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RandySF

(59,031 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:20 AM Jun 2015

Chris Hayes Confronts Mark Sanford About Confederate Flag: Flying ‘Symbol of Tyranny’

The shooting in Charleston has revived a national debate over the Confederate flag flying at the South Carolina state capitol and the question of why the Confederate flag is still embraced in the state, especially given how the Charleston gunman had a Confederate flag license plate.

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes confronted former South Carolina governor and current congressman Mark Sanford about why a “symbol of tyranny” and “white supremacy” and “domination” continues to fly from the capitol to this day.

Sanford argued that to another part of the population, “it’s a symbol of heritage” and state’s rights and the sacrifices of their ancestors. Hayes shot back that there’s clearly a connection between the symbolism of that flag and the horrible, racist actions of the Charleston killer.

Sanford insisted the shooter is an “outlier” and talked about making racial progress in South Carolina in other ways. Hayes was just really bothered by the strange resistance to taking it down in the first place.


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-confronts-mark-sanford-about-confederate-flag-flying-symbol-of-tyranny/

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Every racist POS and every politician who panders to the racist POS, claims states' rights.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:26 AM
Jun 2015

The articles of secession of South Carolina are online. The only right of states they are concerned with is slavery. The articles of secession of every other state that seceded are essentially the same.

The "states rights" shibboleth was used to justified slavery and extending slavery to the territories. After emancipation, it was used to justify Jim Crow. After the Civil Rights Act, it was used to justify not making Martin Luther King Day a holiday *cough* Goldwater and McCain *cough* and keeping the confederate flag flying in both public and private places and a host of other "good ole days of slavery" things.

If you are proud of that "heritage," nostalgic for the days before the Civil War, fuck off and STFU. You, too, Antebellum. eom

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
4. That's all 'States Rights' has ever meant....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jun 2015

It's always been synonymous with racist hate, always! Neo-confederates and their 'heritage' can STFU!

This old white woman will fight you to the end, creeps!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. And without having to admit your actual motivation.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:57 AM
Jun 2015

Cloaking that racist shit in the tenth amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

Rhiannon12866

(205,708 posts)
2. Thanks for the reminder, missed this tonight, intend to watch the repeat.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jun 2015

Though I still can't believe the voters elected Mark Sanford after his egregious antics as governor.

Rhiannon12866

(205,708 posts)
8. I just happened to be in SC just before that election and saw the campaign signs all over
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jun 2015

It never dawned on me that anybody would vote for him - especially instead of Stephen Colbert's sister. I take your point.

KelleyKramer

(8,980 posts)
3. SC elected Strom Thurman as their senator for about 50 years
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jun 2015

That should tell you all you need to know

If you still have any questions, please see the Confederate flag currently flying at full mast at the SC capital

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
6. this States Rights bullshit is creating 50 nation states
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:48 AM
Jun 2015

the big pig bizz will be very happy as the country desolves .

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
11. If that is his feeling - time to abandon your heritage!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

Simple as that, his explanation of heritage doesn't hold water.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
12. I wonder if anyone will march to the State Capitol
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jun 2015

to demand that flag be removed.

In Germany, no one can fly a Nazi flag. It's against the law.

'A symbol of heritage' my ass. It's a symbol of slavery and secession from the union.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. That flag is a symbol of treason. The rebels were traitors.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jun 2015

Sorry if it was your ancestor. But the rebels were traitors to the US.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
16. Actually they were all pardoned.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jun 2015

The Amnesty Proclamation of 1863 offered pardons to everyone not in gov't office. Gov't officials had to apply for individual pardons, and 99% of them were granted. Only a handful of people were ever tried and convicted of anything to do with treason or involvement in the civil war.

deminks

(11,017 posts)
15. Now there is a real pillar of society!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jun 2015

Not. I tend to toss out everything he says. Bet the Family told him to say that.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
18. And these assholes praise the constitution and how great the "UNITED" States are
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015

while embracing the heritage that stood for a divided Nation and a dissolution of the Constitution.

Fuck them.

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