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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:02 PM Jun 2015

The relative silence regarding the decision to send troops back into Iraq . . .

. . . and to build more bases there, is positively stunning. From today's New York Times:

[font size=5]U.S. Weighing More Military Bases in Iraq to Fight ISIS, Top General Says[/font]

NAPLES, Italy — The United States is considering establishing a new network of American military bases in Iraq to aid in the fight against the Islamic State, senior military and administration officials said Thursday, potentially deepening American involvement in the country amid setbacks for Iraqi forces on the battlefield.

Speaking to reporters aboard his plane during a trip to Italy, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, described a possible future campaign entailing the establishment of what he called “lily pads” — American military bases around the country from which trainers would work with Iraqi security forces and local tribesmen in the fight against the Islamic State.

General Dempsey’s framework was confirmed by senior Obama administration officials, and comes after an earlier decision this week to send 450 trainers to establish a new military base to help Iraqi forces retake the city of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar Province. The general said that base could be the model for a new network of American training bases in other parts of the country.

“You could see one in the corridor from Baghdad to Tikrit to Kirkuk to Mosul,” General Dempsey said. Such sites, he said, could require troops in addition to the 3,550 that the president has authorized so far in the latest Iraq campaign, although he said later some of the troops at the new bases could come from forces already in Iraq.

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The relative silence regarding the decision to send troops back into Iraq . . . (Original Post) markpkessinger Jun 2015 OP
It makes me too sick Faux pas Jun 2015 #1
Is ISIS a threat to the world? To our allies? To us? Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #2
No. WDIM Jun 2015 #6
So I gather your definition of 'pragmatism' includes the belief . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #11
Let the Iranians take care of ISIS. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #3
Let's send the most rabid NRA members underthematrix Jun 2015 #4
yep... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #7
The Neo-Cons never ending war continues. WDIM Jun 2015 #5
You summed it up well. bvar22 Jun 2015 #8
I've noticed that. Why are DUers and anti-war activists silent? riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #9
Absolutely! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2015 #10
Insanity locks Jun 2015 #12
If post #2 above is any indication . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #13
Bring back Saddam Hussien! RobertEarl Jun 2015 #14
Saddam left the petrodollar in 2000 Fumesucker Jun 2015 #15
Save the petrodollar? RobertEarl Jun 2015 #17
If Hillary becomes POTUS, expect more and more of this. Bonobo Jun 2015 #16
Ahhh...."Lily Pads." KoKo Jun 2015 #18
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
2. Is ISIS a threat to the world? To our allies? To us?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

If so, most people are pragmatic enough to realize that something must be done.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
6. No.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

They are a threat to the people of that region, but the people of that region need to stand up and fight for themselves.

America is not the world police or the world enforcer. US involvement only makes matters worse, kills more civilians, and creates more enemies. Until all the people of this world demand peace we will never have it.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
11. So I gather your definition of 'pragmatism' includes the belief . . .
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jun 2015

. . . contrary to the recent historical witness, that U.S. military presence will somehow magically be effective in stabilizing the region this time around, in a way that it was unable to be effective for 12 straight years?

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
7. yep...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jun 2015

the lard-ass windbags sitting behind their keyboards bloviating about sending America's youth off to be maimed and killed fighting in a Muslim civil war.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
5. The Neo-Cons never ending war continues.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

Why would they want to stop ISIL if arm manufactures, bomb makers, tank builders, and all the other war mongers are making billions in profits?

Obama is just giving them exactly what they want. Another Neo-con with liberal/progressive lipservice.

No Iraqi ever attacked an American until we illegally invaded their country.

Now they are trying to pull us back in with a war that is being fully financed and produced by the military industrial complex with only one goal in mind keep the war profiteers rich.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. I've noticed that. Why are DUers and anti-war activists silent?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jun 2015

This as wrong as when Bush went into Iraq. We need to be out of there and stay out.

locks

(2,012 posts)
12. Insanity
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jun 2015

is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. War and insanity are the same thing.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
13. If post #2 above is any indication . . .
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jun 2015

. . . then "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" is some folks' definition of 'pragmatism!'

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Bring back Saddam Hussien!
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

Hardly cost us anything and he kept the religious nuts under control and Iraq was a thriving country. Tell me again why he was taken out?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. Save the petrodollar?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jun 2015

I never heard any of our truth-bearing politicians claim that.

I do remember Clinton's SoS claiming the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth the price, tho. That was their truth then but known to be a big ass lie today. Are you saying they are lying to us about Iraq, again?

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
16. If Hillary becomes POTUS, expect more and more of this.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jun 2015

It IS what you will be voting for.

All Hillary supporters should take heed.

You WILL be voting for more military intervention.

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