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Please DU this poll: Should Virginia governor phase out the Confederate flag from license plates (Original Post) emsimon33 Jun 2015 OP
Per MSNBC he already did yesterday upaloopa Jun 2015 #1
needs help Gothmog Jun 2015 #2
No HassleCat Jun 2015 #3
Wrong, a bumper sticker is a personal statement. A registered license plate is State Issued ID. FSogol Jun 2015 #7
the Supreme Court ruled otherwise last week JustinL Jun 2015 #9
I agree HassleCat Jun 2015 #10
I'd be fine with no specialty plates, but it isn't always wrong for the state to endorse a viewpoint JustinL Jun 2015 #11
It's supposed to be already a done deal herding cats Jun 2015 #4
Did you read some of the responses choie Jun 2015 #5
Yes 46%. No 52%. femmocrat Jun 2015 #6
Done. Still at 46%. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #8

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Per MSNBC he already did yesterday
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jun 2015

They are going to send new license plates to the approx 1,800 plate holders

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. No
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jun 2015

The license plate is an individual statement, not an official endorsement. Virginia allows all sorts of special plates, including a "Parrothead" design for Jimmy Buffett fans. If people want to roll down the highway with a license plate that says, "Hi y'all! I'm an ignorant bigot!" that's their right under the 1st Amendment.

FSogol

(45,491 posts)
7. Wrong, a bumper sticker is a personal statement. A registered license plate is State Issued ID.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

No need for the state to lend legitimacy to crappy causes. The Supreme Court recently agreed.

JustinL

(722 posts)
9. the Supreme Court ruled otherwise last week
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-144_758b.pdf

Texas offers automobile owners a choice between general-issue and specialty license plates. Those who want the State to issue a particular specialty plate may propose a plate design, comprising a slogan, a graphic, or both. If the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles Board approves the design, the State will make it available for display on vehicles registered in Texas. Here, the Texas Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and its officers (collectively SCV) filed suit against the Chairman and members of the Board (collectively Board), arguing that the Board’s rejection of SCV’s proposal for a specialty plate design featuring a Confederate battle flag violated the Free Speech Clause. The District Court entered judgment for the Board, but the Fifth Circuit reversed, holding that Texas’s specialty license plate designs are private speech and that the Board engaged in constitutionally forbidden viewpoint discrimination when it refused to approve SCV’s design.
Held: Texas’s specialty license plate designs constitute government speech, and thus Texas was entitled to refuse to issue plates featuring SCV’s proposed design. Pp. 5–18.

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This final approval authority allows Texas to choose how to present itself and its constituency. Thus, Texas offers plates celebrating the many educational institutions attended by its citizens. See Tex. Transp. Code Ann. §504.615. But it need not issue plates deriding schooling. Texas offers plates that pay tribute to the Texas citrus industry. See §504.626. But it need not issue plates praising Florida’s oranges as far better. And Texas offers plates that say “Fight Terrorism.” See §504.647. But it need not issue plates promoting al Qaeda.


If someone wants to display a Confederate flag or a pro-al Qaeda statement on their vehicle, they can get a bumper sticker.
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
10. I agree
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

I think all states should discontinue everything but vanity plates, where it's clear no state endorsement or support is implied. In the case of Virginia, they have about a million different designs, but they're still in the business of deciding what is "worthy" and what is not. As long as they do that, the design represents an official endorsement, so they need to quit doing that. It's too bad, since some perfectly good things would be thrown out along with the rebel flag.

JustinL

(722 posts)
11. I'd be fine with no specialty plates, but it isn't always wrong for the state to endorse a viewpoint
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015

For example, the state can certainly endorse constitutional democracy over dictatorship, or tolerance over bigotry. From the Supreme Court's decision in the Texas case:

Were the Free Speech Clause interpreted otherwise, government would not work. How could a city government create a successful recycling program if officials, when writing householders asking them to recycle cans and bottles, had to include in the letter a long plea from the local trash disposal enterprise demanding the contrary? How could a state government effectively develop programs designed to encourage and provide vaccinations, if officials also had to voice the perspective of those who oppose this type of immunization? “(I)t is not easy to imagine how government could function if it lacked th(e) freedom” to select the messages it wishes to convey. Summum, supra, at 468.
We have therefore refused “(t)o hold that the Government unconstitutionally discriminates on the basis of viewpoint when it chooses to fund a program dedicated to advance certain permissible goals, because the program in advancing those goals necessarily discourages alternative goals.” Rust v. Sullivan, 500 U. S. 173, 194 (1991). We have pointed out that a contrary holding “would render numerous Government programs constitutionally suspect.” Ibid. Cf. Keller v. State Bar of Cal., 496 U. S. 1, 12– 13 (1990) (“If every citizen were to have a right to insist that no one paid by public funds express a view with which he disagreed, debate over issues of great concern to the public would be limited to those in the private sector, and the process of government as we know it radically transformed”). And we have made clear that “the government can speak for itself.” Southworth, supra, at 229.
That is not to say that a government’s ability to express itself is without restriction. Constitutional and statutory provisions outside of the Free Speech Clause may limit government speech. Summum, supra, at 468. And the Free Speech Clause itself may constrain the government’s speech if, for example, the government seeks to compel private persons to convey the government’s speech. But, as a general matter, when the government speaks it is entitled to promote a program, to espouse a policy, or to take a position. In doing so, it represents its citizens and it carries out its duties on their behalf.
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