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Enough with the fucking guns everywhere. IT'S NOT FUCKING WORKING. (Original Post) elehhhhna Jun 2015 OP
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #1
I agree with that madokie Jun 2015 #2
There is no experiment, there is a 2nd amendment which CLEARLY requires ALL randys1 Jun 2015 #3
since we no longer have militias we no longer have a 2a "right" Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #7
The Democratic Party would disagree with you on that. hack89 Jun 2015 #10
Allow me karadax Jun 2015 #21
How about enough of a culture that promotes violence WDIM Jun 2015 #4
Exactly but it isn't just here Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #22
Nobel peace prize winner can drone anyone anywhere. Progress? elehhhhna Jun 2015 #24
We live in the most peaceful era in human history Taitertots Jun 2015 #5
Wow! Dawgs Jun 2015 #6
yeah, screw the innocent dead church people. elehhhhna Jun 2015 #8
Both inaccurate and precious salt for the victim's wounds. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #13
"Both inaccurate and precious salt for the victim's wounds..." EX500rider Jun 2015 #19
Thank God they didn't have automatic and "semi-automatic" weapons back then. villager Jun 2015 #26
K&R. lunamagica Jun 2015 #9
So repeal the 2A hack89 Jun 2015 #11
Even a majority of dem congress people will not support this! Nt Logical Jun 2015 #29
it's working moneywise! that's why we keep creating ISISes and that's why Wasserman-Schultz is still MisterP Jun 2015 #12
With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 LanternWaste Jun 2015 #14
Yet the rest of the world is a much more violent place. WDIM Jun 2015 #28
FWIW, guns are not allowed in SC churches with or without a permit. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #15
. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #16
Sorry - 3D printers say otherwise. You'r just going to have to accept it. TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2015 #17
Hence, the violence is working? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #18
A gun violence apologist!? *Attempt to change the subject!?* villager Jun 2015 #27
People who fetishize Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #20
haven't you heard? GUN HUMPERS WON Skittles Jun 2015 #23
Incoherent rants in all caps certainly didn't do your side any good. hack89 Jun 2015 #25

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. There is no experiment, there is a 2nd amendment which CLEARLY requires ALL
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jun 2015

guns to be regulated within militias, which could easily mean locked up in central locations where militia groups operate.

Thus since NOBODY will have a gun outside of a war, there are NO gun deaths, or very few.

Take years to get there, but we can do it.

 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
7. since we no longer have militias we no longer have a 2a "right"
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jun 2015

it's only a scotus given right and if we change scotus we can change this non-existent "right"

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. The Democratic Party would disagree with you on that.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

have you ever read the party platform on guns?

karadax

(284 posts)
21. Allow me
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jun 2015
Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.


As of 2012.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
4. How about enough of a culture that promotes violence
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jun 2015

As a means to an end.

I mean look at our own Government. Got a problem some where in the world bomb them.

How can we have a populous that knows murder is wrong when our government does it daily?

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
22. Exactly but it isn't just here
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jun 2015

In so many places worldwide people are suffering because of intolerance and violence. We need to evolve.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. Both inaccurate and precious salt for the victim's wounds.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jun 2015

Both inaccurate and precious salt for the victim's wounds.

How about we let's call off your bumper-sticker allegations...

EX500rider

(10,877 posts)
19. "Both inaccurate and precious salt for the victim's wounds..."
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

Certainly not inaccurate.

New data presented at the conference by a Dutch scholar, Pieter Spierenburg, showed that the homicide rate in Amsterdam, for example, dropped from 47 per 100,000 people in the mid-15th century to 1 to 1.5 per 100,000 in the early 19th century.
Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340's showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people. Studies of London in the first half of the 14th century determined a homicide rate of 36 to 52 per 100,000 people per year.


http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
26. Thank God they didn't have automatic and "semi-automatic" weapons back then.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jun 2015

Imagine how much worse it would have been.

Of course, once the NRA gets time traveled figure out, I'm sure they'll work on it. *Everyone deserves a big-ass gun to kill with! No matter when they were alive!"

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. So repeal the 2A
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

after which you can repeal the state constitutions that support a right to keep and bear arms. Your path ahead is hard but clear.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
12. it's working moneywise! that's why we keep creating ISISes and that's why Wasserman-Schultz is still
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015

chair (after all, if we punished failure we might succeed--and then what'd we do with ourselves?!)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, and some half-witted, sub-literate, under-educated idiot is going to rationalize this in such a way as to tell us we're safer due to this...

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
28. Yet the rest of the world is a much more violent place.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

Iraq, Syria, Isreal, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Ukraine, Nigeria, chad, somalia, Darfur, Pakistan, Mexico, Libya, Sudan, and the list can go on.

And in most all these countries the citizens cannot own guns. They are just defenseless to the mad men waging wars in these countries.

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
15. FWIW, guns are not allowed in SC churches with or without a permit.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015


http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/open-and-concealed-gun-carry-laws-south-carolina.htm

Situations or Circumstances Where Carrying a Gun is Illegal

The following rules govern when you may not carry a gun in South Carolina.

Unless you are in your house, place of business, or on your own property, you may not carry a firearm without a concealed carry permit. (S.C. Code Ann.§ 16-23-20.)
You may not carry a firearm (openly or concealed) on another person’s property if that person has prohibited it. (S.C. Code Ann.§ 23-31-220.)
You may not carry a firearm in a jail, prison, or detention facility. (S.C. Code Ann.§ 24-13-440.)
You may not carry a firearm on school premises (including day care and preschool facilities), in law enforcement offices or facilities, in court facilities, at polling places on election days, in churches or other religious sanctuaries,or in hospitals or medical facilities. (S.C. Code Ann.§ 23-31-215.)


http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c031.php

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
17. Sorry - 3D printers say otherwise. You'r just going to have to accept it.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jun 2015

If anyone can push a button and make one, you might as well be trying to regulate how much air people get.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. Hence, the violence is working?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

Hence, the violence is working (which is the direct corollary to the OP's premise-- unless you're simply attempting to change the subject)?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
20. People who fetishize
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jun 2015

about guns, who hoard them, who are obsessed by them, IMO, are the LAST people who should be allowed to have them.

I swear this is a new phenomenon. I grew up around hunters, they never hoarded guns. Yes, they may have had different guns for different game but they didn't obsess about them. They stored them properly, UNLOADED, away from the reach of children.

Today, thanks largely in part to the NRA (the faithful servant of the MIC) and people too stupid to be trusted with sharp objects, much less a firearm are squarely to blame here. No, not everyone should have a gun. How many examples do we need?

Edited from: "they never hoarded buns" to "they never hoarded guns." Don't you just love a good typo? LOL!

Skittles

(153,212 posts)
23. haven't you heard? GUN HUMPERS WON
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

their fear and paranoia trumps all, and we have to just DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES

the Home of the Brave caters to the whims of COWARDS

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. Incoherent rants in all caps certainly didn't do your side any good.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jun 2015

I understand you have an internet persona to maintain but have you ever considered rational, polite conversation as a method to persuade people that disagree with you?

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