Washington did not start a war against the USA to perpetuate slavery

[malaise]

Can you not see that difference Lindsey Graham?

That is what separates Washington from Lee and Davis.

[napkinz]

1. ...

[malaise]

2. In spite of Fox

Amazing indeed

Have you seen this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026917751

[napkinz]

4. no I hadn't, thanks for sharing ...

I did a thread a few days ago on FOX News promoting hate and denying it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026896016

and a thread on the Confederate Flag:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026903116

[jwirr]

3. Exactly. Jefferson also. I once read a book about the Constitutional Convention - can't remember

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the name - It talked about the fact that they did bring up the issue of ending slavery in that convention (don't remember what states were on what side). It was tabled because the 13 states could not agree on the issue and if they pushed it there would have been no constitution or United States at all.

However there is not doubt that slavery was wrong then and it should have been ended. It would have been much better for the country. Unfortunately it was not ended.

Can someone tell me the name of that book? I read it so long ago that I want to reread it in light of what is happening right now. The book was called The Federalist.

Google: Constitutional Convention (United States) slavery.

[malaise]

7. Wish I could n/t

[Wounded Bear]

15. Yes they did...

And the breakdown was pretty much the same as 80 years later, North/South. Sure some northerners owned slaves, but most were moving decidedly away from it. In the long run, slavery is actually a pretty inefficient way to run a work force.

As for the Revolutionary War, one dirty little secret was that Great Britain was already, in the late 1700's, considering this. I believe they finally ended all slavery in the Empire around 1809 IIRC, coincidentally when we outlawed importation. At least some of the Southern support of the Revolution was based on the preservation of the institution of slavery.

[napkinz]

5. ...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-New-Civil-Rights-Movement/358168880614

[malaise]

6. Love it but we must not leave out

her assistant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. In the same vein...

In the same vein folks who say the Civil War was only about economics are making the same argument...


Sure, it was about economics and preserving the union but if folks primarily in the south didn't want to own other folks there would have been no war.

[malaise]

9. True but slavery was part of the economics

They wanted to own other folks to enrich themselves - Eric Williams classic, Capitalism and Slavery, demonstrated the links between capitalism and slavery.

[jwirr]

12. Ironically the issue was both - to the south the slaves were an economic issue. Without them the

huge plantations could not have continued. You forget that the owners of slave did not see them as folks.

[KingCharlemagne]

10. Just a heads-up that there is a strain of thought that argues that the

American Revolution against the British was fought in part precisely to maintain the institution of slavery in the face of a rising tide of abolitionism within the political classes of the UK. Don't remember the historians who put forward this line and it's not my area of expertise so I'm ill qualified to judge its merits. But the strain is there in the historiography.

[malaise]

11. Not a historian myself but I'll

ask a colleague if he read that argument. Very interesting indeed.

[jwirr]

13. Wow, that is really possible. I have read a lot about the abolition movement in the UK.

[malaise]

16. I know a lot about the Abolitionist movement in England

because we were closely connected. The Quakers had a profound influence on the movement and the slave trade in Britain ended long before emancipation with the Parliamentary Act of 1807. Our Emancipation Day in the English speaking Caribbean was 1st August 1834 with a four year apprenticeship period.

I would love to read the books with that argument.

[jwirr]

17. Thank goodness fot the Quakers. Have a few in my family tree and they are the ones I am most

proud of. They seemed to find themselves advocating for good in a lot of situations. Of course some also owned slaves.

[kwassa]

14. It was only after the Confederates bombed Pearl Harbor did we enter the fray ...