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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:19 AM Jun 2015

"The System Is Broken": Americans No Longer Believe In Its Institutions

Americans have little confidence in most of their major institutions including Congress, the presidency, the Supreme Court, banks and organized religion, according to the latest Gallup poll.

1.Only 8 percent have confidence in Congress, down by 16 points from a long-term average of 24 percent – the lowest of all institutions rated. The rating is about the same as last year's 7 percent, the lowest Gallup has ever measured for any institution.

2.Thirty-three percent have confidence in the presidency, a drop from a historical average of 43 percent.

3.Thirty-two percent have confidence in the Supreme Court, down from 44.

4.2004 was also the last year Americans' satisfaction with the way things are going in the United States averaged better than 40 percent. Currently, 28 percent of Americans are satisfied with the state of the nation.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/06/17/americans-have-lost-confidence-in-everything
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"The System Is Broken": Americans No Longer Believe In Its Institutions (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 OP
Essentially, greed is corrupting every institution in our society. closeupready Jun 2015 #1
I wholeheartedly agree! nt City Lights Jun 2015 #12
We're like an old rotted Cottonwood tree CanonRay Jun 2015 #27
First post in the thread wins. hifiguy Jun 2015 #68
+ 1. K&R. (eom) Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #110
There's not a single part of the American Government that I have faith in. ladjf Jun 2015 #2
I still have faith in the Post Office Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #111
Well, now that you mentioned it, I tend to agree. The Repubs ladjf Jun 2015 #113
And yet they still don't bother to vote Auggie Jun 2015 #3
If you believe a system is broken, you would be discouraged closeupready Jun 2015 #4
No, refusing to participate allows the charade to continue unchanged. FSogol Jun 2015 #7
Spot on Auggie Jun 2015 #8
NO. Completely disagree. closeupready Jun 2015 #11
I am in awe of your amazing rebutal. FSogol Jun 2015 #46
You are in before anyone else on my new Ignore list. closeupready Jun 2015 #50
Awesome, anyone else advocating not voting should do likewise. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #56
Don't you just love it Andy823 Jun 2015 #78
LOL: LALALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU, LALALALALALALALALAL I CAN'T.... FSogol Jun 2015 #80
I'm not seeing how they were advocating anything TorchTheWitch Jun 2015 #107
And you're right. Revolutionary change happens from outside the system. But I'm not that cynical Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #67
Bernie is probably the last chance to do so hifiguy Jun 2015 #69
Bless you for saying that out loud. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #86
The longer I think about it the more convinced I am it is true. hifiguy Jun 2015 #90
+1 LiberalLoner Jun 2015 #94
The amount of violence in a socialist revolution is in direct proportion...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2015 #88
And the tenth-percenters will fight like tigers jacked up on meth. hifiguy Jun 2015 #89
Yes. Which is why I don't have much hope for any sort of ......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2015 #91
And when all the candidates want to ignore that faucet, it will not get fixed. jeff47 Jun 2015 #35
I want things to improve. That's why I am a Democrat and am supporting a FSogol Jun 2015 #43
Pretending that all Democrats want to improve things will not actually improve them. jeff47 Jun 2015 #49
You got it squarely. hifiguy Jun 2015 #71
+1 azmom Jun 2015 #101
i think the dissatisfaction and distrust of government hurts voter turnout 0rganism Jun 2015 #5
It doesn't work that way in France. They become engaged. They get loud. Auggie Jun 2015 #16
true, there are a lot of other factors involved in citizen participation 0rganism Jun 2015 #18
The difference is someone listens to them in France. jeff47 Jun 2015 #29
Right because the United States of America is the Republic of France. closeupready Jun 2015 #51
Because we love being worse than other developed / first world nations! AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #59
Because that argument makes sense. closeupready Jun 2015 #64
We're exceptional!! pampango Jun 2015 #79
Yep. White Jesus TOLD me so. Volaris Jun 2015 #109
That's a result, not a cause. MindPilot Jun 2015 #6
How is it dysfunctional in California and New York? Auggie Jun 2015 #20
Your quote... MindPilot Jun 2015 #38
In the last election Oregon had 69.3% turnout, legalized cannabis, passed an ERA elected Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #40
That won't last long. MindPilot Jun 2015 #45
millions of Americans have lost faith in our voting system, and rightfully so J_J_ Jun 2015 #15
When you don't have someone on the ballot who will change the broken system jeff47 Jun 2015 #23
There's always a Democrat on the ballot. Are you implying they're no better than a Republican? Auggie Jun 2015 #26
I'm saying Democrats helped to create our dystopia. Very few of them actually want to fix it. jeff47 Jun 2015 #28
I am STATING that 28 Dems are no better than Republicans: dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #30
My argument centers on voting in general, not the outcome of specific legislation. I agree, Auggie Jun 2015 #39
No, they do it because they don't give a shit about the electorate. MindPilot Jun 2015 #55
BTW, here are the 28 Dems who supported it: Auggie Jun 2015 #42
Five of them are from CA MindPilot Jun 2015 #48
I'll reiterate: I'm not discussing individual contests but voting turnout in general. Auggie Jun 2015 #85
And there were 54 republicans who were no better than Democrats. pampango Jun 2015 #83
Oh really? bullsnarfle Jun 2015 #74
Totally agree and worse were the DU cheering for him yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #77
every democrat I voted for wants TPP TheFarseer Jun 2015 #92
Right wing Republican mission accomplished! Human101948 Jun 2015 #9
^^^^THIS^^^^ SalviaBlue Jun 2015 #32
+1 deutsey Jun 2015 #66
2 b replaced by?? dembotoz Jun 2015 #10
it's the electorate i have most problems with... tk2kewl Jun 2015 #13
We did. We were told to shut up and follow the party. jeff47 Jun 2015 #25
Very interesting post! ^^ /nt OldEurope Jun 2015 #62
This fellow Gen Xer says "Spot on!" AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #65
+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #70
I am a boomer and agree with you 100%. hifiguy Jun 2015 #72
I'm a "boomer" Caretha Jun 2015 #95
+1 raouldukelives Jun 2015 #97
I voted for Obama...twice. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #31
i hear you, but when only 30% turn out to vote it's a problem tk2kewl Jun 2015 #44
Hmmm.. sendero Jun 2015 #14
I agree. The system is indeed broken. bigwillq Jun 2015 #17
Capitalism without a strong government to mitigate its worst effects is PatrickforO Jun 2015 #19
It's been heading this way for a long time whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #21
The TPA vote puts an exclamation point on this feeling nationwide... cascadiance Jun 2015 #22
Which was exactly the plan of the GOP for the past 30 years, remember? Now what? Hekate Jun 2015 #24
Right now, I am for............... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #33
He's a good man to have in the national conversation Hekate Jun 2015 #75
This 13 year university employee adds universities to that list. RadiationTherapy Jun 2015 #34
I read recently that college administrations have increased staff and salaries 4 fold. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #60
Why is the number of people who trust the system still so high? Taitertots Jun 2015 #36
GOP, quoting from a very old commercial..."AND I HELPED!!" Gloria Jun 2015 #37
As the US becomes more diverse, the less we will trust our institutions AngryAmish Jun 2015 #41
So, should we go back to the 1950s and give up our diversity to get back our country? AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #61
They're finally becoming aware that the system is and has been broken for a long time. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #47
Good. Everyone is finally recognizing the entire system is corrupt. /nt TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2015 #52
K&R marmar Jun 2015 #53
The good news is that more and more are "on" to the scam of religion. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #54
Repugs have broken us. lark Jun 2015 #57
well, what the American people need to do is MisterP Jun 2015 #58
Mission Accomplished! RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #63
Thomas Piketty: The Market and Private Property Should Be The Slaves of Democracy hifiguy Jun 2015 #73
And guess what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #76
For a VERY long time. hifiguy Jun 2015 #81
And sadly, many on the left were useful, if not just plain, idiots to the plan. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #84
Yes, it's all the left's fault. The centrists who implemented the plan are blameless. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #98
That's not what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #99
Because the people actually destroying the institutions in the name of "bipartisanship" jeff47 Jun 2015 #100
Newsflash ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #103
No, they're really not. jeff47 Jun 2015 #106
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #108
Our institutions are shitty and the founders were idiots. The system isn't designed to be responsive craigmatic Jun 2015 #82
Not at all. hifiguy Jun 2015 #87
A dysfunctional government combined with conservatism is a recipe for disaster. craigmatic Jun 2015 #93
It is a "recipe" for capitalism. CanSocDem Jun 2015 #96
I'd say, the PERCEPTION of a dysfunctional government ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #105
For most people, goernment functions just fine ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #104
35 years of brainwashing will do it HassleCat Jun 2015 #102
Red Cross can be added to the list...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #112
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
1. Essentially, greed is corrupting every institution in our society.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jun 2015

Integrity, appearance of impropriety, conflicts of interest, cash-for-access ...

I am pessimistic.

CanonRay

(14,110 posts)
27. We're like an old rotted Cottonwood tree
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

Still standing, looks strong on the outside, but is full of decay, and will fall in the next big storm. You are dead on right about Greed being at the heart of it all. Our institutions have sold themselves...the ultimate price to pay for unbridled capitalism. I'm also very pessimistic.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
68. First post in the thread wins.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jun 2015

This is it in a nutshell. Capitalism corrupts everything it touches.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
2. There's not a single part of the American Government that I have faith in.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jun 2015

That makes me feel terrible.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
113. Well, now that you mentioned it, I tend to agree. The Repubs
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jun 2015

are doing everything within their power to privatize the P.O.

I did have faith in the Coast Guard, but their leadership looked a shabby in the hurricane problem in the New Orleans area and the oil well leak in the Gulf. Not too bad though. I might be a bit misinformed.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
3. And yet they still don't bother to vote
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

From The N.Y. Times, Nov. 2014:

The Worst Voter Turnout in 72 Years

The abysmally low turnout in last week’s midterm elections — the lowest in more than seven decades — was bad for Democrats, but it was even worse for democracy. In 43 states, less than half the eligible population bothered to vote, and no state broke 60 percent.

In the three largest states — California, Texas and New York — less than a third of the eligible population voted. New York’s turnout was a shameful 28.8 percent, the fourth-lowest in the country, despite three statewide races (including the governor) and 27 House races.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/opinion/the-worst-voter-turnout-in-72-years.html?_r=0

We (and I mean Americans in general) were the ones that bought into Reaganism—trickle down and smaller government—and kept it alive.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. If you believe a system is broken, you would be discouraged
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jun 2015

from participating, i.e., voting. Because participating would not work as intended/designed.

Rather, you would only be helping to legitimize a coercive institution that is controlling you and your life at the whims of Big Money interests.

Refusing to participate at least sends a message to observers that the entire charade is only for show.

FSogol

(45,503 posts)
7. No, refusing to participate allows the charade to continue unchanged.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

If your sink faucet is dripping because it needs a new washer, ignoring it will never fix it. No matter how long you ignore the dripping, it will never get better. It must be repaired to improve. Problems that have been around more than 10 years are extremely difficult to fix. It takes work. We need to get everyone involved and fix the problems in this nation. All the whining and non-participation will be never improve a damn thing. GOTV, DU.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
78. Don't you just love it
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jun 2015

When the best response you can get is to be told you are now on someones "ignore" list?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
107. I'm not seeing how they were advocating anything
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

particularly advocating not voting. Seems to me that they were just explaining why people discouraged by the system likely don't vote... and the non-voting numbers are incredible.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
67. And you're right. Revolutionary change happens from outside the system. But I'm not that cynical
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jun 2015

just yet. I think we still have hope of reforming the system.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
69. Bernie is probably the last chance to do so
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

without a violent revolution against the tenth-percenters.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
90. The longer I think about it the more convinced I am it is true.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

The bought-off corporatist "Democrats" will only boil the frogs a bit more slowly. It is painfully obvious who owns them and who they are working for. See TPP. It was there that the president drew his line in the sand. Nuff said.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
88. The amount of violence in a socialist revolution is in direct proportion......
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jun 2015

to the amount of violence that the bourgeoisie use to try and hang on to their ill-gotten gains.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
89. And the tenth-percenters will fight like tigers jacked up on meth.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jun 2015

Though not in person of course. They never dirty their hands. I still have more than a sneaking suspicion that the kkkops have been militarized to the extent they have because TPTB have little faith that the uniformed military would turn on the citizenry when the shit hits the fan. Not to mention the mercenary armies that DicKKK funded so generously. The tenth percenters remember what happened to Mussolini and Ceaucescu.

The kkkops and mercenaries will joyously massacre the people with never a second thought but there are not enough of them to do the job if the military sits on its hands.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
91. Yes. Which is why I don't have much hope for any sort of .........
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:12 PM
Jun 2015

"non-violent" revolution. It's going to be like Ukraine, but worse. But the only other option is a slow death on your knees. I'd rather die on my feet I think.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. And when all the candidates want to ignore that faucet, it will not get fixed.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jun 2015

When there's no one on the ballot who wants to fix that faucet, it will not get fixed. No matter who you vote for, or no matter if you vote or not.

Our problems are not 10 years old. They are more than 40 years old. They were not only allowed to drip, they were encouraged to rot out half of the entire house.

You don't fix that with a little paint. And you should not blame the people who notice the paint will not fix the problem. You should try listening to them instead, and actually fix the house.

FSogol

(45,503 posts)
43. I want things to improve. That's why I am a Democrat and am supporting a
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jun 2015

candidate that doesn't just talk, he actually improves things.

Constant Eeyore-ism by malcontents will never fix anything. Why the hell do people waste their time here if they seriously believe nothing can change or improve? Why care about politics if you think your vote doesn't matter? Anyone advocating not voting is fool of the highest order. According to DU's TOS those fools and their ilk don't belong here.

BTW, Where did I say our problems are only 10 years old?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
49. Pretending that all Democrats want to improve things will not actually improve them.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jun 2015
Constant Eeyore-ism by malcontents will never fix anything. Why the hell do people waste their time here if they seriously believe nothing can change or improve?

The giant pile of stupid in your statement here is claiming such people believe nothing can change. We know it can change.

We also know it will not change with the party we have had for the last 40 years. The party turned to centrism and abandoned positions that it used to defend. This was greatly amped-up when the DLC was formed.

That faction of the party is not interested in changing anything. That faction is what got us to our current dystopia.

Always voting "D" is not always voting for change. Until very recently, it was voting to only go back to 1920 instead of 1820.

Change is coming. It will not be delivered by the current Democratic party leadership.

BTW, Where did I say our problems are only 10 years old?

When you decided to pick 10 years in your post. The problems are much older, and choosing such a short time-frame is a massive disservice to those of us who have been fighting the party's myopia much longer than 10 years.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. You got it squarely.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

The time is well past when incremental, marginal change, even in the few cases it comes to pass, will be anything like sufficient to accomplish what needs to be done, and that includes maintaining the habitability of the one planet we have. There are two candidates who are pointing out that systemic changes that need to be made. There is one who avoids and denies because the status quo has been very good indeed to that candidate and her family. She and those with whom she is closely allied, not to say joined at the hip, are perfectly content with the way things are going and will, if anything, accelerate it. For them, it is about PROFIT even if the world burns.

The choice is obvious

0rganism

(23,959 posts)
5. i think the dissatisfaction and distrust of government hurts voter turnout
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jun 2015

elections and democracy are within the domain of government institutions.

when people lose faith in their government, it makes sense that they also lose faith in the mechanisms it supports, including the systems established to apply democratic corrections.

which is just one more reason republicans have for making government suck as much as possible.

0rganism

(23,959 posts)
18. true, there are a lot of other factors involved in citizen participation
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015

i do have to wonder if the French have an across-the-board dissatisfaction with their government and its institutions the way we do here.

also, i'd bet it's a lot easier to be loud and engaged when a potential lack of employer-provided health care isn't perpetually hanging over your head like the goddam sword of Damocles.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. The difference is someone listens to them in France.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jun 2015

In the US, we get told to shut up or Republicans will win.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
6. That's a result, not a cause.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

Many of us have already figured out that elections are just one more dysfunctional piece of American governance.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
38. Your quote...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jun 2015

"In the three largest states — California, Texas and New York — less than a third of the eligible population voted."

So you're saying that as long as Democrats hold the majority, the "system" is working just fine? No, this is much bigger than than partisan politics. Clearly the conservative voters in Texas feel disenfranchised just as the liberal voters in California and New York do.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. In the last election Oregon had 69.3% turnout, legalized cannabis, passed an ERA elected
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

Democrats, etc. It's very easy to vote here and we occasionally make progress, so people vote.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
45. That won't last long.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

As sure as an apple turns brown when you cut it open, those Democrats will turn their backs on the people who voted for them in favor of the people who bankrolled them, and a batch of new regulations make that legalized weed impossible to get.

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the outcome will always be the same.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
15. millions of Americans have lost faith in our voting system, and rightfully so
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

What kind of country lets Republican corporations count the votes with secret software?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. When you don't have someone on the ballot who will change the broken system
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

there isn't a reason to vote.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
28. I'm saying Democrats helped to create our dystopia. Very few of them actually want to fix it.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

The vast majority just want to keep the status quo going a little bit longer.

There's a Mount Everest of shit to clean up, and most Democratic politicians just want to do some light dusting.

Oh, and no there is not always a Democrat on the ballot. And I'm not making a crack about DINOs. My last ballot when I lived in upstate NY had one Democrat on it. There were 8 races.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
30. I am STATING that 28 Dems are no better than Republicans:
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jun 2015
Twenty-eight Democratic lawmakers voted in favor of Fast Track,

which would make it easier for Obama to ram through controversial trade deals like the Trans Pacific Partnership, reducing the role of Congress to an up-or-down vote on such mammoth agreements.

"Thanks to House Republicans and a handful of turncoat Democrats, the army of corporate execs and industry lobbyists who wrote the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership will now have an easier time shoving it down the throats of an American public that's broadly opposed to more NAFTA-style trade deals," Democracy for America chair Jim Dean said after the vote. "While we will continue to work to defeat fast-track for the job-killing TPP in the U.S. Senate, we will never forget which House Democrats stood with American working families against Fast Track and who sold them out."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026863682

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
39. My argument centers on voting in general, not the outcome of specific legislation. I agree,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

the fast track vote is reprehensible. An engaged electorate -- especially those registered as Democrats -- would pick up the phone and raise hell with those 28 reps. I hope that's happening, though those 28 voted in favor most likely because they know they won't be held accountable.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
55. No, they do it because they don't give a shit about the electorate.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jun 2015

If a supposedly liberal Democratic representative, needs me--Pointdexter in the IT department--to tell them that TPP is a bad deal for workers, there is something really messed up.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
42. BTW, here are the 28 Dems who supported it:
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
Sam Farr (CA-20)
Jim Costa (CA-16)
Ami Bera (CA-07)
Scott Peters (CA-52)
Jared Polis (CO-02)
James Himes (CT-04)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-23)
Mike Quigley (IL-05)
John Delaney (MD-06)
Brad Ashford (NE-02)
Gregory Meeks (NY-05)
Kathleen Rice (NY-04)
Earl Blumenauer (OR-03)
Kurt Schrader (OR-05)
Suzanne Bonamici (OR-01)
Jim Cooper (TN-05)
Rubén Hinojosa (TX-15)
Eddie Johnson (TX-30)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Beto O'Rourke (TX-16)
Gerald Connolly (VA-11)
Donald Beyer (VA-08)
Rick Larsen (WA-02)
Suzan DelBene (WA-01)
Derek Kilmer (WA-06)
Ron Kind (WI-03)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394407/-These-are-the-28-Democrats-who-voted-for-fast-track-twice#

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
48. Five of them are from CA
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

Including my own very liberal Susan Davis, and from her neighboring district Scott Peters. No matter who you vote for, this what you get.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
83. And there were 54 republicans who were no better than Democrats.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jun 2015

..........................YES........NO........PRES.......NV
REPUBLICAN........191..........54.......................1
DEMOCRATIC.........28........157.......................3
INDEPENDENT
TOTALS...............219 ......211.....................4

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll362.xml

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
74. Oh really?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

I don't suppose you noticed who the Dems ran in Florida's last gubernatorial race, did you? Charlie Freakin' Crist!!!!! That's right, a cheesy goddamn recycled Repub! If he had been running against anybody but Voldemort I don't think I could have held my nose long enough to fill out the ballot for him. Still gives me the heaves to think about it.

And when I think about those Dems who turn out to be rotten sell-outs(and we all know who they are) - NO, I do NOT think they are any better than Repubs. A snake is a snake.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
77. Totally agree and worse were the DU cheering for him
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

Like he was some liberal or something. It was gross around here during that time.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
92. every democrat I voted for wants TPP
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jun 2015

Makes me think it's not worthwhile to vote if I just get the same result no matter who we elect.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
9. Right wing Republican mission accomplished!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jun 2015

"Government is the problem," proclaimed presidential candidate Ronald Reagan. And the Republicans have worked incessantly to prove him right by obstructing, gumming up the works, running up huge deficits, constantly propagandizing with specious stories about the incompetence of government employees and those who depend on government programs to stay alive.

This is part of an orchestrated campaign that started in the 1960s when corporatist Lewis Powell wrote his famous memo in response to the "power to the people" movement that was sweeping through the country.

The Lewis Powell Memo - A Corporate Blueprint to Dominate Democracy

Written in 1971 to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Lewis Powell Memo was a blueprint for corporate domination of American Democracy.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/The-Lewis-Powell-Memo/

The Trade pact that we seen being rammed through Congress now is the end result of this corporate domination--now they are so powerful they can overrule the laws of nations.

SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
32. ^^^^THIS^^^^
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jun 2015

You are exactly right!!

Remember: ...make government so small it can be drowned in a bathtub...

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
13. it's the electorate i have most problems with...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jun 2015

if you don't have confidence get the fuck involved

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. We did. We were told to shut up and follow the party.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jun 2015

At least, that was the experience of most of the politically active members of my generation (GenX).

Attempts to change this were met with massive resistance from the party establishment. And basic math dictated we could not win - my generation is much smaller than the generations who resisted our efforts.

Things like student loan debt and keeping the safety net intact weren't "winning issues" according to the party. And we were not needed to form a winning coalition - there were enough boomers and WWII generation Democrats to compete against the Republicans.

Time has thinned those numbers down, and suddenly we're needed. And just as you posted, our disinterest is blamed on us instead of looking at our party's past.

Instead of planting wheat, the Democratic party planted salt. And now that the fields are not growing, the poor harvest is being blamed on the fields.

We know we're fucked. We know there is a Mount Everest of shit to clean up. And we know from experience that those generations are not interested in cleaning up their mess. So we'll have to do it after they are out of the way. If some more turds fall on the Mount Everest of shit, it won't make that big of a difference.

AwakeAtLast

(14,132 posts)
65. This fellow Gen Xer says "Spot on!"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

This could be an OP, but then most likely a generation war would start.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
70. +1.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jun 2015

It's always 'blame the victims'. We get offered crappy candidates, then chewed out when there's no enthusiasm to vote for them.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
72. I am a boomer and agree with you 100%.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jun 2015

The party was sold to corporate interests bit by bit by the DLC, the Turd Way crowd and most of all by the Clintons. They pocketed the tens of millions and laughed at the base.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
95. I'm a "boomer"
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:38 AM
Jun 2015

and you couldn't be more right.

I'll back GenX - I've children in that category, and they and their friends are savvier than most boomers I know, of course I taught them

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
97. +1
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

As a fellow X'r I have had the same experience.

It is interesting how much our current President has reminded me of exactly how I felt in the late 90's for exactly the same reasons.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. I voted for Obama...twice.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jun 2015

And he is now betraying us by trying to get TPP and related pro-oligarchy legis. rammed thru Congress.

The electorate are not doing this, our Democratic Pres. is!!!!

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
44. i hear you, but when only 30% turn out to vote it's a problem
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

that is my concern.

i think the flawed institutions can work if everyone participates.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. Hmmm..
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

....maybe the average American isn't as dumb as I thought. Or maybe the general malaise affecting our economy, our government and just about everything else is starting to wake people up.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
17. I agree. The system is indeed broken.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

I don't believe our government is working for most Americans. Congress is a mess. This president tried, but it proves that the president has very little power. Banks? Not working for us. Organized religion? A stain on this country. The Supreme Court? Only working for their own interests.
This country has been in deep trouble for quite a long time.

PatrickforO

(14,584 posts)
19. Capitalism without a strong government to mitigate its worst effects is
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015

like a cancer on the land, eating up everything in sight.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
22. The TPA vote puts an exclamation point on this feeling nationwide...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

I met some decent minded people, both Republicans and Democrats yesterday that were fed up with the cancer that has infected our government that is selling itself (and US) out with the vote for the TPA last night.

I think though we can't cede our feelings on progressive issues, there's a way that we can focus on issues when meeting with like minded Republicans so that we can push changes within both of our parties to change this system that has become screwed up that no one trusts any more.

People should look at the way Oregon SLAMMED the corporatist effort to take over our elections with prop 90 (top two primary) in 2014, that was backed by oil billionaires and Bloomberg, and was endorsed by corporatist paper Oregonian as well.

People saw through the crap and destroyed this measure so that it fared worse than even the measure that tried to put in place driver's licenses for undocumented residents here.

We can work together if done in the right way to throw off the corporate cancer we have infecting our government.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
34. This 13 year university employee adds universities to that list.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

They are wealth-generating machines for administrators and bankers as well as a small percentage of faculty, and students. Everyone else can fuck off.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
60. I read recently that college administrations have increased staff and salaries 4 fold.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

Since the incredible growth in "free" money via college loans.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
36. Why is the number of people who trust the system still so high?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jun 2015

Should be 0.1% trust the system because they are the only people the system serves.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
37. GOP, quoting from a very old commercial..."AND I HELPED!!"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jun 2015

They exploit the system for their purposes, then trash it when it comes to the greater good.

I detest these people, more and more. I am NOT MELLOWING!

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
41. As the US becomes more diverse, the less we will trust our institutions
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

Harvard's Robert Putnam did a massive study of diverse neighborhoods and found the more diverse places had the least social trust. Our nation is much more diverse than my youth and social trust is in the toilet. We don't believe in institutions at anymore. The tea party got it's initial oomph because folks were afraid that their neighbors who bought too much house would get bailed out by the government (and it was taken over by the Koch Brothers about ten seconds later).

This is the new normal. Actually, I think over the next generation or two the US will become a lot like Mexico, with a very wealthy elite plus technocrats (the kind of folks who get into the Ivy League) will rule over the masses who really don't care anymore. The two parties will remain and swap the titles of power every few years. Monopolies will return, heck already have.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
61. So, should we go back to the 1950s and give up our diversity to get back our country?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

So things were much better and peaceful when the only people that mattered were white protestants?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
47. They're finally becoming aware that the system is and has been broken for a long time.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

And, many are ignoring the system, refusing to participate in the system, or looking for alternatives to the system.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
54. The good news is that more and more are "on" to the scam of religion.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jun 2015

Confidence in religious institutions has plunged to a new low. And that is a very good thing.

lark

(23,134 posts)
57. Repugs have broken us.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jun 2015

They did it on purpose as the constitution and our institutions stood in the way of the oligarchy they wanted and have created here.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
58. well, what the American people need to do is
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jun 2015

clap your hands and close your eyes! suits and whitebcoats tell no lies! *shakes pom poms*

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
63. Mission Accomplished!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015


Ever since the Reagan Era, the goal has been to place people in government who were bent on its destruction. Cabinet secretaries that were openly hostile toward their departments were routinely appointed and confirmed. The tradition continues to this day. Look at Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, who is bound and determined to destroy public education as we know it. Into this democratic vacuum steps corporate rule and domination.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
73. Thomas Piketty: The Market and Private Property Should Be The Slaves of Democracy
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015


The problem is that a hopelessly corrupted "democracy" is now the slave of private property and markets.

The choices are simple - the system must evolve or die. The problem is that the system now has the power to literally destroy the planet on which we live. So will it be life or predatory capitalism? I am not optimistic.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
99. That's not what I said ...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

But anyway, if you think it was /is "centrists " working this "distrust of institutions" plan, ask yourself who benefits when the people no longer trust the institutions?

Then, ask yourself if you might have been one of those used.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
100. Because the people actually destroying the institutions in the name of "bipartisanship"
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

or "getting things done" are blameless.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
103. Newsflash ...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jun 2015

The institutions (i.e., government) are working just fine, for the most part; though they could be strenghtened.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
106. No, they're really not.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

For example, the IRS can't do it's job because it does not have enough money to enforce tax laws against anyone but the poor.

Every single "Government can't do anything right" was aided and abetted by centrist. "Raising taxes will make us look all liberal. So let's sign on to this 'public-private partnership' thing to build the new highway. Oh shit, it went bankrupt. Well, clearly government can't do anything right."

"Repair water mains? That would endanger funding for our new stadium and 'Tax free zones'! We can't do that without raising taxes, and the Republicans would say unpleasant things about me if I did that." And then water mains fail.

The Republicans did not drag the country to our current location alone. They had lots and lots of help from centrist Democrats.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
82. Our institutions are shitty and the founders were idiots. The system isn't designed to be responsive
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

to voters or work. Separation of powers has failed us and ideas like term limits, limited government, the second amendment, and checks and balances only delays progress. That's why few other countries in the world have adopted our model and kept it. Everyone else knows a parliamentary system is better. At least a PM can get things done as opposed to this divided government bullshit we have.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
87. Not at all.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jun 2015

Mr Madison rested his republic on one crucial foundation - a concerned and informed citizenry.

That necessary factor has been intentionally destroyed, in large part by the corporate media, reichwing radio and the plutocrats.

I remember this country before Raygun. While it would never be mistaken for Pericles' Athens, it has been dumbed down to a point that was quite literally unimaginable 40 years ago. It has all been by design.

News used to be actual news. With few exceptions, mostly on the Web, it is now carefully crafted state propaganda crafted to serve the interests of the tenth-percenters and only the tenth-percenters.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
105. I'd say, the PERCEPTION of a dysfunctional government ...
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jun 2015

is a recipe for fascism, and/or totalitarianism, but for most people, government (and capitalism) works just fine.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
102. 35 years of brainwashing will do it
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

Ever since Ronald Reagan told us that government was just a big drag, a useless waste of money that couldn't do anything for us, we have been losing confidence in government and political institutions, watching our infrastructure decay, giving up on various social problems, and generally losing our initiative in many ways. We still know how to invade small, helpless nations, though. See? There's a real bright spot! I guess I shouldn't be so pessimistic.

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