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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:38 PM Jun 2015

NY Times: Right-Wing Terrorists kill more people in US than Muslim extremists

.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/19/1394617/-NY-Times-Right-Wing-Terrorists-kill-more-people-in-US-than-Muslim-extremists

Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.

In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.

On June 16th, two days before the mass shooting at Emanuel AME church, the NY Times ran a story on how right-wing terrorism is currently a greater threat within the US than attacks by radicalized Islamists. The story was titled: The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat and quoted many law enforcement officials who highlighted the threat. In the wake of the massacre in Charleston, the story takes on additional resonance. All emphasis is mine:

An officer from a large metropolitan area said that “militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens” are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because “it is an emerging threat that we don’t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.” An officer on the West Coast explained that the “sovereign citizen” anti-government threat has “really taken off,” whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something “we just haven’t experienced yet.”

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NY Times: Right-Wing Terrorists kill more people in US than Muslim extremists (Original Post) eridani Jun 2015 OP
K&R Number23 Jun 2015 #1
"Right-wing Terrorists" Nite Owl Jun 2015 #2
This is from 2012 but still relevant octoberlib Jun 2015 #3
RW Terrorists are also the ones trying to put their religion into law cui bono Jun 2015 #4
"right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11" napkinz Jun 2015 #5
okay, what the hell happened to the nyt that it is actually reporting news???? niyad Jun 2015 #6
So the 3000 deaths on 9/11 don't count, for some reason? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #7
Their analysis was based on data post-9/11. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #9
k&r... spanone Jun 2015 #8
Another reference eridani Jun 2015 #10

Number23

(24,544 posts)
1. K&R
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jun 2015
In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?_r=0

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
2. "Right-wing Terrorists"
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

I am surprised that they actually labeled it that way. We know that it is the right wing but the media doesn't usually say it. Napolitano said something like that when she was a part of the cabinet but had to withdraw it.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
3. This is from 2012 but still relevant
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jun 2015

DHS CRUSHED THIS ANALYST FOR WARNING ABOUT FAR-RIGHT TERROR


He spent 15 years studying domestic terrorist groups — particularly white supremacists and neo-Nazis — as a government counterterrorism analyst, the last six of them at the Department of Homeland Security. There, he even homebrewed his own database on far-right extremist groups on an Oracle platform, allowing his analysts to compile and sift reporting in the media and other law-enforcement agencies on radical and potentially violent groups.

But Johnson’s career took an unexpected turn in 2009, when an analysis he wrote on the rise of “Right-Wing Extremism” (.pdf) sparked a political controversy. Under pressure from conservatives, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) repudiated Johnson’s paper — an especially bitter pill for him to swallow now that Wade Michael Page, a suspected white supremacist, killed at least six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. For Johnson, the shooting was a reminder that the government’s counterterrorism efforts are almost exclusively focused on al-Qaida, even as non-Islamist groups threaten Americans domestically.

“DHS is scoffing at the mission of doing domestic counterterrorism, as is Congress,” Johnson tells Danger Room. “There’ve been no hearings about the rising white supremacist threat, but there’s been a long list of attacks over the last few years. But they still hold hearings about Muslim extremism. It’s out of balance.”


Then, in April 2009, Johnson warned that the election of the first African-American president, combined with recession-era economic anxieties, could fuel a rise in far-right violence. “DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities,” he wrote.And so began a brief media firestorm. Conservative writers feared that the DHS was demonizing — even, potentially, criminalizing — mainstream right-wing speech. “It’s no small coincidence that [Secretary Janet] Napolitano’s agency disseminated the assessment just a week before the nationwide April 15 Tax Day Tea Party protests,” pundit Michelle Malkin speculated in the Washington Times. Others objected that Johnson’s report unfairly stigmatized veterans.According to Johnson, his former team now consists of a single analyst tasked with tracking all domestic non-Islamic extremism. His database has been shuttered.

http://www.wired.com/2012/08/dhs/


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
4. RW Terrorists are also the ones trying to put their religion into law
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

yet they cry out about sharia law.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. So the 3000 deaths on 9/11 don't count, for some reason?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jun 2015

Kind of like analyzing fatalities caused by the Nazis but picking 1946 as the starting point.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
9. Their analysis was based on data post-9/11.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

If you took the 13.5 years and added that 1 single day, the data would be wildly skewed. What we call "damn statistics".

eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. Another reference
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:52 AM
Jun 2015
White Americans Are Biggest Terror Threat in US: Study

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30916-white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-in-us-study

White Americans are the biggest terror threat in the United States, according to a study by the New America Foundation. The Washington-based research organization did a review of “terror” attacks on US soil since Sept. 11, 2001 and found that most of them were carried out by radical anti-government groups or white supremacists.

Almost twice as many people have died in attacks by right-wing groups in America than have died in attacks by Muslim extremists. Of the 26 attacks since 9/11 that the group defined as terror, 19 were carried out by non-Muslims. Yet there are no white Americans languishing inside the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay. And there are no drones dropping bombs on gatherings of military-age males in the country's lawless border regions.

Attacks by right-wing groups get comparatively little coverage in the news media. Most people will struggle to remember the shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin that killed six people in 2012. A man who associated with neo-Nazi groups carried out that shooting. There was also the married couple in Las Vegas who walked into a pizza shop and murdered two police officers. They left a swastika on one of the bodies before killing a third person in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Such attacks are not limited to one part of the country. In 2011, two white supremacists went on a shooting spree in the Pacific Northwest, killing four people.

Terrorism is hard to define. But here is its basic meaning: ideological violence. In its study, the New America Foundation took a narrow view of what could be considered a terror attack. Most mass shootings, for instance, like Sandy Hook or the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting — both in 2012 — weren't included. Also not included was the killing of three Muslim students in North Carolina earlier this year. The shooter was a neighbor and had strong opinions about religion. But he also had strong opinions about parking spaces and a history of anger issues. So that shooting was left off the list.

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