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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:21 PM Jun 2015

How Republicans pulled a fast one with the Confederate flag. (Guns guns and more guns)

It's the capture-the-flag you never saw coming.

In a shrewdly mapped play, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley's (R) call to remove the flapping Confederate rebel jack from state capitol grounds suddenly prompted an entire party to reverse course on the issue. And after years of happily whistling political Dixie as part of its mad racial plan for Southern domination, the Republican Party backed away from this in an unprecedentedly humble about face. If presidential hopeful and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was calling it a non-issue on Sunday, there's now a good chance he might find a convenient backtrack moment by week's end.

The zeitgeist could hardly contain its excitement. Social media blew up into a hashtagging mess of victory laps. The ground-bolted flag, mind you, is still flapping, with no formal agreement or timeline (yet) of its final demise. Still, as historically hardheaded as South Carolina is (defiant and anti-federalist since national birth), the assumption is that the simple act of public contrition from state Republican leaders is in and of itself a remarkable feat.
But don't let hastily announced pressers and momentary Kumbaya in the wake of last week's horrific Charleston, S.C. terrorist attack fool you. Guided by Haley's gifted political hand, Republicans just pulled one of the most clever optical okey-dokeys in recent memory, capturing the flag, running across the field and waving it — in our collective face. Here are five reasons why it's not all what it seems:

Keep talking about flags, so long as you're not talking about guns. Philosophy professor and gun policy expert Firmin Debrabander threw a heavy dose of skepticism on the flag talk as we discussed it during a recent radio conversation on Baltimore-based WYPR-FM: The more we keep focus on the rebel flag, the less we're talking about gun control, just as the National Rifle Association (NRA) wants. Hence, Haley may have just engineered a spectacular solid for one of her more ardent political supporters. More talk about the rebel jack, conveniently stretching its shelf life on the news cycle, keeps the spotlight off gun control. And that's what Haley, state Republican leaders and the gun lobby want: In February, Haley signed a bill into law authorizing concealed guns in restaurants and bars and had the state Senate passed it, she was ready to sign a "permitless" concealed carry law.

Everything stays the same, especially for black South Carolinians. It's not like taking the flag down dramatically changes anything for blacks in the Palmetto State. And folks can still wave it on private property if they want. The Republican governor and the GOP-dominated state legislature are still politically unfriendly to a community that's nearly 30 percent of the population. The state still boasts a voter ID law. While the Economic Policy Institute shows South Carolina has the second-lowest black unemployment rate in the nation, it's still rather high at 8.7 percent, compared to only 5.3 percent for whites. The state's poverty rate is ninth in the nation, and the black poverty rate is outrageous at 28 percent. Taking the flag down doesn't move the political or economic needle for blacks in South Carolina one bit.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/245910-how-republicans-pulled-a-fast-one-with-the-confederate-flag

Of course it's really about their gun nut racist base. What else?

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How Republicans pulled a fast one with the Confederate flag. (Guns guns and more guns) (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2015 OP
Gun nut racist base, sounds right to me. Guns do not have to be a problem, just enforce randys1 Jun 2015 #1
Haley's apparent about-face is bait-&-switch Panich52 Jun 2015 #2
They're following Hillary RobertEarl Jun 2015 #3
Gov. McCrory wants Confederate flag off NC license plates struggle4progress Jun 2015 #4
yea we scream at each other over a flag and voila the tpa passess Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #5
it was going to pass anyway... lame54 Jun 2015 #8
well of course with that attitude Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #9
that attitude got rid of the flag... lame54 Jun 2015 #10
congratulations it got rid of a flag - now our jobs get to go to vietnam. Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #14
because we talked about the flag... lame54 Jun 2015 #16
and stopped talking about the tpa Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #17
so do i... lame54 Jun 2015 #18
that is your opinion. i have a different one Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #19
Seems odd that you're indicting someone else for an attitude. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #12
what no latin this time? Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #15
Maybe some GOP candidates moondust Jun 2015 #6
we could have talked about the flag and gotten rid of it or... lame54 Jun 2015 #7
no, you will still see that flag all over the south Amishman Jun 2015 #11
individually they can do what they want... lame54 Jun 2015 #13

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Gun nut racist base, sounds right to me. Guns do not have to be a problem, just enforce
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jun 2015

the 2nd as written, poof, all gone.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
2. Haley's apparent about-face is bait-&-switch
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

The fallacy of her sincerity is obvious to me by the fact that she didn't use the 'temporary removal for repair' clause and left it flying for the funerals.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
4. Gov. McCrory wants Confederate flag off NC license plates
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jun 2015

JUNE 23, 2015
BY GARY D. ROBERTSON
Associated Press

... House Minority Leader Larry Hall, D-Durham, said he supported eliminating the flag on license plates but added North Carolina should look at "all offensive images" sanctioned by the state over the years. Hall said attention shouldn't be diverted from keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. "The issue that is killing people in North Carolina is guns, not license plates," Hall said ...

http://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article25353382.html

lame54

(35,294 posts)
8. it was going to pass anyway...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

what bullshit this post is

talking about the flag didn't affect any of those issues

at least now we are getting rid of the flag

the repugs are not masterminds of any sort

lame54

(35,294 posts)
10. that attitude got rid of the flag...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015

this post is telling us to shut the hell up about the flag

what will that get us

Sandy Hook did nothing about guns - that was the litmus test

I'm not suggesting we stop trying but we need to make advancements where we can

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. Seems odd that you're indicting someone else for an attitude.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jun 2015

Seems odd that you're indicting someone else for an attitude.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
6. Maybe some GOP candidates
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

want the flag issue to go away before it becomes an election issue they can't win on.

lame54

(35,294 posts)
7. we could have talked about the flag and gotten rid of it or...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

talked about guns and made NO advancement on either

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
11. no, you will still see that flag all over the south
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

if anything it has made it even more of a symbol of defiance.

Banning things doesn't change the mindset behind it. If anything it has the opposite effect. Take a small one off a license plate, and those who support it will put a huge bumper sticker on to counter it. Forcibly removing the flag just makes those who fly it cling harder.

lame54

(35,294 posts)
13. individually they can do what they want...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

and yes flag sales a will boom for a while - that was entirely predictable

but we don't need to have it state sanctioned

you may think this is a trivial victory(or no victory at all)

but I disagree - it is quite significant

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