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http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/Today in New York City, Hillary Rodham Clinton announced that she is officially a candidate for the 2016 presidential campaign. While many people are excited about the prospect of the first woman president, I think that a Hillary Clinton presidency will be another in a long series of triumphs for white, corporate feminism and defeats for racial justice.
Heres a very incomplete, yet still telling, run-down on Clintons résumé to date:
*Despite trumpeting her work on behalf of mothers and children, she and her husband worked to reduce federal assistance to women and children living in poverty. In her book, Living History, Clinton touts her role: By the time Bill and I left the White House, welfare rolls had dropped 60 percent. This 60% drop was not due to a 60% decrease in poverty. Instead, it was a reduction in federal benefits to those living in poverty, many of them working poor, like those employed at Wal-Mart.
*Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart between 1986 and 1992, where she says she learned a lot from Sam Walton, and she remained silent while the corporation fought the unionization of its workers.
*In Michelle Alexanders book, The New Jim Crow, she notes that it was Hillary Clinton who lobbied Congress to expand the drug war and mass incarceration in ways that we continue to live with today, and that have a significantly more harmful impact on black and brown people than white people. According to The Drug Policy Alliance, people of color are much more likely to be stopped, searched, arrested, convicted, harshly sentenced and saddled with a lifelong criminal record due to being unfairly targeted for drug law violations. Even though white people and people of color use drugs at about the same rates, it is black and brown peoples bodies that continue to fuel the machine of mass incarceration.
*As Secretary of State, Clinton left a legacy that included both a hawkish inclination to recommend the use of military force coupled with turning the state department into a machine for promoting U.S. business. This does not bode well for black and brown people in other parts of the world, since the US is not likely to attack Western Europe under a (second) Clinton presidency, but some region of the world with people who do not have light-colored skin tones.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... groups like the GOP has.
There's no way any progressive worth their salt are going to take seriously that any of the candidates have a GOP size issue with POC...
There are people who look like they have a Tin ear towards issues people of color face but that's not Hillary
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Simply having a receptive ear, not saying the "N" word and spouting sensitivity to the issues of people of color does not make up for enacting policies that are deleterious to the very people that one purports to be serving.
That is the kind way of saying "Money talks, bullshit walks".
If there were not more black people in prison as a result of the Drug War imposed by the Clintons (Yeah, I know it was Bill, I also know that Hillary was not a stay at home cookie-making mom and likes to boast of her strong influence.), more dead brown people (in the millions) as the result of war and embargoes, then I might be inclined to just leave it at "Yup, she's real nice to black folk!"
That isn't the case though. Policies matter.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)but sneaks out of the bad ones.
A strong woman like her would surely make it clear how opposed she is to her husband's policies if that was how she felt, no?
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)She argued in 2008 that she told Bill NAFTA was a bad idea, then switched positions and suddenly she was for it, and in 2008 she had yet another epiphany and quickly turned against it.
IN her own words, By the time Bill and I left the White House, welfare rolls had dropped 60 percent.
Sounds like she's taking credit to me.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... two beings.
She's her own person and of course I'd tout the good things
Clinton was a damn good presidents as have all liberal presidents I know of in the last century have been.
I pray she doesn't go the way of the Gore campaign and distance herself away from the good her husband and Obama have done...
That's stupid...
She should be running next to success which is what the last two democratic presidents economically have been for the most part
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)We are in the economic mess we are in today. He rode a bubble that burst beneath him just as he was getting ready to leave office.
Everyone complains of Bush's economic failures, but I truly believe that Bill would have pushed the housing bubble too.
Is she running as her own person and on her own achievements, or running next to Bill's success? You can't have it both ways.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... do with the deficit changing and a stronger dollar
sigh...
...and now Clinton ecomically is worse that Bush or on par!?!?!?
This is not redstate.com
There is no "both ways" she can be her own person while touting the success of people who think like her
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Maybe you should ask her
CONCORD, N.H., Dec. 21 -- After months of discussion within her campaign over how heavily she should draw on her husband's legacy, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is closing out her Iowa and New Hampshire campaigns in a tight embrace of Bill Clinton's record, helping fuel a debate about the 1990s with Sen. Barack Obama that she thinks she can win.
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Both Clintons are making the case that theirs was a co-presidency -- an echo of Bill Clinton's controversial statement during the 1992 campaign that voters would get "two for the price of one" if they elected him. At times, the former president has seemed to cast the current race as a referendum on his administration.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102588.html
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)...conflates two people and intimates they're of the same mind which is stupid.
Hillary Clinton can make policy without Bill Clinton... who, btw... like all liberal presidents, was a damn good president
okasha
(11,573 posts)A wife has no existence apart from her husband. If he thought X, clearly she thinks X, too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)she's approved of his Presidency and many of his individual policies. For a fourth, they've worked as a team. See also,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778412
This whole notion that they are entirely different is a fairy tale.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... a damn hive mind is laughable and Clinton was a damn good president as most liberal presidents are and had his warts as most people do.
Hopefully she'll do 90% of what her husband did as a liberal president while changing a thing or two to make things better.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's a lot better reasoned and better supported than your conclusory claims that they're very different, though. And nothing in that post was irrational.
They sold themselves as a team, as getting two for one. They are still sometimes sold that way. And, since repeating the same claim seems to be the order of the day, she also endorsed a lot of his policies, like NAFTA. Sorry they don't get to be very different only when it's convenient and "two for the price of one" when that's more convenient.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... guy.
Stupid article, Clinton being a damn good president I pray that she does do some things that Bill did and take out the bad learning from the past.
A husband and wife have to "sell" themselves as a team, damn well better be a team... I'd not want to vote for anyone who has a life partner that fights against them when they get the chance!!!
Even if they weren't sold as a "team" (whatever that means now) you expect her to come out openly against every policy he enacts at that time so she can distance herself from the ones she doesn't agree with arbitrarily?!
This line of thinking seems nonsensical at best...
Clinton = Damn good president, like most of the liberal presidents have been
This seems to be picking fly shit from pepper
merrily
(45,251 posts)uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... but not the same person.
What, she's now going to have to check with her husband or something in making policy!?
I don't like this article at all
merrily
(45,251 posts)have nothing to do with what I actually posted.
uponit7771
(90,355 posts)... that they're a "two for one" deal as if they were supposed to be a two headed hydra or some shit.
They were a team HOPEFULLY, they were supposed to go into the white house as a team...
The article is being redundent at best and stating somethings that's normal as an issue of sorts
merrily
(45,251 posts)However, I very much doubt the OP article says they are the same person, either. That is, as I said, a hyberbolic talking point.
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Divernan
(15,480 posts)I have done a lot of research for my various jobs (over 4 decades) as NIMH Felllow & researcher, sociology & law professor and trial and legislative attorney. If you were briefing the issue, as in Brief in Support of Motion that HRC endorsed and enabled her husband's actions as POTUS, any judge would rule in your favor.
I am thankful for the time and efforts you put forth on DU to shine the light of truth on the debate between the Sanders and Clinton supporters. Your fact-based and thoroughly documented posts stand in stark contrast to the increasingly desperate posts by HRC supporters, which are at best exaggerated and at worst totally undocumented wishful claims.
While those few hundreds of us who post on this primary struggle will not likely change each other's commitments, there are thousands of undecideds, uncommitted people reading our posts, and I expect their choices will be based on facts presented in OPs like yours!
merrily
(45,251 posts)research. The campaign buttons were all on ebay when I wrote the post. (I hope they're still showing up. I didn't checked.
I think those buttons also suggest they were planning to go for first woman President for a long time. And, when she ran for Senate, some of her campaign buttons said New York, but some said Hillary for America.
I hope we help make up some minds, but mostly, I'm preaching to the choir. They may be able to make use of some of those facts in the real world.
Thanks again for your kind words. Very much appreciated.
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)be asked what her advise was on various issues. Indeed much of it is known already.
merrily
(45,251 posts)She said her constituency was "hard working white people."
Her fake Southern accent when she speaks to predominantly African American audiences doesn't do much for me either. Neither did her comparing being a United States Senator to working on a plantation.
Sorry, denial on the part of her fans doesn't do it. There are news stories and videos out there a-plenty.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)marble falls
(57,154 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)For example, white women are by far not the only ones who need, and should have, control over their own bodies.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but this is a common and fair criticism of feminism. Historically white (and particularly wealthy) feminists were helped while their nannies and housekeepers were left out.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bodies, you are affecting all women. When you fight to save the last abortion clinic in a state, you are affecting all women in that state. And so one.
Obviously, I am not a Hillary supporter, but I am trying to be fair. The women's issues she champions affect all women.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I don't know what the breakdown is, as far as if the women's movement ignored women of color (as it did for a long time) how much women of color would be helped vs. how much they'd be left behind. I just know I've read a lot about this issue, and it's not an uncommon or unfair criticism.
merrily
(45,251 posts)just an attempt to be fair to Hillary. AFAIK, at no time did she distinguish between white women and other women.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)it sounds like you are uncomfortable with the coalition many women and many people of color have built.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)I have yet to hear a unified voice from women. I am the only blood born boy in my family on my mom's side after my grandfather. 3 aunts, 17 female cousins and 4 sisters, all born and raised in Chicago; only two of which would follow Hillary's idea of feminism. Not surprisingly, those 2 are the same demographic ad Hillary - white, female and late 60s.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)or you would have seen the word "many."
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)If you did, then my question stands.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)have formed a coalition. That is an explicit statement that it isn't all women or all people of color.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Coalitions that are speaking for women and PoC.
If you're using words like coalition, you need to quantify it, or at least qualify it with organizations.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)But it's a game, it's not the standard defintion of "coalition," and you know exactly what I mean. Polls show that majority of women, and a majority of people of color, are going to vote for Clinton. I am a woman who is not part of that voting block, but I still recognize it exists. Pretending it isn't there isn't helping you or Sanders.
co·a·li·tion (kō′ə-lĭsh′ən)
n.
1. An alliance, especially a temporary one, of people, factions, parties, or nations.
2. A combination into one body; a union.
3.
a. A long-term cooperative alliance among a small number of male lions or cheetahs, especially to gain access to females or territory.
b. A transitory association of animals of the same species in which members join forces against another animal or animals to defend against an attack or gain access to a resource.
[French, from Medieval Latin coalitiō, coalitiōn-, from Latin coalitus, past participle of coalēscere, to grow together; see coalesce.]
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Exists isn't helping you or Hillary.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'd vote for O'Malley first. I have no agenda other than reality.
However, I am a Red Wings fan.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It took me a long time to realize it put many of the most steadfast supporters of Womens rights happen to be POC. And vice versa. There's a bond in the commonality of experiences- and how many of those experiences are downplayed and minimized here. Funny that the OP would call himself out this way.
Anyway, this aligns pretty closely to my real life experiences- particularly at school and work as well. Not sure why this would surprise anyone?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)I literally only know two people supporting Hillary, and they have the exact same background as Hillary - white, female and privileged.
I have many friends who are PoC and active in politics, and not a single one says they are supporting Hillary.
Where are these people outside of DU?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And that's exactly why a bond exists- the shared experiences of having your experiences and issues downplayed. Feels like we're going in a circle. But maybe it's because you are viewing this through a Hillary lens?
I'm a product of very diverse and borderline impoverished enviornment where we were told were all we should finally have equal opportunity. We could see the pushback all around us. We could see a lot of people fighting to minimize our concerns and preserve the status quo. When you look around saying WTF? You notice others doing the same. Whether the OP likes it or not, there's a commonality of experience many of us speak from. He was never considered a second class citizen, and I am pretty sure he would like us to forget we were for far too long.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Where is this coalition?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Believe me I get it. Keep
Scratching your head when looking at voting patterns and wondering why. I don't need to.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)coalition is a real coalition.
So again, I ask, who is this coalition?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It didn't go so well there either.
I was told (by another white guy- who also hates HOF- coincidentally!) I wasn't allowed to speak up for POC ever. I have had occasion to - particularly at work because I was a senior employee.
Fuck anyone who plays a game trying to bad mouth someone for doing the right thing.
Maybe if they ever stuck their neck our for someone theyd know how childish this argument is. Apparently looking the other way is better in their books. That explains alot.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)non-Black (I presume) posters that seem, by their posts, to "get" what the Black DUers have been saying, all along. I do so, in order to correct any misinterpretation. But, interestingly, I have had very little to correct. It seems that what we have been saying is not that hard to understand. Go figure.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)...minorities stand ready to clasp Hillary to their collective bosoms and to express their undying love to her by running through the streets singing hosanna to the highest.
merrily
(45,251 posts)We read the news every day. Most people do not.
Even if they do, they don't necessarily break it all down as much as we do, or get articles from several sources on the same issue or event.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Senator Bernie Sanders.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)unsurprisingly, the site's operators view "social justice" through an economic primacy and individual rights perspective, condemning HRC, not for her positions she takes today; but, for things her husband did and what she didn't do 30 years ago (e.g., welfare reform, the war of drugs, her seat on Walmart's board).
And oh yeah ... Why are you being divisive; trying to drive a wedge between women and PoC?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The sincerity of his concern drips like melted ice cream...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Agreed.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)bring labor to its knees. So yeah, preserving our ability to collectively bargain is a priority of mine.
If Bernie gains the candidacy, I will eat any hat of your choosing. I wish we lived in a country where he wins. I don't think we do.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)a choice.
Supporting the corporatist candidate over the socialist, at this juncture, speaks for itself.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There are a metric shit ton of Bernie supporters here who have never given a shit about unions or socialism before this year. Things that make you go hmmmm
Romulox
(25,960 posts)one.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I disagree. Wavy bye bye.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I believe I stated that Rom. Your grasp of the obvious is impressive.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Stick to your area of expertise, I always say.
I know who my union allies are here, and several posters here who support another candidate have been most vocal trashing teachers unions for years. Speaks volumes.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)And btw: my comments, all those years ago, were that teachers (such as yourself) shouldn't expect support from workers, if teachers won't support other workers (e.g. by supporting corporations' candidate over the more progressive candidate.)
And lookee here! You're supporting the candidate from Goldman Sachs because you (wrongly) think you'll be rewarded for betraying your fellow workers. So who was right, and who was wrong?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)from labor next year, I'm sure we will see your full-throated OPs on the subject. I'm sure you will show us all how it's done.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Seriously. You need to rethink your positions.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)When I believe Bernie has a chance in heck of stopping the erosion of working class gains by getting elected, I will do that. I don't right now.
When I see his supporters actually support labor and social justice, two cornerstones of any serious push for socialism, I might take his campaign seriously.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)more telling than campaign rhetoric.
Funny, her supporters thought an essay Sanders wrote 43 years ago was more telling than his 100% record during his entire political career.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)BErie supporters feel the need to inject him and/or attacks on HRC (or her suppoters) in every single post, as if that gIves more credence to their post.
I was referring to the OP, and the OP only.
merrily
(45,251 posts)fact that I mentioned Bernie because the double standard was so glaring. For Hillary, we can't look past campaign rhetoric. For Bernie, we can go back 43 years and ignore everything after that. And, if I may, that's a odd reply from ror someone who's undecided.
That said, I still made a point about her careers. It speaks louder than campaign rhetoric.
ETA: You do know that I am an individual, right? I am not posting in concert with anyone. And I've made tons of posts without mentioning both candidates. If you have something to say about me or my posts, fair enough. I am not the poster child for all Bernie posters though.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And you do this what? 60 times a day or so?
Pffff...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Moreover, if you count how many times Bernie's supporters have been referred to on this board vs. how many times Hillary's supporters have been referred to, you will probably find that the former happens much more, even though Hillary's supporters seem to be a minority on this board.
And, while it's flattering to have so many of you want to comment on my post, it really is better if you focus more on substance than on your fellow posters.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Good on ya...
Keep on Keeping on...
Whatever floats your boat....
merrily
(45,251 posts)Every reply to me since then, including yours, has had zero relevance to the thread topic, just comments about me.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Everyone can see the way the discussion actually unfolded.
This is the post you replied to:
unsurprisingly, the site's operators view "social justice" through an economic primacy and individual rights perspective, condemning HRC, not for her positions she takes today; but, for things her husband did and what she didn't do 30 years ago (e.g., welfare reform, the war of drugs, her seat on Walmart's board).
And oh yeah ... Why are you being divisive; trying to drive a wedge between women and PoC?
This was your reply:
Funny, her supporters thought an essay Sanders wrote 43 years ago was more telling than his 100% record during his entire political career.
Quit playing innocent. You got back what you gave. It happens. Sometimes others will come along and point out when it does.
merrily
(45,251 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)except me. I'm flattered, but try posting on the thread topic more. Who knows? You might like it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And you really shouldn't be flattered.
merrily
(45,251 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Funny, her supporters..."
No doubt the irrational mind allows a handful of examples to act as the standard. Well, irrational or simply biased; but I repeat myself...
Funny, part two.
merrily
(45,251 posts)biased against Hillary. I have three reasons why she is not my candidate, and none of them are the result of anything but her own acts and omissions.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Another broad brush treatment of "her supporters."
merrily
(45,251 posts)By the way, my statement was accurate as far as DU. A search of DU will tell you that.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... to deal with it in this thread.
But are you really trying the "everybody else is doing it" defense? I don't accept that from my teenage daughter. She's old enough to know better.
I prefer Hillary as my candidate, but will support Bernie as best as I can if he gets the nomination.
merrily
(45,251 posts)comparing me to your teenage daughter? LOL!
I recommend you post on the thread topic instead of about me.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Keep trying.
Sid
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Highly recommended.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...and closes the door further to upward mobility.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)like Hillary is speaking up on these issues. She has also worked hard for Civil Rights and though it may surprise some, she has the ability to handle more than one issue making her very qualified to be president.
It wasn't until the seventies women was given the opportunity in many states to get jobs once reserved for males. It was in the fifties integration started happening in the south and more in the sixties.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)I hope for your support in the future. White feminism is indeed a topic that needs scrutiny--next time I start a thread on it in HOF, feel free to add your voice.
Meanwhile Clinton's campaign to help women and girls all around the world is in full swing. I hope for your support with this as well seeing how you care about women and women of color.
- See more at: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/no-ceilings-full-participation-project/programs/background-no-ceilings#sthash.jN4uQEuz.dpuf
Beacool
(30,250 posts)In response to my post about Hillary Rodham Clinton the other day, several people including Rebecca Spiff, in comments here wrote to remind me that President Obama has been pretty terrible on a number of racial justice issues. Fair enough. I thought it was worth taking a look at some of what Obamas done and what the landscape of racial justice looks like as he leaves office.
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/14/racial-justice-after-obama/
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)rather than this pathetic little bit of divide and conquer.