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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDylan Roof's judge was disciplined for using n-word in hearing.
harleston County Magistrate James B. Gosnell began Fridays bond hearing for mass-murderer Dylann Roof by declaring that the killers family members were victims as well.
At least he did not repeat an opinion that he offered in another proceeding a dozen years ago.
There are four kinds of people in this worldblack people, white people, red necks, and n---rs, Gosnell advised a black defendant in a November 6, 2003 bond reduction hearing.
The comment led to a judicial disciplinary proceeding and a 2005 determination by the state Supreme Court. The courts written finding reports Gosnells lame defense.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/19/racist-talk-from-dylann-roof-s-judge.html
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I thought he shouldn't have been judge for this hearing. Now, I think he should just not be a judge. What a racist ass hat.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Riiiiiiiight. Luck of the draw.
still_one
(92,302 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)Unless it is a federal employee.
still_one
(92,302 posts)terrorism
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)And basically an assassination of an elected official. Not a federal official, but still, I would think that would bring the feds in? I don't know though. Just thinking out loud. (not really out loud, but yaknowwhatImean)
still_one
(92,302 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)what does hate crime have to do with it? Do you really think he will have a harsher sentence if he is convicted of a hate crime?
still_one
(92,302 posts)Specifically at a group of people because of their race. Also, the specific judge over seeing the case has made some questionable statements.
Yes, I think it is important that the Feds get involved
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The murders are dealt with by the state. Afterward, the hate crime is dealt with by the Federal court. The Federal court does not "take over" cases of murder, etc. that are the jurisdiction of the state whether the case included a hate crime or not. The murder charges are the jurisdiction of the state in this case, and only the hate crime aspect of it is the jurisdiction of the Federal court.
The Feds are called in to help with the investigation of all kinds of cases that are still the jurisdiction of the state. The fact that they are helping with the investigation doesn't mean that they are "taking over" the case - they can't and aren't.
States deal with certain types of cases and even certain aspects of certain cases. The Federal court does the same. Neither one is more harsh than the other, and considering the death penalty many states are too harsh as it is. Even if for some reason the Federal court dealt with a murder case (like if the murderer was a Federal employee as noted in an above post) it isn't more or less harsh than the state... and considering the state these murders occurred in, the result is likely going to be the death penalty which is more harsh than any of the states should have the right to impose.
former9thward
(32,046 posts)The feds can't intervene in a state murder case. And do you really think whatever penalty he gets for a hate crime would mean anything compared to a sentence for killing 9 people?
olddots
(10,237 posts)I cannot let this slip unnoticed.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)mvd
(65,178 posts)Important that this gets noticed
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)Guilt or innocence is not the issue here.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)And what is the point? This trial will only be about his sentence, nothing else.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Plenty of people that have admitted perpetuating a crime, particularly the crime of murder, still plead not guilty and go through trial. In all likelihood, Roof will plead not guilty by reason of insanity. If not that than be assured his attorney will use some other reason or a variety of them. Any defense attorney would do their utmost to convince their client to plead not guilty since their job is to try to get them off... and very often it works. If not the defense attorney needing to convince their client to plead not guilty, clearly, most people that are guilty of crimes want to get away with them and at least go through trial to attempt that. Only rarely do people who have been charged with a major crime whether having admitted it or not plead guilty or no contest.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Plenty of people that have admitted perpetuating a crime, particularly the crime of murder, still plead not guilty and go through trial. In all likelihood, Roof will plead not guilty by reason of insanity. If not that than be assured his attorney will use some other reason or a variety of them. Any defense attorney would do their utmost to convince their client to plead not guilty since their job is to try to get them off... and very often it works. If not the defense attorney needing to convince their client to plead not guilty, clearly, most people that are guilty of crimes want to get away with them and at least go through trial to attempt that. Only rarely do people who have been charged with a major crime whether having admitted it or not plead guilty or no contest.
kairos12
(12,863 posts)prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Yes, people should live in fear of saying the wrong thing that might get them fired if they hold government positions. Trump should be DISQUALIFIED after his racist rant. They love zero tolerance policies when it comes to us, we need to turn zero tolerance on them. You use racists words and you hold a position with government, you're out!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)case, yes? This is way early...
catrose
(5,071 posts)Because having a family member in prison is hard on the family in many ways. I thought perhaps he was trying to point out to the man (who obviously cared nothing for the people he killed or their families) that he (murderer) had wounded his own family, about whom he might be supposed to care, but after reading this
Nah
moondust
(20,001 posts)Seems odd to me. Would he do the same if the defendent was black?
RandySF
(59,031 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)moondust
(20,001 posts)I wonder if there's a GoFundMe account set up by Stormfront or somebody to raise the money to whisk him away.
That's gotta constitute public endangerment or something. WTF is that judge thinking?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Not only that, but he left after his crime and had to be apprehended in another state. He is a definite flight risk.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)So, the bond was useless. Just a formality.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Even from this judge. He fled to another state to start with. I'd be shocked if he is able to get out on bail even from this judge.
UTUSN
(70,720 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)They don't never mean no harm.
Hey, this IS SC. Just a few miles over the border in NC, Magistrates can excuse themselves from having to marry those evil gay and mixed couples. In all honesty, they should be fired or forced resign if they can't uphold the law.
PufPuf23
(8,802 posts)IMO excellent case to be federalized as a terrorism/hate crime/civil rights case.
Cha
(297,421 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)at least it led to a disciplinary hearing. In a state you might have thought it might not have any adverse consequences.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)CTBlueboy
(154 posts)The KKK doesn't wear white hoods anymore they wear ties in congress, sit on benches as Judges and are cops
Lady Justice is not blind she just serves who she wants