The Bernie and Hillary supporters had better stop alienating one another, cuz if Jeb is elected

[nolabear]

we are well and truly fucked.

[bigdarryl]

1. Yep

[AtomicKitten]

2. Too late. Ask Luis Gutierrez why.

[nolabear]

6. Why bother anything, then? Why believe we can accomplish anything?

I refuse to go there.

[CherokeeDem]

3. Frightening thought...

Regardless of the Democratic outcome, we need to band together... or fucked it is.

[villager]

4. You forgot to put "elected" in its proper quotes

Since the actual choice of the voters matters nada to our betters...

[nolabear]

5. Any attitude that your vote doesn't count helps them.

I don't care what was, is, or will be attempted. We cannot roll over.

[villager]

14. Any attitude that they don't try to steal elections helps them.

Agreed that we cannot roll over. We also cannot walk around blindfolded.

[spanone]

7. it'll all go away after the primaries. seen it before.

[nolabear]

8. I seldom get the creeps when listening to a candidate but the Bushes creep me the hell out.

The disingenuousness of making DC "elite" anyone other than his family, the pandering to the religious right by calling out Hillary, the abandonment of our education system under the guise of improving it...I just...

[spanone]

12. remember, he's running against cruz, rubio, huckabee and all the nuts in his party, not just dems

[R B Garr]

9. Jeb just said the presidency should not be passed around from one liberal

to another. The irony is so thick.

[madokie]

10. DU is but a very small number of voters

[nolabear]

16. Yes, but I didn't limit it to us.

It's certainly out in the world. I'm all for disagreement and debate but smart and tricky manipulators can discourage people from keeping eyes on the prize.

[madokie]

23. I had to jump and run and now that I'm back I don't remember what my train of thought was

sorry about that. I meant to not hit post because I wasn't finished with what I was going to say and didn't realize I had. Had to go get meds for a bad case of bronckitis at the VA and they were closing at 4:30 and we're 30 miles away. mybad

I agree with what you're saying here.

[cali]

11. It's just primary season on DU, Jake

Actually, your post makes little sense. What happens on DU doesn't translate to the real world. Even if Bernie and Hillary supporters infuriate one another to the point where a handful of DUers won't vote for Hillary if shes the nominee or Bernie if he is, it's so inconsequential to the outcome of the election as to be laughable. And I certainly hope that the vast majority of DUers aren't so stupid that they'll refuse to vote because of what some other DUers said. I have faith that that is not the case.

[nolabear]

19. I agree but I didn't limit it to DUers.

And I stand by my heebie-jeebies about Jeb. The best thing I got out of that speech was a profound lack of anything but ideology and nodding to the screaming right.

[cali]

20. agree about Jeb- and all but there is no evidence that I've seen that

what's going on on DU is going on in the real world. And even on DU, most will vote for the nominee.

[Johonny]

27. I agree. It is actually friendlier here than Obama/Hillary

and Obama won without a problem. DUers claimed for 4 years Liberals wouldn't back him for reelection and they did. The day to day anger here at DU doesn't translate to the real world. If it did W would have been charged for war crimes

[brer cat]

31. Have you changed your mind

and decided that you will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee? I really thought you were most emphatic that you would not, but then maybe I was mistaken.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025075831

[ellisonz]

32. I certainly hope so. n/t

[HereSince1628]

13. At this point there's no sense feeding that anxiety...

We're a long way from the first caucuses and primaries, and we're even further away from what will be a unifying convention that will be weeks before the election.

If there is hostility coming out of the convention...by all means get worried.

[KamaAina]

15. You used "Jeb" and "fucked" in the same sentence.

In Polish, "Jeb!" means "Fuck!"!

[brooklynite]

17. Except for one big point: the squabbling here is meaningless

It doesn't influence the actions of voters in the real world. It doesn't influence the actions of volunteers getting those voters in the real world.

[bigwillq]

18. Meh.

I don't think squabbles on a message board will decide the 2016 election, or any election for that matter.

[Man from Pickens]

21. Jeb will not be elected

he has no support in his own party

[Maedhros]

22. The vitriol of Hillary supporters is irrelevant.

I will not vote for Hillary, and it has nothing to do with anything her supporters might say.

[Cha]

52. "The vitriol of Hillary supporters is irrelevant." HA! Yeah, right.. no "vitriol" from Bernie's camp

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[99Forever]

24. Enough with the scare tactics.

They are childish and self defeating.

If my opinion on issues and how the candidates address them "alienates" somebody, that's their problem to solve.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Of course I like those who support the candidate I support to seek to persuade every last voter

to support our candidate. Politics that revels in alienating voters isn't politics, it's just personal acting out using political lingo. The entire point of electoral politics is to attract voters, not to alienate them.

[nolabear]

33. Funny, I didn't think of it as scare tactics. I had just heard Jeb

and was appalled at the mashup of lies and innuendo and denial, so that comment about being fucked was a response to how stunning that speech was.

[R B Garr]

42. Exactly, I had just heard him, too, and had the same reaction.

I find it interesting that anyone would imply talking about Jeb after he just announced would be frowned upon. Hmm.

[99Forever]

45. Oh FFS.

Who do you think you're fooling?

[R B Garr]

46. Hmm, nothing in the OP had anything to do with fear mongering.

So you're the one who should be answering your own question as to why you're so outraged over Jeb's announcement being critiqued here. So who do you think you're fooling?

[99Forever]

48. No sale.

[R B Garr]

49. Uh huh.

[99Forever]

50. You are aware that your recs are visible to other members, right?

Speaks volumes about people's agendas.

I see you.

[R B Garr]

54. Oh, dear. I've been rec'ing threads that are pro Jeb??

You are the one with the agenda, as this thread was about Jeb Bush and also about not attacking others, which you obviously missed both points.

Bye! I see you, too.

[jimlup]

25. Indeed

That Jeb wasn't laughed off the stage is truly embassing to this country

[nolabear]

34. True dat. I will be fascinated to see what happens in that race.

To hear Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney trying to paint Hillary as a rich elite was damn near worth the indigestion.

[wyldwolf]

26. this is just a ritual on DU every 4 or 8 years

Most of us are sane enough to vote for the nominee regardless of who it is...

[NCTraveler]

28. I will happily vote for either.

Don't forget O'Malley. I will smile voting for any of the three.

[L0oniX]

29. No problem. Just have Hillary drop out from the race.

[nolabear]

35. *snerk.*

Well, you're honest about it. LOL!

[davidn3600]

36. Will you Hillary supporters STOP with the fear mongering!

Why do you Hillary people want her to be just given the nomination?

We are going to have a primary whether you like it or not!

[nolabear]

37. Well THAT was an interesting read on the post.

And absolutely, utterly, completely erroneous.

[yardwork]

39. But it proves your point hilariously well.

[nolabear]

41. Ohhhhhhh...

It's been a long week. And it's Monday.

[William769]

44. Ground Hog Day (the move) comes to mind.

[yardwork]

38. That is my position as well.

[hrmjustin]

43. DU is becoming less fun.

We need to remember that the real enemies are the Republicans Not DUers.

We are good people that disagree about candidates.

[DanTex]

47. Yes. Either Hillary or Bernie would be great. Jeb would be horrible.

[Scootaloo]

51. jeb is not part of the democratic primary

[AuntPatsy]

53. They scare me these days,

[Kalidurga]

55. Jeb isn't going to be that hard for any Democrat to defeat.

I think we could nominate a ham sandwich at this point. People are starting to see how ugly Republicans really are.

[Herman4747]

56. This is a MOST DANGEROUS attitude to take.

I guess some Bernie supporters think that it's so very easy to beat Republicans, even a Socialist from a tiny New England state can do it. But I do remind you that Republicans have captured enough votes to get them a strong majority in the House, and a majority in the Senate, as well as the governorships of both major toss-up states, Florida and Ohio.
There are Democrats and Republicans to be sure, and there are also a SUBSTANTIAL amount of Independents. Do you truly think that the Independents will flock to a Socialist?
As for me, I do not want a repeat of 1988 or 2004. A Democrat as President can't do much good (especially with Republicans controlling Congress), but a Republican can SURELY DO A HELL OF A LOT OF DAMAGE.

[Kalidurga]

57. A socialist will beat all the Republicans

Independents like Bernie too. He will be unstoppable if everyone who wants him to win canvases for him during the primary season. We are going to #Occupy the Vote

[Gloria]

59. Not after the GOP starts calling him a SOCIALIST with all the most

negative connotations available.

Sanders can explain that he is more like a European socialist...but that won't go very far, either, since
the Republicans hate anything beyond U.S. borders...and with the European Union having a messy time of it,
his explanation is something that will be torn to shreds. The editing of his comments also will be used to best advantage.

[Kalidurga]

60. We are going to embrace the lable

No worries.

[Gloria]

58. That's what I've been trying to say

but...it seems the nastiness always surfaces.

If we lose to a Jeb I will be forever pissed and looking for ways to get the hell out of this country.

People actually mock the worry over the Supreme Court....this is FOOLISH and naive and is what really riles me...

The media is already playing up the split....great,,,not!