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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:33 AM Jun 2015

I agree with Hillary Clinton. She said all lives matter.

Bernie on NPR today said, after being baited by the so-called interviewer, that black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter. Bernie kept trying to point out the high employment rate among young African Americans, how we must do something about it. He kept trying to talk about doing something about how police can over react toward those African American young people, how something must be done about it nationally. He was trying to say more, but the interviewer was determined he MUST say that one phrase.

All lives matter is their message. Both of them are right.

I think instead of implying that Bernie Sanders is racist that you should listen to the interview yourself.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning-edition/

I am looking for the full transcript which was supposed to be up by now. I did find a partial transcript only so far.

That was one of the worst "gotcha" interviews I have ever heard.

http://www.npr.org/about-npr/417232908/npr-news-interview-with-senator-bernie-sanders

Both our candidates agree that all lives matter. The interviewer referred to one woman who wanted to hear someone say that the life of her young child mattered, that black lives mattered.

I heard Hillary say that all lives matter, and I heard Bernie say all lives matter. Both of them care about all the people of America.

I hope someone will put up the transcript soon. The partial does not even touch on this issue.

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I agree with Hillary Clinton. She said all lives matter. (Original Post) madfloridian Jun 2015 OP
Meanwhile they fawned over the "GOP Bright Spot" Jindal this morning corkhead Jun 2015 #1
Glad I wasn't listening. daleanime Jun 2015 #4
Well, ok, maybe not ALL lives matter. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #5
This is why 'framing' is so important..... daleanime Jun 2015 #2
This made you continue to lose respect for her? NCTraveler Jun 2015 #10
Never try to convince somebody from hating somebody when their whole world view... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #13
Who say 'hate'? daleanime Jun 2015 #17
Lovely wall of text shutdown..... daleanime Jun 2015 #15
Wall of text shutdown. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #16
Yes, mine is short..... daleanime Jun 2015 #19
Sorry. Missed the sarcasm in your original post. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #20
NPR HassleCat Jun 2015 #3
I don't usually listen, but after reading stuff here I found the interview. madfloridian Jun 2015 #6
The usual suspects. StandingInLeftField Jun 2015 #32
Saying that minorities... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #7
Neither candidate made a racist comment. Sancho Jun 2015 #8
I agree. madfloridian Jun 2015 #9
Thank you for reason. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #11
We have people out there leading on this. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #12
But I've been told that saying "all lives matter" makes her a racist, or something. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #14
She needs to walk back a lil' farther than that GusBob Jun 2015 #21
It makes her look incredibly out of touch with what's happening in The Real World.. frylock Jun 2015 #23
Sometimes the outrage can get tiring TBF Jun 2015 #18
..... madfloridian Jun 2015 #22
"That was one of the worst "gotcha" interviews I have ever heard." KamaAina Jun 2015 #24
I seldom listen to NPR..today's interview stunned me. madfloridian Jun 2015 #25
I don't think he handled it particularly well. And Black Lives Matter. fishwax Jun 2015 #26
So both Hillary and Bernie MUST say those exact words...? madfloridian Jun 2015 #27
Is there something abhorrent about saying those words? fishwax Jun 2015 #28
Never mind. madfloridian Jun 2015 #31
I've never heard him this irritated Prism Jun 2015 #29
That's what I gathered from it as well. Our media's behavior is abhorrent. madfloridian Jun 2015 #30
He had ever right to be irritated. His last NPR interview was filled with insinuations pulled from Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #33
They had Clinton's blood in the water Prism Jun 2015 #34
"a devastating indictment of NPR." madfloridian Jun 2015 #36
I thought Bernie was great. He is leading a revolution in political dialogue. immoderate Jun 2015 #35

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
1. Meanwhile they fawned over the "GOP Bright Spot" Jindal this morning
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jun 2015

that's all you need to know about the sad state of the once great NPR

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,369 posts)
5. Well, ok, maybe not ALL lives matter.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

If Jindal is the GOP "bright spot", then he's in some very dim company.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. This is why 'framing' is so important.....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

people tend to see what they are looking for.

And this is why I continue to lose respect for Hillary.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. This made you continue to lose respect for her?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015

Thank you. Thank you so much, Pastor Traci. Thank you for welcoming me to your church, this community, and with such powerful words.

I am here to listen but also to engage in the kind of open and honest discussion that I hope is happening all across America this week.
Last week, just a few hours before the massacre at Mother Emanuel AME Church during Wednesday night Bible Study, I was in Charleston visiting a technical school, meeting students — black, white, Hispanic — who were pursuing paid internships, and learning skills that will prepare them for the jobs of the future. I heard their stories, I shook their hands, I looked into their eyes, and I saw the hope and the pride that comes from doing work that is meaningful, learning, feeling that you matter, and that there will be a place for you.

That’s the basic bargain of our country. And these young men and a few young women were doing their part.

That night, word of the killings struck like a blow to the soul. How do we make sense of such an evil act, an act of racist terrorism perpetrated in a house of God? How do we turn grief, anger, and despair into purpose and action?

Those of us who are Christians are challenged by Jesus Christ to forgive seventy times seven — a daunting, even impossible task for most of us.

But then we have seen that scriptural admonition in action.

Isn’t it amazing, remarkable even, when fear, doubt, desire for revenge might have been expected, but instead forgiveness is found? Although a fundamental part of our doctrine, its practice is the most difficult thing we are ever called to do.

But, that’s what we saw on Friday, when one by one, grieving parents, siblings and other family members looked at that young man who had taken so much from them and said: “I forgive you.”

Wanda Simmons, the granddaughter of Reverend Daniel Simmons, said, “Although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate, this is proof, everyone’s plea for your soul,” she said to the killer, “is proof that they lived in love so hate won’t win.”

Their act of mercy was as stunning as his act of cruelty.

Hate cannot win. “There is no future without forgiveness,” Archbishop Desmond Tutu taught us, and forgiveness is the first step toward victory in any journey.

I know it’s tempting to dismiss a tragedy like this as an isolated incident, to believe that in today’s America, bigotry is largely behind us, that institutionalized racism no longer exists.

But despite our best efforts and our highest hopes, America’s long struggle with race is far from finished.

We can’t hide from hard truths about race and justice. We have to name them and own them and change them.

That’s why I appreciate the actions begun yesterday by the Governor and other leaders of South Carolina to remove the Confederate battle flag from the State House — recognizing it as a symbol of our nation’s racist past that has no place in our present or our future. It shouldn’t fly there, it shouldn’t fly anywhere.

And I also commend Walmart for deciding to remove any product that uses it. Today, Amazon, eBay, and Sears have followed suite, and I urge all sellers to do the very same.

But you know and I know that’s just the beginning of what we have to do.

The truth is, equality, opportunity, civil rights in America are still far from where they need to be. Our schools are still segregated — in fact, more segregated than they were in the 1960s.

Nearly 6 million young Americans between the ages of 16 and 24 are out of school and out of work. Think of that: neither learning nor working. And the numbers are particularly high for young people of color.

Statistics like these are rebukes to the real progress we have made and they pose an urgent call for us to act — publically, politically, and personally.

We should start by giving all of our children the tools and opportunities to overcome legacies of discrimination, to live up to their own God-given potentials.

I just saw some of the young people attending camp here at the church down in the basement, and I was thrilled to see that, because that is the kind of commitment we need more of in every church, in every place, until every child is reached. And I hope we can take that as a cause for action.

I learned this not from politics but from my mother, who taught me that everybody — everybody — needs a chance and a champion. She knew what it was like to have neither one.

Her own parents abandoned her. By 14 she was out on her own, working as a housemaid. Years later, when I was old enough to understand, I asked her, “What kept you going?” Her answer was very simple: Kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter.

And for her it was the first grade teacher who saw she had nothing to eat at lunch and, without embarrassing her, brought extra food to share. It was the woman whose house she cleaned, who agreed to let her go to high school so long as her work got done.

Because those people believed in her, gave her a chance, she believed in me. And she taught me to believe in the potential of every American.

That inspired me to go work for the Children’s Defense Fund after law school. It inspired my work for the Legal Services Corporation, where I defended the rights of poor people to have lawyers. I saw lives changed because an abusive marriage ended or an illegal eviction stopped.

In Arkansas, at the law school there, I supervised law students who represented clients in courts and prisons, organized college scholarship funds for single parents, led efforts for better schools and better health care.

So, I know — I know what personal kindness, political commitments, and public programs can do to help those who are trying their best to get ahead.

That’s why we need to build an economy for tomorrow, not yesterday.

You don’t have to look far from this sanctuary to see why that need is so urgent. But you also don’t have to look far to see that talent and potential is all right here, if only we can unleash it.

I believe that talent is universal but opportunity is not. We need to rebuild the American Opportunity Society for the 21st century.

And you might ask, how do we do that?

Well, first, start looking at the faces and the energy of the young people I just saw downstairs. We have to start early, make sure every 4-year-old in America has access to high-quality preschool. Because those early years are when young brains develop, and the right foundation can lead to lifelong success.

Now, I’m not saying this just because I’m not a grandmother — of the most amazing, brilliant, extraordinary 9-month-old in history of the world. I’m saying this because, again, I know what the evidence is. I know that 80 percent of your brain is developed by the age of 3.

So we have to do more. And when I say we, I mean churches and houses of worship, I mean businesses, I mean charities, I mean local governments. All of us have to do more to help families be their child’s first teachers from zero to 5.

You know, when I was First Lady of Arkansas, I struggled with this issue. We had a lot of kids, poor kids in the delta and south Arkansas and up in the mountains. And we were not going to be able to afford at that point all those years ago a universal pre-k program. We had to do more but we were never going to do enough.

So I looked for programs that people could run themselves. And I found a program in Israel, a program designed to help the children of immigrants into Israel, particularly from Ethiopia, who came with their parents seeking religious freedom. They were Ethiopian Jews. They had to escape. But many of them had never been to school.

And the secret to the program called the Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youngsters, was to teach the mother to teach her child.

We need to do more of that, and I call on all of us to find ways to reach into those families, and then as our kids grow up, they’re going to need not only a good education to prepare them but the skills for tomorrow’s jobs.

We need tax credits for businesses that invest in apprenticeships, particularly providing opportunities to economically disadvantaged young people.

In order to create those new jobs, we have to attract investment into communities too often ignored or written off. Whether you live in Ferguson or West Baltimore, in Coal Country or Indian Country, you should have the same chance as any American anywhere to get ahead and stay ahead.

We should reauthorize the New Markets Tax Credit, which has encouraged billions of dollars in private funding for community development and small businesses in low-income, low-investment areas. It should be permanent.

A lot of the new jobs are going to come from small businesses. And we know that women and people of color face extra hurdles becoming entrepreneurs. It’s harder to find the support networks, it’s harder to get that loan.

So we’ve got to do more to knock down the barriers so every good idea that anybody has will get a fair hearing, and a chance to create a new business, to employ people and raise their incomes.

We must do all we can to be sure our communities respect law enforcement and that law enforcement respects the communities they serve.

And we need to come together for common sense gun reforms that keep our communities safe.

The key to all of this is revitalizing our democracy, and finally persuading the 50 million Americans who do not vote that by not voting they make it possible for people who do not agree with them, do not support their aspirations to call the shots.

Earlier this month, I went to Texas Southern University to speak out against systematic efforts to disempower and disenfranchise young people, poor people, people of color, and the elderly.

We need early voting in every state, and automatic, universal voter registration.

I think every young American when they turn 18 should be universally, automatically registered unless they say no.

Now, if we re-stitch the fraying fabric of our communities, we will only do so if all Americans do their part.

I grew up in the Methodist Church. My mother taught Sunday school, and made sure — part of the reason she taught Sunday school is to keep an eye on my brothers — who were supposed to be in Sunday school but you never knew. But she was there to make sure that they showed up in their classes.

But she also made sure we heard the wisdom of John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, to “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.”

And that meant more than prayer. It meant we had to step out of the church, roll up our sleeves and get to work.

I was blessed with a wonderful youth minister who took some of us into Chicago to hear Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak. I grew up in an all-white, middle-class suburb. I didn’t have a black friend, neighbor or classmate until I went to college. And I am so blessed to have had so many in my life since. But I leapt at the chance to hear Dr. King’s words with my own ears.

The sermon that evening was titled “Remaining Awake Through a Revolution.” Dr. King challenged us to stay engaged in the cause of justice, not to slumber while the world changed around us.

I think that’s good advice for all of us today. We should all commit to stay awake and stay active, to do our part, in our families, our businesses, unions, houses of worship, schools, and yes, in the voting booth.

Never stop working for a stronger, more prosperous, more just, more inclusive America.

Government has a big part of the responsibility to promote growth, fairness and justice, but so do all of us.

So in quiet moments in the days ahead, in honest conversations, let’s talk about what each of us can and should do. Because ultimately, this is really all about the habits of our hearts, how we treat each other, how we learn to see the humanity in those around us, and how we teach our children to see that humanity, too.

And we don’t have to look far for examples. Those nine righteous men and women who invited a stranger into their midst, to study the bible with them, somehow who did not look like them, someone they had never seen before.

Their example and their memory show us the way. Their families, their church does as well.

So let us be resolved to make sure they did not die in vain.

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Thank you and God bless you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
13. Never try to convince somebody from hating somebody when their whole world view...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jun 2015

Never try to convince somebody to stop hating some person when their whole world view hinges on hating that person.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
17. Who say 'hate'?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jun 2015

I know it's harder to disregard people when you listen to them, but it would give you a greater air of authority.:love ya:

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. Wall of text shutdown.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

Those words made you lose even more respect for her. Read it. It isn't long nor is it a wall of text. It is actually really short. I mean really short. Where do people get their news if they consider this a "wall of text?"

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. Sorry. Missed the sarcasm in your original post.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

So many here actually did try to use it as a way to slam her. It was so close to the reality of some posters that I didn't recognize it as sarcasm.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. NPR
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

National Public Radio is going to favor Hillary Clinton, and they must regard Bernie Sanders as the fringe candidate who will complicate things for Clinton. I like NPR, and I know people don't want to face up to it, but NPR is part of the mainstream media.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
6. I don't usually listen, but after reading stuff here I found the interview.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

I don't even know the name of the interviewer, but I was stunned by the baiting.

32. The usual suspects.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

"Jessica Taylor is the lead digital political reporter for NPR. Based in Washington, D.C., she covers the 2016 elections and national politics for NPR digital.

Before joining NPR in May 2015, Taylor was the campaign editor for The Hill newspaper where she oversaw the newspaper's 2014 midterm coverage, managed a team of political reporters and wrote her own biweekly column.

Prior to The Hill, Taylor was a writer and producer for MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown with Chuck Todd" and a contributor to the NBC News Political Unit. She covered and reported on the 2012 election as a senior analyst for The Rothenberg Gonzales Political Report. Her quotes have appeared in The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and USA Today, as well as several state and regional newspapers across the country. Taylor has also appeared on MSNBC, Fox News, C-SPAN, CNN and other local network affiliates.

On Election Night 2012, Jessica served as an off-air analyst for CBS News in New York, advising producers and reporters on House and Senate races.

Previously, Jessica was editor of National Journal's "House Race Hotline" and Assistant Editor for POLITICO during the 2010 midterms. She began her career in Washington as the research director for The Almanac of American Politics.

A native of Elizabethton, Tenn., she is a graduate of Furman University in Greenville, S.C. and now lives in Alexandria, Va."

http://www.npr.org/people/404496424/jessica-taylor

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
7. Saying that minorities...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jun 2015

Saying that minorities are beset my challenges that are not faced by the majority and saying all lives or black lives matter is not mutually exclusive, at least to any sentient person. Devaluing the life of Freddie Gray is no different in God's eyes than devaluing the life of Bill Gates.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
8. Neither candidate made a racist comment.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

and it's silly if anyone tries to imply it.

Hillary was telling a childhood story. Bernie was talking about economic opportunity and mentioned treatment by police.

There was no implied or actual issue of racism in either Hillary's address or Bernie's interview.

The candidates are doing a good job of discussing the issues and not looking for attacks and "gotcha" on each other.





 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. Thank you for reason.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

I understand having issues with certain things with our candidates. This is not one of them.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. We have people out there leading on this.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jun 2015

Out in the public talking about it daily. Those making it an issue are completely counterproductive to progress.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. But I've been told that saying "all lives matter" makes her a racist, or something.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

Presumably she needs to walk back her words by saying that NOT all lives matter.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
21. She needs to walk back a lil' farther than that
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jun 2015

like wayback machine back, and set her mama straight, cuz she was the one who told her that

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. It makes her look incredibly out of touch with what's happening in The Real World..
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

nobody in that staff of 200+ advisers didn't stop to think how loaded the term all lives matter is?

TBF

(32,100 posts)
18. Sometimes the outrage can get tiring
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jun 2015

and this is one of those times. Of course all lives matter. Hillary and Bernie are both correct about that. Now, what will we do to SHOW that we care about them - and not just the 1%? What programs can we put in place to help all folks succeed? I'm thinking of things like national headstart which could reach everyone at age 4 - free of charge. We know the children of the 1% are getting unbelievable advantages. How can we "level the playing field" in this country?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. "That was one of the worst "gotcha" interviews I have ever heard."
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

Right behind Diane Rehm's with the Israeli citizenship fiasco. NPR may have to start reporting this airtime as an in-kind contribution to the Clinton campaign.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
25. I seldom listen to NPR..today's interview stunned me.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

Calling it an interview is being kind. It was like a personal attack.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
26. I don't think he handled it particularly well. And Black Lives Matter.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:11 PM - Edit history (1)

In the interview with NPR, the interviewer mentioned an activist who had spoken on NPR to say that (quoting the interviewer here, not the activist herself) "she needs to hear her president to say the lives of my children matter, my little black children matter." That doesn't strike me as an unreasonable request. And it isn't much comfort to respond "well, all lives matter," because it seems pretty clear that many People of Color feel (and with overwhelming reason, as anyone who has looked at history should know) that black lives haven't, historically speaking, been valued in American rhetoric about the value of life.

I have no problem with him connecting the issue to his good information about the disproportionately high unemployment rate among African American youth ... but he didn't really connect those issues, instead keeping the issues of institutional racism (which the black lives matter movement seeks to address) at arm's length.

I'd like to think that part of the reason he did this was because he didn't want to be perceived as dinging Clinton or piling on. However, it is something that I do hope to see him connect a bit more forcefully and thoughtfully in the future. We'll see. Perhaps instead he feels that being too forceful with something like Black Lives Matter will undermine the strength/potential of the working-class coalition he wants to build.

The whole "black lives matter" vs. "all lives matter" thing is weird. When the nation responds to a tornado in Oklahoma by saying "Oklahoma is hurting, they need our help," nobody gets offended and says "all natural disasters matter, and there are people in all states who need our help."

When a person calls attention to unfair labor practices in the hotel industry, it would be incongruous to respond: "why just focus on hotel workers? there are all kinds of exploited workers and they all need our help."

If someone points out the crap that teachers have put up with and do and pay for themselves in order to educate our country's future, it would be insulting to simply respond: "Why specify teachers? All underpaid and overworked professionals matter."

When someone works to raise awareness about domestic violence and the adults and children who suffer physically at the hands of people they love, everyone would recognize it as a BS diversion to respond: "do people who are assaulted during robberies not also feel pain? Why single out domestic assault specifically? All assault matters." (Similarly, it isn't productive to respond to activists working to help women who are victims of domestic violence to simply point out that sometimes men are victims too.)

Nobody really believes that talking about tornado victims in oklahoma means you don't also care about people suffering elsewhere, or that calling attention to specific instances of unfair labor practices in the hotel industry means you don't care about other workers, or that talking about teachers means you don't care about nurses or that fighting domestic violence means you don't care about other forms of violence. Basically everyone recognizes that such instances are mentioned because they merit specific attention, and that providing that attention in no way excludes or diminishes the value of other struggles.

Yet, when you have a disturbingly steady stream of African American youth dying at the hands of law enforcement (and law enforcement wannabes), the cry that "Black Lives Matter" is met with "Um, excuse me, but all lives matter."

I find that odd.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
31. Never mind.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

You seem to have no idea about the point I'm trying to make.

I wish both of them would speak out strongly on the attacks on public school teachers...directly and clearly.

But they don't, and I must accept that.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
29. I've never heard him this irritated
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jun 2015

He wasn't having that interviewer. His message seemed basically, "It's easy to worry about slogans and phraseology and then do nothing to improve black lives. What good is saying the words if you allow the community to suffer so extensively?"

Good for him.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. He had ever right to be irritated. His last NPR interview was filled with insinuations pulled from
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jun 2015

some right wing website that he's an Israeli citizen. They apologized all over themselves but when they had him back they did not offer any respect. In the world of interviews granted, NPR made an enormous mistake and part of rectifying that glaring unprofessional and biased interview would be to give him a very fair and supportive interview when he returned, which he did not have to do considering last time they sicked an nut on him with a bunch of drooling antisemitic nonsense.

Aside from the rest of it, you don't do an attack interview as the fist interview after you had to apologized and claim not to be a bigot over and over. They said they were sorry, but they were not in fact sorry. Which proves the point that saying some words is not the same as doing the deed.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
34. They had Clinton's blood in the water
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jun 2015

They wanted Sanders to go in and capitalize, but he wouldn't do it. And man was that interviewer pissed on account. You can hear how flustered he is that Sanders wouldn't play The Game and scorch the earth with all things Hillary.

From start to finish, Sanders was like, "No, you fucker, this is how it actually is. Stop trying to get me to say what you want. I'm not your monkey."

It was wonderful on his part and a devastating indictment of NPR. They're just stupid, stupid creatures.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
35. I thought Bernie was great. He is leading a revolution in political dialogue.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jun 2015

I could almost hear him say, "Let's stop the bullshit."

I have to notice that criticisms of him are largely rhetorical deflections. That he is not moderate enough, or polite enough, or passive enough. I find his critics want to target his style, or demeanor, but not say he is wrong or dishonest.

--imm

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