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If you have a lawyer draft a carefully worded apology, is it really an apology? (Original Post) bluestateguy Jun 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #1
No. Now you "discuss." Hekate Jun 2015 #2
Thread winner. n/t. bvf Jun 2015 #11
No. A true apology comes from the heart. Not your lawyer. n/t Coventina Jun 2015 #3
Yes. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #8
I'll have to refer that question to my lawyer Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #4
Isn't that called a Press Release? n/t moondust Jun 2015 #5
"I have been advised by my Attorney that the answer to that question is yes". n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2015 #6
So long as the apology says 'sorry' and admits error -- yes. MADem Jun 2015 #7
It would depend on if the intent is sincere or not imo. nt. Rex Jun 2015 #9
If you are likely to be sued for what you said or did, attorney is the way to go. Or if you plan to Shrike47 Jun 2015 #10
You seriously think Senator Sanders would sue? MADem Jun 2015 #12
I believe the question was in relation to the Texas cop jberryhill Jun 2015 #14
I thought it was in response to the NPR interview and apology. MADem Jun 2015 #16
I wasn't aware that Diane Rehm's lawyer read a written apology... jberryhill Jun 2015 #17
Draft is not a synonym for read. MADem Jun 2015 #18
A lawyer represents you treestar Jun 2015 #13
The public apology ritual is pointless jberryhill Jun 2015 #15
When you're likely facing significant civil liability, an apology is a very dumb thing to do. Calista241 Jun 2015 #19
He is building his defense with this statement. So he achieves two objectives: CTyankee Jun 2015 #21
This TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #25
Depends if you and your family have been threatened TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #20
oh noes! has the officer been threatened? frylock Jun 2015 #24
I'm sorry you don't accept my professionally crafted apology. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #22
Legally, yes. Morally, no. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #23
You title does not address the person's intent. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #26
Perhaps. Depends on your intention. elleng Jun 2015 #27
It sounds to me more like damage control than a sincere apology meow2u3 Jun 2015 #28
What it may lack in sincerity, it makes up with good spelling and grammar. leveymg Jun 2015 #29

Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. So long as the apology says 'sorry' and admits error -- yes.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jun 2015

The alternative approach can be found in this illustrative video:

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I don't think that method is terribly useful.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
10. If you are likely to be sued for what you said or did, attorney is the way to go. Or if you plan to
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jun 2015

sue when you get fired for doing/saying what you did or said.

It's not a real apology, but then, why should you have to apologize for what you did or said? Too damned much political correctness! (this part is sarcasm)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. You seriously think Senator Sanders would sue?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:30 AM
Jun 2015

As for apologizing after getting it wrong, that didn't help Dan Rather...and he, at least, had his facts right, but his evidence wrong. Ms. Rhem doesn't seem to have even facts on her side, and she likely has a contract that allows the bosses to show her the door if she becomes a liability.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. I believe the question was in relation to the Texas cop
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015

Unless Sen. Sanders was also at the pool party then, no, I don't think he would sue that cop.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. I thought it was in response to the NPR interview and apology.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jun 2015

That cop assaulted a teenager. He isn't going to apologize his way out of criminal charges. That interviewer didn't push Sanders' head into the grass and sit on him...!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. I wasn't aware that Diane Rehm's lawyer read a written apology...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jun 2015


But, as noted below, I don't know why people issue public apologies in the first place.

Apologies are never accepted.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Draft is not a synonym for read.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jun 2015

My sense was that the poster may have been suggesting that Rehm had a lawyer write that thing she published. OP is vague... maybe that was a device to stimulate discussion...?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. A lawyer represents you
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jun 2015

So they can speak and advocate for you. You are entitled to legal advice. This is a free country. It basically functions under the rule of law. Maybe there are problems, but generally the rule of law prevails. If you thought you could get into trouble over how you apologize, why should you not get to ask a lawyer what would you say to avoid that?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. The public apology ritual is pointless
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jun 2015

No one has ever issued a public apology for anything that was considered "sufficient" anyway.

Who gives a shit whether someone who wronged a bunch of people somewhere apologizes for it in the media to them, you, or anyone else?

There is no conceivable combination of words, whether spoken by this guy, his lawyer, or anyone else, that is going to make anyone who has determined that the cop is a scumbag say, "Oh, okay, that's fine then."

So what's the point, really?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
19. When you're likely facing significant civil liability, an apology is a very dumb thing to do.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jun 2015

It may sound fake, and not carry the weight I would want an apology to take. But if your future depends on it...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. He is building his defense with this statement. So he achieves two objectives:
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jun 2015

"apologizing" and explaining the mitigating circumstances that it happened.

I don't know why the McKinney PD didn't understand that something could very well go wrong by sending him out and not having him sidelined for a bit and offered psychological counseling...or requring it...

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
25. This
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jun 2015

I think they requested his resignation in record time because they know that the department might be liable sending an emotionally stressed officer out on a call.

How often does one respond to someone who just shot himself in front of his kids? I can't imagine dealing with that.

He very obviously couldn't deal with the subsequent call at the pool.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,362 posts)
22. I'm sorry you don't accept my professionally crafted apology.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jun 2015

This faux apology is from JustABozoOnThisBus, not DU, Skinner, nor from Robb or any other alleged dingbats.

In the case that this non-apology apology is insufficient, a brief period of face-palming will be offered in lieu of actual rehab, thus resetting all counters for hides.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. You title does not address the person's intent.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jun 2015

A real apology requires that a person feels some sense of remorse over the action and want forgiveness.

A carefully worded apology by a lawyer does not address the person's intent.

meow2u3

(24,768 posts)
28. It sounds to me more like damage control than a sincere apology
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

A carefully worded letter of apology by one's lawyer sounds to me like three things: damage control; an admission of guilt; and a non-apolology apology for being caught doing something one shouldn't be doing.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
29. What it may lack in sincerity, it makes up with good spelling and grammar.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jun 2015

"First we kill all the lawyers" and then the proper spellers.

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