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RandySF

(59,031 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:19 PM Jun 2015

Dylan Roof's judge was disciplined for using n-word in hearing.

harleston County Magistrate James B. Gosnell began Friday’s bond hearing for mass-murderer Dylann Roof by declaring that the killer’s family members were victims as well.

At least he did not repeat an opinion that he offered in another proceeding a dozen years ago.

“There are four kinds of people in this world—black people, white people, red necks, and n---rs,” Gosnell advised a black defendant in a November 6, 2003 bond reduction hearing.

The comment led to a judicial disciplinary proceeding and a 2005 determination by the state Supreme Court. The court’s written finding reports Gosnell’s lame defense.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/19/racist-talk-from-dylann-roof-s-judge.html

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Dylan Roof's judge was disciplined for using n-word in hearing. (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
Oh hell no!!!!!! Kalidurga Jun 2015 #1
And somehow or other, Roof's case just happens to be assigned to this asshole. KamaAina Jun 2015 #2
remove him from the case. I hope the feds take over still_one Jun 2015 #3
Feds have no jurisdiction in murder cases. former9thward Jun 2015 #9
It is a hate crime, civil rights. The feds are looking into this right now. Also, an act of still_one Jun 2015 #14
Yeah, hate crime for sure, terrorism imho, the feds should be involved Cal Carpenter Jun 2015 #16
obviously I agree still_one Jun 2015 #17
Ahh, if you admit you killed 9 people former9thward Jun 2015 #27
it is important for the record. This is a civil rights case because the attack was directed still_one Jun 2015 #29
that's a separate matter TorchTheWitch Jun 2015 #31
That would be a totally separate case. former9thward Jun 2015 #41
gonna be a long hot summer olddots Jun 2015 #4
Kick RandySF Jun 2015 #5
Kick..this SO needs to be seen. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #6
Another K&R mvd Jun 2015 #7
Un-oh! Not another Trayvon Martin trial. No. Please. No. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #8
He has admitted doing it. former9thward Jun 2015 #11
Can the prosecutor request a different judge on that basis? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #22
Can request but it would be denied. former9thward Jun 2015 #28
maybe, maybe not TorchTheWitch Jun 2015 #36
maybe, maybe not TorchTheWitch Jun 2015 #37
Check his car for a confederate flag plate. kairos12 Jun 2015 #10
How did he stay on the bench? ? We have to get these racists out of government positions! prayin4rain Jun 2015 #12
K&R betsuni Jun 2015 #13
I wonder how he is planning to screw up the prosecution? He won't be hearing the jtuck004 Jun 2015 #15
I gave him the benefit of the doubt catrose Jun 2015 #18
Why grant bond for a confessed murderer of nine? moondust Jun 2015 #19
Because his family were 'victims' too. RandySF Jun 2015 #20
Good question. The danger of flight when facing a murder charge is very great. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #23
Hell yes. moondust Jun 2015 #24
Exactly. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #30
No bond for the murder charges, only for the weapon charge, I think. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #33
The defendant is not going to get a bond treestar Jun 2015 #35
R#32 & K n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #21
Why he's just a harmless, god fearin' good ole boy. nc4bo Jun 2015 #25
No business being ont he bench. PufPuf23 Jun 2015 #26
And, another fucking racist judge on parade.. yeah, "this country has overcome racism".. uh huh. Cha Jun 2015 #32
Can't believe I am seeing the bright side of this but treestar Jun 2015 #34
He was also reprimanded for showing favoritism to another judge on a DUI Marrah_G Jun 2015 #38
No suprised CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #39
This guy is a total loser. He shouldn't be anywhere near the current action. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #40

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. Oh hell no!!!!!!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jun 2015

I thought he shouldn't have been judge for this hearing. Now, I think he should just not be a judge. What a racist ass hat.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. And somehow or other, Roof's case just happens to be assigned to this asshole.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

Riiiiiiiight. Luck of the draw.

still_one

(92,302 posts)
14. It is a hate crime, civil rights. The feds are looking into this right now. Also, an act of
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jun 2015

terrorism

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
16. Yeah, hate crime for sure, terrorism imho, the feds should be involved
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

And basically an assassination of an elected official. Not a federal official, but still, I would think that would bring the feds in? I don't know though. Just thinking out loud. (not really out loud, but yaknowwhatImean)

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
27. Ahh, if you admit you killed 9 people
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jun 2015

what does hate crime have to do with it? Do you really think he will have a harsher sentence if he is convicted of a hate crime?

still_one

(92,302 posts)
29. it is important for the record. This is a civil rights case because the attack was directed
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:55 AM
Jun 2015

Specifically at a group of people because of their race. Also, the specific judge over seeing the case has made some questionable statements.

Yes, I think it is important that the Feds get involved

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
31. that's a separate matter
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jun 2015

The murders are dealt with by the state. Afterward, the hate crime is dealt with by the Federal court. The Federal court does not "take over" cases of murder, etc. that are the jurisdiction of the state whether the case included a hate crime or not. The murder charges are the jurisdiction of the state in this case, and only the hate crime aspect of it is the jurisdiction of the Federal court.

The Feds are called in to help with the investigation of all kinds of cases that are still the jurisdiction of the state. The fact that they are helping with the investigation doesn't mean that they are "taking over" the case - they can't and aren't.

States deal with certain types of cases and even certain aspects of certain cases. The Federal court does the same. Neither one is more harsh than the other, and considering the death penalty many states are too harsh as it is. Even if for some reason the Federal court dealt with a murder case (like if the murderer was a Federal employee as noted in an above post) it isn't more or less harsh than the state... and considering the state these murders occurred in, the result is likely going to be the death penalty which is more harsh than any of the states should have the right to impose.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
41. That would be a totally separate case.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

The feds can't intervene in a state murder case. And do you really think whatever penalty he gets for a hate crime would mean anything compared to a sentence for killing 9 people?

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
28. Can request but it would be denied.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jun 2015

And what is the point? This trial will only be about his sentence, nothing else.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
36. maybe, maybe not
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:38 AM
Jun 2015

Plenty of people that have admitted perpetuating a crime, particularly the crime of murder, still plead not guilty and go through trial. In all likelihood, Roof will plead not guilty by reason of insanity. If not that than be assured his attorney will use some other reason or a variety of them. Any defense attorney would do their utmost to convince their client to plead not guilty since their job is to try to get them off... and very often it works. If not the defense attorney needing to convince their client to plead not guilty, clearly, most people that are guilty of crimes want to get away with them and at least go through trial to attempt that. Only rarely do people who have been charged with a major crime whether having admitted it or not plead guilty or no contest.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
37. maybe, maybe not
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:56 AM
Jun 2015

Plenty of people that have admitted perpetuating a crime, particularly the crime of murder, still plead not guilty and go through trial. In all likelihood, Roof will plead not guilty by reason of insanity. If not that than be assured his attorney will use some other reason or a variety of them. Any defense attorney would do their utmost to convince their client to plead not guilty since their job is to try to get them off... and very often it works. If not the defense attorney needing to convince their client to plead not guilty, clearly, most people that are guilty of crimes want to get away with them and at least go through trial to attempt that. Only rarely do people who have been charged with a major crime whether having admitted it or not plead guilty or no contest.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
12. How did he stay on the bench? ? We have to get these racists out of government positions!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jun 2015

Yes, people should live in fear of saying the wrong thing that might get them fired if they hold government positions. Trump should be DISQUALIFIED after his racist rant. They love zero tolerance policies when it comes to us, we need to turn zero tolerance on them. You use racists words and you hold a position with government, you're out!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. I wonder how he is planning to screw up the prosecution? He won't be hearing the
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

case, yes? This is way early...

catrose

(5,071 posts)
18. I gave him the benefit of the doubt
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jun 2015

Because having a family member in prison is hard on the family in many ways. I thought perhaps he was trying to point out to the man (who obviously cared nothing for the people he killed or their families) that he (murderer) had wounded his own family, about whom he might be supposed to care, but after reading this…

Nah

moondust

(20,001 posts)
19. Why grant bond for a confessed murderer of nine?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

Seems odd to me. Would he do the same if the defendent was black?

moondust

(20,001 posts)
24. Hell yes.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jun 2015

I wonder if there's a GoFundMe account set up by Stormfront or somebody to raise the money to whisk him away.

That's gotta constitute public endangerment or something. WTF is that judge thinking?

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
30. Exactly.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:03 AM
Jun 2015

Not only that, but he left after his crime and had to be apprehended in another state. He is a definite flight risk.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
33. No bond for the murder charges, only for the weapon charge, I think.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:16 AM
Jun 2015

So, the bond was useless. Just a formality.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
35. The defendant is not going to get a bond
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:19 AM
Jun 2015

Even from this judge. He fled to another state to start with. I'd be shocked if he is able to get out on bail even from this judge.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
25. Why he's just a harmless, god fearin' good ole boy.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:42 AM
Jun 2015

They don't never mean no harm.

Hey, this IS SC. Just a few miles over the border in NC, Magistrates can excuse themselves from having to marry those evil gay and mixed couples. In all honesty, they should be fired or forced resign if they can't uphold the law.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
26. No business being ont he bench.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

IMO excellent case to be federalized as a terrorism/hate crime/civil rights case.

Cha

(297,421 posts)
32. And, another fucking racist judge on parade.. yeah, "this country has overcome racism".. uh huh.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Can't believe I am seeing the bright side of this but
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:17 AM
Jun 2015

at least it led to a disciplinary hearing. In a state you might have thought it might not have any adverse consequences.

 

CTBlueboy

(154 posts)
39. No suprised
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jun 2015

The KKK doesn't wear white hoods anymore they wear ties in congress, sit on benches as Judges and are cops


Lady Justice is not blind she just serves who she wants

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