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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHint: Saying you’re “not racist” all too frequently means you ARE a racist.
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For example, let us take the case of Karen Fitzgibbons, an elementary school teacher who posted the following on Facebook:
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Im going to just go ahead and say it the blacks are the ones causing the problems and this racial tension. I guess thats what happens when you flunk out of school and have no education. Im sure their parents are just as guilty for not knowing what their kids were doing; or knew it and didnt care. Im almost to the point of wanting them all segregated on one side of town so they can hurt each other and leave the innocent people alone. Maybe the 50s and 60s were really on to something. Now, let the bashing of my true and honest opinion begin .GO! #imnotracist #imsickofthemcausingtrouble #itwasatagedcommunity,
Saying #imnotracist after such a screed is, well, lets just say itll wash a lot of hogs. Anyone who feels it necessary to avow their alleged non-racism needs a new mirror, or maybe new eyeballs.
Or maybe, just the ability to not lie to themselves.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Boo! Stink!
riqster
(13,986 posts)I'm thinking we have enough hogwash to start a Hogwash-O-Mat!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)BOO!!!!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)after deleting their post. The Hogwash-O-Mat is really training these folks with their 'clever' denials.
It's like if I posted 'I hate cats! All cats should be killed! Stupid damn cats are the cause of all the problems in the world! Cats suck! The only way to make the world better is to eliminate all the cats!'
Then, a couple days later.
'My post was not directed at any particular animal.'
riqster
(13,986 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)for people who call everything racist. It's an obsession with some people.
riqster
(13,986 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)not sure why it isn't but maybe phil will eventually reply to someone who asks him to clarify.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)bravenak
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JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)I find it interesting that he feels it's better to shut up someone up that he agrees with - a person who actually cares about the topic blocked from the thread - than just leave the thread.
It's not a topic he cares about and is probably upset that we are picking on this bigoted ass wipe and not letting some woman defend her stupid dumb fuck comments.
Why can't he just reach out to her on Facebook and give her a virtual hug?
Donate to her Go Fund Me or something?
Or - trash the thread?
Or put LS on ignore?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And I'm sure that the fact the his alerts do not typically work out just fuels his anger. He's probably used to getting his way when it comes to those of darker complextions and cannot adjust to this new America of color. Women having power, talking back, laughing at him... I hope he manages to adjust, cause we ain't doing it his way. Poor thang.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)and that's all I've got to say about that!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)She's got issues.
Maybe he's got tissues.
phil89
(1,043 posts)i never said anything about segregation. I know you're up in your feelings but try to be rational. My stalkers are really upset that I disagree with them about some of these events. That's how life is. People disagree. Hope you learn to accept this.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You said he pointed the gun at the cop; the video says the cop shot him almost instantly after he left his vehicle. I wonder what your agenda is here.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)Yikes!
And he told a lie about a dead child?
In his world - its not. It's how he sees things.
Now I see he stole "all up in your feelings" from young black teens. That who I learned it from - my niece.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He cannot help himself. Its like me watching world star hip hop videos. I hate doing it, but once I start watching, I'm sucked into the vortex.
He's lying on Tamir in another thread, saying he pointed his gun at the cop, and was shot for that. I feel bad for him. Miserable person, I'm sure.
This one makes me miss my old boyfriend AJ90.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)The knee jerk reaction every time something blatantly racist is brought to someone's attention. Any reasonable person can see it's clearly racist. But this poster is always the one to jump in and say 'oh and then of course there's always these people obsessed with race'. It's like watching a train wreck.
I get the feeling this guy could watch the shooting of a defenseless unarmed person and claim the victim was to blame for getting in the way of the bullets.
Actually now that I think about it that's pretty much was he's said on a few occasions.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I heard one of my son's friend use the term "Rachet" when talking about someone they knew and I had to ask what it meant.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)I'm like - isn't that something you use to hack with?
I'm still trying to grasp "Thot" - like why isn't she over here?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)He said, "Oh, I never thought about that, Mrs B." Never did explain to me how they get "rachet" out of "ghetto". Best I can figure, it's slang for "wretched". My son just told me what a "Thot" is. For example: "look at that thot over there" means look at that hot girl.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)T Ho O There - seriously. That's how they mean girl.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Oh man, he's gonna get a guilt trip for this one. I should have asked his pals.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)trying to make you feel better!
Reminds me of the time my 'innocent' father came to visit me at University on the fly with my not so 'innocent' mother -
And he complemented the beauuuuuuuuuuutifuuuuuuuuuuul vases in my room!
And then she pinches and twists my upper arm - because my mom knows her way around a bong!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #42)
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sad you feel the need to do this. Life can be empty for some, but we need to fill our lives up with more positive endeavors, yes? Lying is not acceptable. I corrected you earlier, and you did not provide any evidence of the CHILD pointing a gun at the COPS. They shot him too fast for him to be able to point a gun at them. Less that two seconds from arrival to shooting. You are lying and You have an agenda, I suspect. Very sad. Grown man lying on a dead child. I'd suggest you be ashamed, but It would be a waste.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)were also plenty of people standing around in close proximity to Rice when the cops approached him. Just like it said in the police report.
Who are we people going to believe, our lying eyes and the surveillance footage that proves the police report was bullshit or the cops who'd just shot a twelve year old holding a fake gun that they couldn't tell was fake up close even though the civilian who called 911 was able to discern that the gun was "probably a toy" from a considerable distance.
riqster
(13,986 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)something. The surveillance video does not show that so let's see your proof. It is possible you have something we don't, so here's your chance.
"Stop with the goofy accusations of lying please" says the one who called me a liar. huh.
brush
(53,815 posts)Something 99% of male children have done in their childhood probably even you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)He was being disruptive and got a hide.
Now he said the same thing on this thread.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)There is no good reason for him to give out false information. People keep repeating lies and they spread all over the place. I'm glad the jury saw through that. It is very offensive.
stage left
(2,965 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Glad to see a jury did not buy the bullshit either.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Why would you think I am stalking you? You make some serious accusations here.
Out of the many DUers I reply to a day, you think you are that special? Nope.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)are seeking that result.
Disagree?
Oh lord...now you made me laugh
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)It does come across kind of silly doesn't it?
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uppityperson
(115,678 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)This is bananas!
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)stage left
(2,965 posts)No. Come to think of it, I'm not.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)I was confused - maybe I wasn't being "rational". there's nothing opinion TOS about being a snotty - but that seems to be a go to snotty word around here lately.
brush
(53,815 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)the stuff mentioned in the original post in the thread. It's racist. And it calls for segregation. Any reasonable person would interpret it that way. Maybe you were a bit up in your feelings to see it clearly.
Baitball Blogger
(46,753 posts)to be quiet about it anymore. This is a dialogue that is only building momentum.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Since you defended him, and continue to do so, perhaps you might like to comment on the chief of police's statement.
Waiting on you phil
phil89
(1,043 posts)to distance himself from casebolt. Are you really not able to understand that? As evidenced by accusations hurled at me, if you even question whether casebolt was justified, you're an automatic racist. No thought required. Only emotion. Off topic, but casebolt instructed the kid to leave over 8 times. She argued and struggled as he tried to secure the scene. He was right in that instance.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)She walked nearly off camera then suddenly he ran after her, dragged her back and threw her down. Why, if she was leaving as he said, and she was, did he run over there and drag her back?
I am not sure if you even watched the video. And the chief of police lied? Wow.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Response to phil89 (Reply #40)
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brush
(53,815 posts)She was mouthing off. She said in the interviewed that what she said to "robocop" as she was leaving with the group of other kids was that she needed to get her bag with her phone in it so she could call her mother.
And I watched the video many times and he never told her to leave 8 times as you claim.
He was just an out-of-control cop who body-slammed and manhandled a teenage girl in a bikini that he outweighed by 100 pounds.
And was proud of it added it to his YouTube collection of cop videos until all the protests started coming in, then he took it down.
Wonder if he's still proud of it now that his chief call his actions "indefensible" and that he was "out of control."
His career is now in shambles. Bet he'll thing twice about putting his hands on another teen girl.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Since you been caught expressing several untruths here (see how I didn't call you a liar?). How do you feel about the screen name MrPantsOnFire? I think it suits you. Clever huh?
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)His ridiculous ass didn't even try to assess the situation. He just saw a bunch of dark children and assumed they are the problem. why weren't any of those maggots looking or speaking to adults??? that twisted Blart Mall Cop has the sense of a gnat. and that's disrespecting the gnat. You see what you want to see. And when being detained or questioned by police a child can request a parent. And personally had it been my daughter he would of had to shoot. Because I would have kicked that POS like an alley football. And it would have been another story h a B---ch slapped my child. she would have given up the ghost.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"people who call everything racist"
No doubt, that particular mythical creature you reference is a sacred cow to the obsessed and irrational who pretend its existence to better validate their own personal biases. Often exemplified by making the allegation yet cower behind implication if asked to show objective evidence.
No doubt, you'll provide objective evidence.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)AND that the white woman who shouted "go back to Section 8 housing" was totally out of line to call the police.
And the cop has admitted he was wrong to do what he did.
Why bother defending this when the guy who did it isn't defending it?
Does it really scare you that much to see innocent black teenagers peacefully celebrating their graduation from high school?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)#ialsohateherhashtaggingbutthatsanothermatter
riqster
(13,986 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)I just burned that cross in the black family's yard so they would know their place!
Some people are stupid, some people are ignorant, and some people are so fucked in the head, it's amazing they can figure out how to breathe on their own. For this lady, I'm going with the last option.
riqster
(13,986 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or from Virginia's Elk River... the results are the same.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Still on bottled water.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)".....It's that I don't like black people." --Jerri Blank, Strangers with Candy
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)Are we supposed to overlook her obvious racist remarks and validate her for being "true and honest" about her racism?
What? Her feelings are real and therefore to be respected?
Fuck her.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Pity the kids she has taught.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)What the fuck is it supposed to mean? "I'm not a racist but those people"
#ButIhaveblackfriendssoIcan'tpossiblyberacistsostopsayingthat
riqster
(13,986 posts)Igel
(35,337 posts)Only the guilty need to defend themselves. If you're not racist, it's evident and you'd never be accused. First, we require samo-kritika--self-criticism, a confession of wrong-doing and public self-humiliation. It had to meet certain requirements to be acceptable, even as those requirements changed. Of course, samo-kritika with minor punishment as the terms of official forgiveness was fine for the early CPSU. Later it was a requirement to avoid extreme sanction, forgiveness wasn't on the table. (And yet later, it was a requirement to just protect your family and friends from guilt by association, your fate was known to be decided as soon as you were accused.)
This was, of course, deemed "justice." Sometimes the accusations were fake, incomplete, self-serving in a narrow or broader way (class hatred and sometimes ethnic hatred were rampant, but accusations were part of the power-structure). But this was "justice," under some useful definition at the moment.
Simply put, we have the accusation that suits us from an approved source. We have the denial from the pre-judged. What more evidence do we need? Punish him and anybody that doesn't treat him like a leper.
Well, evidence, in the first place. But the same effect works with evidence: if it's from an approved source and meets our needs, then it's assumed to be true, accurate, complete, and completely damning. We're in a hurry, damn it, and justice delayed by even 5 minutes is justice long denied.
But justice rushed is also justice buried. Given the accusation and alleged evidence, a reasoned examination of it is needed instead of a knee-jerk reaction. This person does something wrong, and it's a societal and cultural problem, he can't be held responsible--and perhaps the evidence is taken out of context, is flawed, etc., etc., we must feel empathy. And as a last resort in sufficiently rarefied strata we point to judgment across group-boundaries. We demand that cultural traits among American sub-groups be taken into account when evaluating some groups--there's a huge sociological and educational literature on the topic. But when we evaluate evidence, it's an individual pathology that must be treated like ebola. When we evaluate evidence across those same boundaries ... wait, such boundaries don't exist.
I'll save the M-word for later. It's early in the day and my inner curmudgeon may demand dinner, or even supper. Some days I hold not just my species or genus in contempt, but my whole damned order for the traits we share. This is turning out to be one of those days.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Thanks.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)BTW, a quick google site search using "white male" +racist only returns over 16,000 hits.
It's been that way since I came here in 2005.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You don't have it nearly as bad as the rest of us do!
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)You've been mad at that poster for that long?
She/He doesn't care - let it go.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:09 AM - Edit history (1)
FOREVER. And I mean... FOREVER.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Even posts from eight years ago that aren't even directed at them personally. I mean, holy fuck.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And sometimes, even posts from 8 years ago (or damn close) that they've spent the last 8 years trying to pretend were one thing when every damn person on this board could see that they are nothing of the sort.
And they're still howling about it years later. Would be funny if it wasn't so freaking pathetic.
randys1
(16,286 posts)egotistical, invasive, extremist, imperialistic, sub-race of Homo Sapien that has ever come down the pipe and American white males get bonus points on all fronts. Why can't we look into that mirror collectively as a country and move forward?
as a white male I agree with this statement, i can see why some white males would have trouble with it, though
riqster
(13,986 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's about white people as a group historically. Not you.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Why? Native Americans refer to 'the white man'. You know what they are talking about, I presume. It's not the same as an individual one on one meeting or discussion, where we tend to be much more understanding and acknowledge the subtle inherent values and behavior of each person and tend to welcome them with open arms no matter their superficial differences. I hope you can accept the difference between those two things without being too resentful. Because otherwise, to me at least, it just kind of looks like a white male mistakenly crying about being called racist, for which I have no fucks to give. I say this as a while male.
romanic
(2,841 posts)No jk.
My two cents in all this; if you're not "racist" then you don't need to announce it. If someone accuses you of being racist, just shrug it off and say "whatever' and move on. Denying your a racist to someone who thinks you're racist will just make that person think you're a bigger racist. Confusing I know but were not dealing with rational people.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)just heard that one yesterday - used to deflect what's shaping up as an underlying civic policy of racism.
That is a racist speaking.
I'm sure she'd deny it to high heaven.
I blocked her racist blather after that comment.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)This person probably easily outs herself as a bigot everywhere she goes though.
"Racism used as a cover" - lol.
Johonny
(20,872 posts)no other single friend needs to tell me they are not a racist... guess which one is racist.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)"This may sound racist but....."
And, not surprisingly, whatever comes out DOES sound racist.
Funny how that works.
When the racist clown is fired by the school district, she will naturally blame black people, or political correctness, for her joblessness.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)If she wants to think that - fine by me.
However - I wish she'd go back to her planet - because Dumbfuckistan misses her.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Note: This joke by Borat. Not meant insult people of Dumfuckistan nor Kazakstan. Is parody. I loves you all Dumfucks. Is very nice place!
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)He's up there with Chappelle at making fun of things we aren't supposed to make fun of!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)at the most foolish behaviors.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)As in the phrase "I am not _______, but"
riqster
(13,986 posts)"I support equality, but..." = "I don't support equality."
"I love you but..." = "I don't love you."
And so on.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)I get the idea lately that a lot of people think racism is only about OTHER people.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)What also bothers me is that over the last year or two there seems to be a contingent of people calling just about everyone else a racist by default.
I was looking at my posts from 2001 on and I was about the most obnoxious anti-bigot out there. It isn't hard to find those posts either on Google. But now I seem to be relegated to an older white guy who is tone deaf blah blah blah...
It is frustrating but fortunately I am not on DU nearly as much anymore. Whew.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Not every person is a a racist, of course. But far too many people have a habit of saying racist words or acting in a racist manner, accompanied by those indicative words, "I'm not a racist".
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)You're too dumb and too big-mouthed to realize what you're doing, and that's a good thing for the rest of us. Keep it up...please.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)They just can't help themselves.
What's also funny is the ones who act like 'Well, I can't say what I want to say because of political correctness.' We pretty much know what they want to say.
I welcome them to go ahead and say it. I mean, let us know what you're really thinking. It won't come as some great surprise to any of us. Please proceed, because free speech.