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I got an example of that today. I took my car into the dealership for an oil change this morning. After dropping it off with the service manager, I went into the customer waiting room to pass the time until it was finished. I had my Kindle Fire, so I hooked up to the free wi-fi and logged back into DU, where I continued replying in one of my threads about the recent mass shooting in South Carolina.
As usual, people were seated in the waiting room in alternate seats, with everyone leaving one empty seat between them and the person next to them. We do that here in Minnesota, as in most of the country. As long as there's room, we avoid sitting shoulder to shoulder with others. It's an odd American thing, I guess. I had taken a seat at the end of one line of seats, with a space between me and the next person on one side. I don't want people to feel uncomfortable, either.
After I'd been there for about ten minutes, another customer came into the waiting room. This customer was a 30-something black man, the only non-Caucasian in the room. There were no more opportunities for empty seats between people. So, the new arrival took a seat between two other men in the room.
Each of those men immediately got up and moved to sit between other people in the waiting room. One of them sat in the seat next to mine. It's not a large waiting room. They moved to avoid sitting shoulder to shoulder with a black person, but sat down shoulder to shoulder with two others in the waiting room. Instead of having just one person sitting immediately next to them, they chose to have one on each side. The only person left in the room with an empty seat on both sides of himself was this lone black man.
Subtle racism, unless you are the black man who came into the waiting room. Very unsubtle racism from his point of view. Subtle ugliness is still ugly.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Get up - and go sit next to him.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)He had an empty seat on both sides. I sat on the end of a row, to avoid having people on both sides of me. I doubt if moving over to sit next to him would have helped much, really. It would have been sort of an obvious move, that might have been uncomfortable to him. I considered it, though. I decided to remain in the seat I chose originally. I went back to my Kindle.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)getting up and changing seats was "obvious"?
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)What I mean by "subtle" is that nobody called anyone a name or spoke an insult. I've also observed that kind of insulting racism. That wasn't the case today.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)If you noticed, everyone else in that room noticed. Yet nobody responded.
People talk about Kitty Genovese (or the rise of the Third Reich to use an extreme example), that 'evil triumphed because good men did nothing'.
You can bring the issue here and tut-tut, but when you had the power to do something, you did nothing.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Be received. I may have made the wrong choice. I often make the wrong choice.
padfun
(1,787 posts)If you went to sit by him, it would have made him uncomfortable. I've had people move after I sit by them and I then enjoy my new found room.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)MM no doubt thought through the situation and examined several possible outcomes, ultimately avoiding what he at the time considered to be a negative one; making the man feel even worse than he already probably did.
You weren't there; please don't second guess the person who was. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Also, see post #23.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)come runnin'
He might be better off if you just stay the fuck away.
Rex
(65,616 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)That.
Rex
(65,616 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)If the person were not white would the line not have been...?
"He and I were the only non-Caucasians in the room.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)two white men move away wouldn't make a hell of a lot of sense.
I know the knee-jerk thing here is to respond with some skepticism to everything, but it would behoove you to add some thought to that, I think.
This just makes you sound like your cue ball is a bit out of round.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Knee jerking? Amazing now you've assumed the race of two people in this thread...based on what again? Knee jerking? Irony?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)on another persons race. I just pointed out the obvious, maybe next time you will think before you type such things. Or not, probably not is more likely.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Couldn't resist the -- wasn't very funny, but -- joke.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BainsBane
(53,038 posts)Thanks for the suggestion.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It would have been a deliberate rebuke to those engaging in such a bigoted act.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)of good old american apple pie, white picket fence and racism that was not subtle at all. America has always squandered it's assets and this is an example on one effort to squander good will. I'm afraid, it is NEVER going to change. Too many minds and attitudes poisoned by the RW hate machine and media. A huge number of white people just can't accept black people and it got exponentially worse when a POC became our POTUS. No doubt. It's like the racist doubled down on their hate to make sure they let POC know, nothing has changed, "we still hate you and will murder you", "stay in your place and have no pride at Barack Obama's victory". Well they failed miserably in that last part. and they are just engendering more revulsion because of the first part, especially from a fight back veteran like myself.
No one called me n***** in Vietnam, to my face at least...
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Uncomfortable situation, all around.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Whenever a black man approaches from the other direction.
I kept watching and it kept happening over and over. Subtle racism based on irrational fear.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just at the sight of a black man. Racism ingrained at that level is sad to behold.
lpbk2713
(42,763 posts)They really should have been embarrassed for acting like they were six years old.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Example: "President Obama is so articulate."
What's often (but not always) unstated is the end of the sentence: "...for a black man."
former9thward
(32,046 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Obama is particularly articulate by any comparison. He's orders of magnitude better than either of the Bush Presidents, and he's even better than Bill ever was.
Reagan knew how to deliver a line, but in several of his speeches I've heard, he just droned on and on for much of the speech.
JFK, Nixon, Carter, Ford... None of them hold a candle to Obama's ability to give a speech and communicate his message.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)That would have made your point well, taking the burden off the black man and, potentially, onto yourself.
On the subway here, I don't hesitate for even a single second to move around as the crowd changes. I deserve to ride in comfort, and if people are slobbering over each other next to me, then let someone else enjoy the show.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Why yes it is! My my what an interesting post...you think he will reply to you? You think he will elaborate on what he meant by caricatures?
No doubt he was just misunderstood in 2008 and not actually defending voter fraud.
Mmhmm...
SixString
(1,057 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)An excerpt from your link:
I'll tell you another story from my community. I went to the local Walgreens to pick up some antacids, since this has all been very stressful and I needed them. I took them to the counter. The woman running the cash register was ranting on to another customer about the election and allowed as how the country was going to hell in a handbasket. The customer appeared to agree with her. He asked her what part of town she voted in.
"Oh, I didn't vote. I hate politicians."
She did not vote. The three black women who looked like caricatures voted. Thus, we have Obama as the next President.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)taken on of the OP's tomes seriously.
Yeah there is redemption. I just don't buy it here.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MineralMan
(146,320 posts)I was unsure of what to do.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)in the south.
Amazing.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It sure is timely, though.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the one you describe that mean racism.
Sit next to a person of a different race. (Here in California, there are people from all races.)
Greet people on the street regardless of race.
At meetings, sit with people of other races.
This is not a superficial or trivial thing. Especially for our older generation, we need to make sure we do not live in enclaves of our own race. Racism thrives when people of different races separate themselves from each other.
I live in a mixed neighborhood. We should all check our neighborhoods and schools and make sure that we are not participating in passive racism.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)Since my wife and I walk our dogs twice a day, we get to meet all of our neighbors. That and my GOTV canvassing has let me meet almost everyone in my precinct in the past ten years. It's great.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)MineralMan
(146,320 posts)I live in Minnesota.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)not from you, of course . . . but no lack of it elsewhere.
Just another form of bigotry imo.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Pretty obvious in fact.
And... from a strictly social/ethical/moral pov...... pretty trashy.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)You are correct, it is everywhere.
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was driving my kids home yesterday and an old white dude with and Obama sticker called me a nigg**. I stopped the car and my husband (he didn't see my husband) yelled 'what the fuck you say in front of my kids?' The guy got scared and almost hit the guy in front if him, cause trying to peel out to get away fast.
That's why when people say they voted for Obama, they're not racist, I do not take their words as fact.
Stuff like this happens so much, we learn to deal with it. I have not explained to my kids what they guy was saying.
Kali
(55,016 posts)that was about as in-your-face as calling him names. I think I might have said something out loud. holy shit!
a kennedy
(29,686 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Even my great grandmother - born in 1904 gave that up in the 80's! She went from the c word to oriental to Asian in her 90 some odd years on this earth. She gave up colored in the 1950's.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I think it was extremely rude.
curious_citizen
(9 posts)Subtle is totally not picked up sometimes as in an incident with me. I was in NOLA with my mom and sister. I was swimming in the hotel pool. I would swim for a while get out have a drink.talk, and then get back in. My sister and mom noticed that every time I got in the folks (white) would get out. I didn't pick it up so I decided to test the theory and sure enough they got out after I got in every time. So I sat out for a while and drank some more while they got into a game with a beach ball. I jumped in and swam some laps just to break up the game. Then I got the brilliant idea that rather than go to the room to release the fluid from the drinking I would share my liquid cooties with them. So I took a long swim around the pool and let them enjoy the fruits of the subtle racism/avoidance of me. I am black by the way but I really wasn't initially giving those folks a bit of thought. Then I got pissed so I pissed on them. Not right but at the time worked for me.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)ago my sister and I went to a new Jamaican restaurant for some wings and beer. She remarked on the way home how she felt being with us being the only 2 white people in there. I looked at her and said, now you know how a black person feels in the same circumstances. Oh she says, I never thought of that.
rock
(13,218 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)He usually kicks his own threads. Maybe he's out observing subtlety.
SixString
(1,057 posts)That's odd.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)except, of course, when you perceive a threat to your personal safety.