Why we must call Dylann Roof a terrorist

[niyad]

Why we must call Dylann Roof a terrorist

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Dylann Roof, pictured here with patches from racist South African apartheid regimes


What is terrorism if it is not peaceful people worshipping their God who are shot and killed by a gunman they openly allowed into their church? Dylann Roof, who is now the primary suspect in the Charleston, South Carolina, massacre of nine women and men in the historic Emmanuel AME Church is a terrorist. Call it domestic terrorism if you must, but this man is a terrorist and what he did, pure and simple, was terrorism.

He knowingly and willfully targeted a church full of African American men and women not because he knew them—all indications are that he didn't, but because he wanted to send a message and strike terror into people. This is not a guess. Read this description from someone who was there. He left a witness living so she could tell everyone what happened.

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Don't call this a tragedy. A mudslide or an earthquake is tragic. An accidental house fire is tragic. Those things don't cause people 11 states over to have genuine fear. If a house burns down in Iowa, homeowners in Florida aren't scared shitless the next day. If a mudslide happens in Santa Barbara, homeowners in Montana aren't worried to death it will happen to them next.

This is terrorism. Don't call this the act of a madman. It is an insult to those battling mental illness and it is also a degree of deference you never saw given to men like Osama Bin Laden. This was a well-planned, well-conceived attack. The murderer didn't stumble upon this church in some type of manic accident. It was strategic.

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Of course not. This is terrorism. Calling it anything less is an insult to the victims of this massacre.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394297/-Why-we-must-call-Dylann-Roof-a-terrorist?detail=email

[AuntPatsy]

1. Kicking

[niyad]

2. thank you.

[napkinz]

3. ...

[niyad]

4. thank you for those!

[napkinz]

5. thank you for this thread

[mnhtnbb]

6. Now on MSNBC having a conversation about this with discussion of Boston

Marathon bombing similarity--targeted terrorism--to come, so they promise.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. Gun owners are terrorists.

Guns serve two purposes

Death and threat of death. Both are acts of terrorism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=151636

This person is a terrorist who carried out an act of terrorism against innocents.

[Flatulo]

20. One hundred and twenty million terrorists? Sure.

[PowerToThePeople]

25. And how many people vote fascist?

120 million terrorists may be accurate. Guns are weapons of terror. If you own a gun and have ever thought about using it on another person, you are a terrorist.

[Flatulo]

26. If someone uses a firearm to defend their own life

from someone who is trying to kill them, that's perfectly moral by any value system I can think of. It's also perfectly legal under every justice system ever implemented by any civilized culture. The concept of defense of self was recognized in the Magna Carte, for Petes sake.

If your own life isn't worth defending, that's fine with me, but you don't have the moral or legal authority to make that call for others.

Frankly, your comment is ridiculous.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. Gee. A blue linky to one of your own posts. Where have I seen that before?

[daredtowork]

8. Anyone who hesitates for a moment to call Roof a terrorist

needs to meditate on what that hesitation is about.

Hopefully they aren't in a position of moral authority, re: a teacher, a minister, or a political representative. And if they are a parent, they might want to talk through the meaning of their hesitation with their children.

[niyad]

9. most excellent points.

[RoccoR5955]

10. Damn right he's a terrorist! n/t

[TDale313]

11. It's important to call this what it was. Terrorism.

Thanks for posting this.

[Beausoir]

12. This pedantic labeling detracts from the issue.

Why get caught up in silly semantics? Of COURSE this is a tragedy. Just ask the loved ones who are left to mourn the dead.

Sandy Hook was a tragedy. Aurora was a tragedy. And on and on and on.....14 times since Obama took office. No wonder he's pissed. And it will never end.

[daleanime]

15. So think about it, you're using words....

to try and tell us that words don't matter.

[bettyellen]

17. "Pedantic labeling" is how our very history is recorded -and it matters greatly.....

[Behind the Aegis]

23. It isn't pedantic, nor does it detract from the issue, if anything, it explains it.

Murder isn't "just" murder, there are varying types, usually based on the motive. Terrorism means a violent act meant to terrorize. While it certainly can be over-used or misused, in this case, and given the murder's own words, this was meant as a "message" to a specific group (hate crime) and the actions served to create terror in that group, African-Americans. It is a tragedy, but it is also a hate crime and an act of terrorism.

[niyad]

27. are you blaming obama for this?

[niyad]

29. which of the 14 are missing from this list?

— Killeen, Texas, October 16, 1991: A man shoots dead 23 people in a restaurant and then kills himself.

— Jonesboro, Arkansas, March 28, 1998: Two boys aged 11 and 13 kill four students and a teacher after pulling a fire alarm and opening fire from nearby woods when people streamed out of their school. Ten other children were hurt.

— Littleton, Colorado, April 20, 1999: Two teenaged boys shoot and kill 12 fellow classmates and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing themselves.

— Atlanta, Georgia, July 29, 1999: A stock market trader goes on a day-long shooting rampage, killing 12 people, including his wife and two children, before taking his own life.

View gallery– Red Lake, Minnesota, March 21, 2005: A teenaged boy kills two people at his grandfather’s home on an Indian reservation and then goes to his local high school where he kills seven others before committing suicide.

— Blacksburg, Virginia, April 16, 2007: A student goes on a rampage at Virginia Tech University, killing 32 people before committing suicide.

— Covina, California, December 24, 2008: A man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opens fire at a family party and then sets fire to the house. Nine people are killed. The gunman commits suicide.

— Binghamton, New York, April 3, 2009. A gunman shoots dead 13 people at a civic center for immigrants.

— Fort Hood, Texas, November 5, 2009. US army psychiatrist Major Nidal Hasan opens fire at his military base, killing 13 people and wounding 42, before being overcome by police.

View gallery– Oikos, California, April 2, 2012: A male nursing student methodically kills seven people at a Christian university.

— Aurora, Colorado, July 20, 2012: A man kills 12 people when he opens fire at a movie theater showing a late-night premiere of a Batman film in a suburb of Denver.

— Oak Creek, Wisconsin, August 5, 2012: A white supremacist and US army veteran fatally shoots six people and wounds four others at a Sikh temple before taking his own life.

— Newtown, Connecticut, December 14 2012: A young man kills 26 people, including 20 children at Sandy Hook elementary school. He also fatally shoots his mother. He commits suicide.

— Miami, Florida, July 26, 2013: A gunman kills six people in a shooting rampage at an apartment building, taking two people hostage before being killed by police after a lengthy standoff.

— Washington DC, September 16, 2013: At least 12 people die in a mass shooting at a naval base in Washington DC, with the gunman being fatally shot by police.

— Charleston, South Carolina, June 17, 2015: A white gunman kills at least nine people at a historic black church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina. Dylann Roof, 21, believed to be a white supremacist, is arrested the next day.

[kath]

30. Yes,and maybe we should wake up tothefact that the word"terrorism" actually is used as a propaganda

Term and has no real or consistent definition. And so many atrocious acts are committed by our government, both at home and abroad, in the name of "protecting us from terrorism" or "fighting terrorism".


REFUSAL TO CALL CHARLESTON SHOOTINGS “TERRORISM” AGAIN SHOWS IT’S A MEANINGLESS PROPAGANDA TERM https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/19/refusal-call-charleston-shootings-terrorism-shows-meaningless-propaganda-term/


Also http://www.salon.com/2010/03/14/terrorism_20/

[rocktivity]

35. Refusal to call Charleston Shootings Terrorism Shows

Last edited Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)

That Only Non-Whites and Non-Citizens Do It

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026872573


rocktivity

[uponit7771]

13. Roof told the people who weren't shot to tell others for the explicit REASON to terrorize other...

... blacks in the area...

There's no doubt this techincally falls under terrorism

[JDPriestly]

14. K&R.

[U4ikLefty]

16. but he's not a Muslim!!1!11!

[Overseas]

18. K&R. Well said.

[Lobo27]

19. Saw this today.

Black Shooter - Thug
Muslim Shooter - Terrorist
Hispanic Shooter - Immigrant
White Shooter - Mentally ill

Its that thinking that is the problem. All those people who commit heinous crimes should be labeled the same.

[Raster]

21. Sick, twisted little TERRORIST fuck.

May he burn in hell.

And a big FUCK YOU to the State of South Carolina and their continuing racist enthrallment with a jaded, decrepit symbol of the state's failed, treasonous past.

[Pauldg47]

22. KKK : Fanatical Christian :: ISIS : Fanatical Muslim

They are Terrorists !!!! All organizations; Christians or not will have their extremists.

[Juicy_Bellows]

24. Bonafide terrorist. nt.

[niyad]

28. welcome to du

[kath]

31. actually, after some reading the past couple of days, I think the term should be used a lot LESS

Frequently, rather than more. It really is a meaningless propaganda term, no matter whom it is used against. see my post #30 above, and an OP in GD that I posted last night. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026868683

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. 3-2-1...

Knock, knock... Pizza delivery...

[niyad]

36. looks like I missed some fun!

[niyad]

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