

"No," she replied, before rolling her eyes and saying "I'm sure it did" with a chuckle.

VIDEO at the LINK ....although I think most DU'ers have seen it and can't get it out of their mind.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29472.htm



wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
50. "although I think most DU'ers have seen it and can't get it out of their mind."
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jun 2015

Who cares what most DU'ers think?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
65. Well...I think we DU'ers have sharp instincts.....
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015

And, many of us have a History since 2000 Selection and Before...who know facts and aren't swayed by disinfo about what is important to us Politically.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
91. "They were careless people, Bill and Hillary --
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jun 2015

they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."

Shout out to fans of Fitzgerald.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
55. Bin Laden Should Never Have Allowed To Persist Due To Saudi Support
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jun 2015

Without Saudi And Bush/Cheney support 9/11 would never have happened.

Ergo, Bin Laden would have be irrelevant.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
58. According To Hirsch - The Hunt For Bin Laden Was All Political Theater
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

Since we knew that Pakistan had him for years.

George II

(67,782 posts)
86. THAT is hysterical! I was looking for a link to a soda company from back in my early days....
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:11 PM
Jun 2015

....in Brooklyn, but couldn't find one. Yours it 100 times better

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
111. We should have captured him & brought him to Trial
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

for War Crimes. We knew where he was. We didn't need a Rambo shoot up of him to capture him. And, we are sliding down a slippery slope ourselves with our actions, interventions in MENA, Afghanistan.

The destruction of land resources, homes, businesses, jobs, family and social structure, bombings of infrastructure and Dislocation of Millions of Innocents who are now either living under horrific situations in refugee camps or endangering what's left of their lives and families by trying to escape the terrible circumstances and flooding into neighboring countries is the result of what we and our allies have done. And the results of our actions in Afghanistan will be coming home to roost as their borders are now in danger of being infiltrated by break away militant groups and more destruction and death could be in the cards for them going forward.

What have we and our allies accomplished in the MENA and Afghanistan? We've certainly not brought Democracy & Freedom. Because you can't bring that to people. They need to find the path themselves. And, the Bombings, Death and Destruction ongoing won't be ending in the foreseeable future according to the latest comments from Pentagon.

That's OUR TAX DOLLARS at work. And what voice to we have to stop it? We elected someone to do it in 2008. He didn't.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
115. It was historic in that we had him and didn't capture & bring to trial
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jun 2015

for War Crimes...as I said above.

How do you justify what we and our allies have done in MENA?

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
118. I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

... participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
121. You mean I didn't follow you as you diverted from the topic? No, I didn't
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

Platitudes? You call them platitudes, I call them direct quotes from Bernie Sanders.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
122. The Topic is the RULE OF LAW..Osama should have been Captured, Tried for War Crimes
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jun 2015

it's what we based our U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights on..and we did it with Nuremburg Trials.

He was a suspected War Criminal...and could have revealed much more Information to U.S. Intelligence than THOSE WE TORTURED IN GITMO!

Tell me WHY he wasn't CAPTURED and BROUGHT TO TRIAL?

U.S. is after Snowden and Assange because they want them to SUBMIT TO U.S. Judicial System. We hammer Russia and Sweden over this...and yet, we Rambo Shot out Osama that was portrayed in Videos with our whole Govt Reps watching...and yet there's no evidence of the Burial? Why couldn't he Stand Trial? We wish for the photos...but he was known to the Pakistani Intelligence and to U.S....and we didn't let our OWN JUSTICE SYSTEM Bring HIM IN!

That's what "RULE OF LAW" means. If we can't even support our own Constitution and Bill of Rights then HOW can we bring "FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY...to the MENA or the Rest of the World?

You never answer my posts? When will you answer what I ask?

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
123. I started the thread. I decided the topic.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

And it ain't what you're going on about.

You never answer my posts? When will you answer what I ask?

Because your posts are irrelevant to the OP.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
130. No, I share Sander's opinion on Bin Laden...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

... And I'm not complaining you're trying to change the topic - I'm just pointing it out.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
131. Nah...you know very well I didn't start the distraction from your OP
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jun 2015

I just saw as the thread went on that there was a divergence of opinion wandering off into issues I care much about.

Hey..it's election time ...and I always count on long time Du'ers like you to show up and have discussion with. No Problem there...I would think.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
133. No...but it caused you effort for many replies...?When, in Fact,I did Reply to You
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jun 2015

when you veered off your original purpose of the post to answer in a "back and forth.".

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
109. I remember a 2008 campaign speech, Obama indicating that BinLaden was is Pakistan
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jun 2015

Every Republican laughed and pointed fingers, and a big chink of DU did the same.

Calling Obama all sorts of uneducated, uninformed schmuck. This was well before he had privvy to the intelligence that eventually came forward that initiated the Navy Seal raid.

Lets count how many people publically walked that back....oh Yeah, that would be a big fat ZERO.

Pakistan was never an ally. They were turncoats at ever intersection. They were unreliable and denied US access. The Theatre is all about gettin Bin Laden anyway. I don't call that theatre. There was no pretense, they was a real fear that the event may not have worked at all. Then the real fall out would have been disastrous. Pakistan would finally have some meat to justifying their duality...instead they lost "face" throughout the world.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
71. I didn't particularly give a shit.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

It certainly doesn't bother me that they killed him, but he was pretty well neutered by that point.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
93. Fan of the extra-judicial execution, are you? You would do well to re-read
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jun 2015
A Man For all Seasons:

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
79. Sounds ... familiar...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jun 2015

"Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. (or well neutered?) … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
127. It bothered ME that he wasn't Captured and Brought to Trial....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

It was important to do that....yet, we knew where he was and we didn't. The story behind that would be interesting to read. What wonderful info we could have gotten out of a TRAIL. After all both Snowden and Assange are wanted by USA Govt....to bring them to Trial. SOME People think they will learn something from a Trial of THOSE TWO...Why not Osama?

WHY?

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
27. Last I knew "Progressive" didn't include extra-judicial assassination as a policy
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jun 2015

yeah, Hillary's some tough killer. Vigilante justice is OK with her as long as it's the USofA doing it. OK with lots here too, evidently. I would prefer statespersons who think the rule of law should apply to the US as well as the rest of the world, no matter how big and tough we are.

 

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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
32. Release: Statement on Osama bin Laden by Senator Bernie Sanders
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

BURLINGTON, Vt., May 2, 2011 - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement today on the U.S. operation in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden:

"The death of Osama bin Laden is a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism and his Al Qaeda organization.

"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama."

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-statement-on-osama-bin-laden

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Probably true of most voters though
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jun 2015

How many voters see Ghadaffi's demise as "extra-judicial assassination?"

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
134. He was, in effect, "Taken Out" without a Lawyer for Defense or a Trial for War Crimes....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jun 2015

Those who died in "9/11" deserved answers for their Families. It's what our judicial system is supposed to be based on and why we are supposedly bringing "Freedom & Democracy" to those who don't practice Enlightened Government and instead resort to Assassinations and Beheadings.

George II

(67,782 posts)
136. The plan was to capture him, until he pulled a gun. We're now sticking up for a mass murderer?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

Didn't you see the video of him and his cronies cackling as the WTC collapsed?

Sorry, I don't care.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
106. I can just see it now....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jun 2015

the headlines reading OBAMA SENDS LETTER TO BIN LADEN! "Please stop doing terror things. America would really, really appreciate it."
Sincerely
President Obama💖

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
117. You must have one hell of a definition of a progressive.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

You have removed Sanders, O'Malley, Obama and Hillary from any definition of a progressive you can hold. Very strange.

"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama. At this moment, we also must not forget the American men and women from Vermont and around the country whose service and sacrifice in the struggle to defend our country has made us safer." Bernie Sanders

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
80. I got really excited for a second.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jun 2015

I thought I was going to read that Clinton was speaking about the dinner in general. I see that my excitement was misplaced. The WHCD is nothing more than a party to allow journalists to congratulate each other on the fantastic job they do (at sensationalizing the news for profit). I recognize that the money generated from the event goes to scholarships and education but I just find the whole event to be a celebration of greed and fame. Most of the news providers in this company are owned by a handful of companies and all the media cares about is increasing revenue. One needs to look no further than the feeding frenzy the media engages in whenever a tragedy occurs. Sloppy reporting doesn't matter so long as ratings increase. Hollywood celebrities are there for no other reason than fame. The whole "event" offends me to be honest.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
114. Do journalists and correspondents attend the event?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

From the media coverage, I thought it was all Hollywood.

Of course, the line between "correspondent" and "celebrity" is getting a little blurry now.

Cha

(297,290 posts)
84. "Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner," she said. "Heaven help us if we ever make an
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015
important operational decision like this based on some political event."

I like it.. mahalo wyldwolf

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
102. Something like the dinner was the perfect distraction.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jun 2015

I don't find Hillary's toughness surprising at all. She's obviously capable of doing the job.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
105. Digging up stuff like this I suppose is really important?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jun 2015

I don't know what its suppose to show us but why not dig into the real issues and ask her what her position is on the TPP?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
113. This is important, in addition to the importance of TPP position.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

An item like this, if it actually happened, reflects on HRC's character.

I'm not a great Hillary fan, but this would be a "plus one" for her, announcing such priorities.

Yes, I still want her to speak on TPP.

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