Hillary Clinton, At Black Church Near Ferguson, Says 'All Lives Matter'

[KamaAina]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/hillary-clinton-ferguson_n_7638920.html

Hillary Clinton on Tuesday told a crowd at a black church near where the police killing of an unarmed teen propelled the "Black Lives Matter" movement that "all lives matter."

During a campaign stop minutes from where a white police officer fatally shot black teenager Michael Brown last summer, Clinton told a mostly African-American crowd at Christ the King United Church of Christ that “America’s struggles with race are far from finished.”...

"All lives matter," Clinton said.

The phrase garnered most of Twitter’s attention about her speech, much of it negative.

Ouch. Horrible optics.

[lame54]

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[Cheese Sandwich]

2. oops

Judith Butler, a professor at University of California, Berkley, summed up the frustration with the use of “all lives matter” in The Times in January.

“When some people rejoin with ‘All Lives Matter’ they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue,” she wrote. “It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve.”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/

[randys1]

3. To be completely honest and fair, we know all politicians use slightly different terms

depending on where they are campaigning.

Will Bernie do that?

I dont know.

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

8. I don't understand what you mean?

[randys1]

9. She change Black to All, right? I also think I just heard her say institutional racism is over

I sure hope not but I heard a speech today and thought I heard that, please someone tell me she said the opposite and I wasnt paying attention

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

10. I don't know about 'institutional racism is over', I doubt she said that. If she did,

.... eeek, no way. Not even her.

But she did do the big no no on Black Lives Matter. Did she not know not to say that? Did no one on her team give her a heads up?

[randys1]

11. I dont get it. I know why one would say that for campaigning purposes, but this is the WRONG

time to do that

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

14. It can't possibly be for campaign purposes, it is the total opposite.

This will hurt her campaign.

[randys1]

17. My point is I know why she said it, but she and they are supposed to be smarter than that

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

23. I know, I'm still kind of reeling over this trying to make sense.

Maybe it is that she really is that disconnected from real people and the day to day happenings in the country? That she just didn't know?

[Prism]

29. I can't imagine she said that

Or anything close to that. Had she, it would've been the headline here instead of this. Her campaign would be over overnight.

[RufusTFirefly]

4. Not in Iraq or Libya apparently. n/t

[CTBlueboy]

5. here we go

Using the conservative response to #blacklivesmatter in a black church talking about racism (tone deaf much)
[link:|

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

6. Let's see if Hillary gets a break for this.

Bernie would be crispy done by now. Fricasseed Bernard, on toast.

[Comrade Grumpy]

7. Good thing Bernie didn't say that.

[octoberlib]

12. Hillary Clinton's all lives matter remark stirs backlash

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/?ref=politics&_r=0

[loyalsister]

13. ugh!!

Yet another misstep. Hillary Clinton is not a political novice. Yet, she has made some truly ridiculous errors. "Dead broke," being politically negligent when it came to emails, etc. I am mystified.

[RadiationTherapy]

16. The mega-wealthy tend to be tone deaf due to their insular lives. Hillary needs a working class

campaign manager - I am available, Ms. Clinton, and I can help. Call me.

This tweet sums up Ms. Clinton's communication breakdown here:

[MohRokTah]

18. That's going to cost her in the activists.

I am now going to have to rethink my support for her.

[JI7]

36. O'malley is worth looking at on this issue

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

42. O'Malley sounds like a great guy and should be getting more air time.

[WillyT]

19. She Needs A Voice Coach...

Apparently...she's tone-deaf.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. I heard part of it on the radio today... she speaks with all the passion of Carlton the Doorman. n/t

[WillyT]

33. LOL !!! - Nice Reference !!!

[hifiguy]

38. DUzy!!

[Nye Bevan]

20. WHOA. She actually said that "all lives matter"? That's just horrible.

And it will certainly cost her votes among those who firmly believe that NOT all lives matter.

[KamaAina]

21. The point is that she co-opted #BlackLivesMatter

right next to Ferguson, no less. Or at least was perceived as having done so, and in politics, perception is reality.

[morningfog]

58. "All lives matter" was the dismissive, white privileged response to Black Lives Matter.

It was the offensive slogan used by the racism deniers.

[hifiguy]

87. Yep. Straight off of Fox.

Someone should have realized that and warned her off of it even if her intent was Simon-pure. It clangs.

[LordGlenconner]

22. What a horrible thing to say about people

And their lives. Inexcusable.

[hifiguy]

24. I have never seen a more tone-deaf Democrat than her.

And that's really going out on a limb, Hil. Way to push the envelope.

[BuelahWitch]

79. You would think with all that money pouring in

she could hire advisers and speechwriters who would know that was a tone deaf statement.

[hifiguy]

86. Those Goldman flunkies don't come cheap

But that doesn't make them smart.

[Rex]

26. Wait...that cannot be right. I read right here she has a very close connection

with the black community. So which one is it, people on DU or something that was reported in the Huff...

I'm still thinking...the Huff hates HRC...

[Rex]

31. That will be a recipe for failure.

Relying on tea leaves is probably less risky.

[hifiguy]

32. One of those 22-hour-a-day interns at Goldman that writes her stuff

is gonna get his or her gruel cut off for screwing up this badly.

[Fumesucker]

37. "Not particularly competent demon spawn from hell" is how I recall a DUer described her staff

[hifiguy]

41. Well, that is vividly descriptive.

[JI7]

34. she does which is why she may get criticism but won't lose support

[Rex]

39. If you say so.

Just looks bad after Glenn Beck saying the exact same thing not too long ago and in the same place.

[daredtowork]

48. People may well end up apologizing for criticizing her

Such as when someone back in 2008 offhandedly called her a monster over her campaign tactics because her campaign was saying Obama would cause them to lose their jobs....in Scotland. =.=

[Prism]

27. Welcome to the general election preview party

Where Secretary Clinton, who is a horrible, horrible campaigner, will put her foot in her mouth again and again.

There's a reason her campaign is limiting her extemporaneous speaking engagements. She has this habit of just . . . saying things.

I have no illusions and believe she will be our nominee. But the thought of her in the general election is genuinely terrifying. The Supreme Court is too important. She has been around too long for this kind of amateur hour.

There's no excuse at all.

And she said this to a black church.

Jesus Effing Christmas tree.

[hifiguy]

35. As a retail campaigner she has all the light touch

of a German jazz band and the easy folksiness of Thurston Howell III.

Right up there with Poppy Bush being so amazed by the sight of a grocery scanner back in '91 or '92.

[Autumn]

51. Better she get it out of the way now.

Her habit of saying things, will cost her and us.

[leftofcool]

57. Are you serious? She was quoting her mother.

You might want to read Donna Brazille's tweet before you go all out on a limb here.

[Aerows]

85. Donna Brazille is an expert on

how people should react to this, why, exactly?

I know you aren't going to the friend place.

Or are you?

[morningfog]

59. She is and always has been a horrible campaigner.

She's just bad at it.

She is trying to run a passive, name-recognition, big money only primary and may get away with it. It won't fly in the general and then we'll be stuck.

I really hope Bernie goes harder after her soon. He needs to go on the offense and force her to engage.

[RufusTFirefly]

74. Clink!

Perhaps she was just triangulating in an attempt to avoid alienating all those hard-working white voters she seemed to value so much in 2008.

[Aerows]

76. It certainly is Mitt Romney-esque

He spent his entire campaign with a shoe polish smile.

[Ms. Toad]

46. I said something similar below

before I saw your post.

[whatchamacallit]

40. She just couldn't bring herself to say it

Wake up people. She's a mirage.

[azmom]

60. [phone]

[daredtowork]

43. And Team Hillary has been lecturing Bernie about his failure to grok the #BlackLivesMatter movement?

Super fail. People seem to be campaigning for a fictional candidate.

Btw - #AllLivesMatter is yet another white supremacist Southern Strategy dog whistle. and IMHO people should stop believing these are innocent slips of an old lady. These are the savvy slips of someone who believes she is a master triangulator and that her actual "base" is a bunch of racist throwbacks that she wants to woo into her "purple space".

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

44. I guess she can always blame it on her mom.

You may be right, I am unable to go into that devious territory yet.

[m-lekktor]

84. her twitter hashtag quoting mother may she RIP.

poor Donna Brazile I would hate to have her job!

[azmom]

63. Yep, that's exactly what's going on here.

[Ms. Toad]

45. Fits perfectly with my experience of her.

She is taking the Democratic nomination for granted, so the Democratic votes no longer matter as much as the disaffected white voters drawn in by the tea party - who feel Blacks have stolen their jobs, etc.

The finger to the wind says . . . "all lives matter" plays better among the voters she is isn't already taking for granted.

[frylock]

49. #alllivesmatter is what conservatives say..

this should appeal to *ahem* "hard working Americans".

[whatchamacallit]

50. Not good enough, Hillary!

[Vattel]

52. From a political standpoint, amazingly dumb. But she did not

deliberately avoid saying "Black lives matter." She has used that phrase before, and it wouldn't have made sense to use it at the end of a story about her mom surviving because someone treated her like her life mattered.

[qazplm]

53. actually she was quoting her mother

from decades ago.

[Luminous Animal]

54. Really. Well, when she told that story at her campaign rally...

That phrase was not included at all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. ...

Donna BrazileVerified account
@donnabrazile


#HillaryClinton was telling a story about her mother, she's also said "we can stand up together & say 'yes Black lives matter.' Stop hating!

[Fumesucker]

61. Plausible deniability

What a slick maneuver, work the right wing phrase in but have plausible deniability for it.

That's what Hillary is paying those 200 advisers the big money for.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Uhum, yeah, sure, whatever./nt

[Fumesucker]

66. I was expressing admiration at a tricky bit of politics well done

A consummate professional is our Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Uhum, yeah, sure, whatever (REDUX).NT

[morningfog]

65. When's is she say what Bralize quotes?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. ...

She was talking about how a disproportionate number of young people of color are out of school and out of work and, explaining that everyone needs a “chance and a champion,” she recalled how her mother was abandoned as a teenager and went on to work as a maid.

“What kept you going?” Mrs. Clinton remembered asking her mother. “Her answer was very simple. Kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter.”




http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/

[morningfog]

71. No. When did Hillary say "we can say Black Lives Matter"

as quoted by Brazile.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. ...

Clinton also addressed the recent protests that have raged across the country, and drew links between violence at home and abroad.

She declared, "yes, black lives matter," a mantra of demonstrators around the country who have been protesting recent grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers involved in the deaths of unarmed black men in Ferguson, Missouri, and in New York.

She wondered what Kennedy would say about "the thousands of Americans marching in our streets demanding justice for all," and "the mothers who've lost their sons."




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/hillary-clinton-torture-blacks_n_6338154.html

[MelungeonWoman]

64. Tone deaf.

Said before but worth repeating.

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[LeftyMom]

67. Oh great.

We're back to her 2008 effort to mimic the traits stereotypical of white blue collar guys in the hope of winning their votes. Casual racism, maybe shots again, what's next a "lifelong" love of hunting or an early primary state NFL franchise? Maybe a Harley or a photo op where she's working a really expensive grill.

She's just not good at dog whistles and pandering, and she keeps trying without serming to notice that she's so bad at it she winds up insulting all sides.

Fuck it, she should just get a Camaro.

[morningfog]

69. It was her white privilege speaking. Stupid comment.

Claiming it is a phrase her mother coined, instead of the white privilege racism denial genesis, is laughable.

[LeftyMom]

72. Oh, the dead old ladies in my family were always quoting twitter

Putting pandering inanities into a dead woman's mouth is actually rather offensive in it's own right.

[morningfog]

73. I remember how my grandmother used to tell me

When I complained that it was #whitepeopleproblems.

And if I was every being confronted by the cops to yell #handsupdontshoot.

[azmom]

78. LOL

[KamaAina]

80. You got it.

[bullwinkle428]

77. "Sister Souljah" moment, v2.0.

Yes - that was my immediate "Rorschach test"/word association reaction.

[LuvLoogie]

81. This reminds me of when President Obama spoke

of people who "... get bitter, they cling to guns or religion... "

Some people see Jesus on their toast. Let's see if Hillary weighs as much as a duck.

[BlueCheese]

82. I would advise people to read the context of her statement before reaching any conclusions.

“The truth is equality, opportunity, civil rights in America are still far from where they need to be. Our schools are still segregated. In fact more segregated than they were in the 1960s. Nearly 6 million young Americans between the ages of 16 and 24 are out of school and out of work. Think of that. Neither learning nor working. And the numbers are particularly high for young people of color. Statistics like these are rebukes to the real progress we have made. And they pose an urgent call for us to act publicly, politically, and personally.

We should start by giving all of our children the tools and opportunities to overcome legacies of discrimination to live up to their own God-given potentials. I just saw some of the young people attending camp here at church down in the basement. And I was thrilled to see that because that is the kind of commitment we need more of, in every church, in every place, until every child is reached. And I hope we can take that as a cause for action.

I learned this not from politics but from my mother who taught me that everybody, everybody needs a chance and a champion. She knew what it was like to have neither one. Her own parents abandoned her. By 14, she was out on her own working as a house maid. Years later when I was old enough to understand, I asked her. What kept you going? Her answer was very simple. Kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter.”

Also, would I be correct in thinking most people who are assuming the worst about what she said were not, um, favorably disposed towards her to begin with?

[KamaAina]

83. But, in Sound Bite Nation, there is no room for context.

[Oilwellian]

90. Speaking of context...some Tweets responding to Hillary's major gaffe

@BlackGirlDanger SHE FUCKING DID NOT. Oh god are you serious?

@Awkward_Duck @yoauntielikeit What the actual fucking fuck.

@KiyoDandre @YungSapGawd @yoauntielikeit she hasn't forgotten she has to get "all" votes. Pandering Hillary strikes again

I wish we could just skip the election. RT @yoauntielikeit: Hillary Clinton, in a Black church, just said "All lives matter." Fam…

@Carnegro @yoauntielikeit @fmason3 she. ain't. getting. my. damn. vote. ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuucccccckkk. that. shit

If she didn't get a "no" from me before, she sure does now. "@yoauntielikeit Hillary, in a Black church, said "All lives matter." Fam…"

@yoauntielikeit @vivian_games Well she just locked down the racist white people who think they aren't racist vote.

@yoauntielikeit well there goes my hope for her.

@yoauntielikeit which is why she won't get my vote.

@yoauntielikeit pic.twitter.com/z1In6glm0M

Hillary: All lives matter. Me: From the wife of the man who said he remembered when our president would be serving coffee to him.

Hillary Clinton just said "All Lives Matter." Girl BYE. If you can't just say Black Lives Matter, then keep us out of your mouth altogether.

Hillary Clinton really and truly said "All lives Matter" OMG SHE HAS TO BE ONE OF THE DUMBEST POLITICIANS THIS NATION HAS EVER PRODUCED

*Sigh*. Y'all, we've just been "All Lives Matter"'d by Hillary Clinton.

Not ready for Hillary. Never gonna be ready. Ever.

@BlackGirlDanger For once. Just once. I wish I could be surprised by the fuck shit that comes from her camp. Just. Once.

All lives matter? Hillary…sit down now. You're embarrassing us. #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/IawPcGo7gO

Hillary Clinton said All Lives Matter. bye.

[LuvLoogie]

89. Hillary turned me into a newt...

[frylock]

88. I'm willing to buy that this was just a monumentally stupid gaffe..

but I'm having a hard time understanding how this turn of phrase passed QA before they green lighted her speech. Surely, someone on that crack team of advisers would know what a loaded term that is. There was nobody in that room that suggested maybe tweaking that a bit to read Everybody's life matters? Poor optics, indeed.