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malaise

(269,004 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 03:58 PM Jun 2015

White supremacist calls Charleston 'a preview of coming attractions'

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/28/harold-covington-northwest-front-dylann-roof-manifesto-charleston-shooting
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Dylann Roof refers to Harold Covington’s white separatist group, the Northwest Front, in his alleged manifesto. The rightwing sci-fi writer distances himself from the shooting, but his followers speculate if his work influenced Roof’s actions
harold covington northwest front
Harold Covington, a rightwing science fiction writer, is the founder of the white separatist group, the Northwest Front, which Dylann Roof mentions in his alleged manifesto.

Sam Thielman in New York
Sunday 28 June 2015 13.30 BST

One of the shadowy figures who appears to have influenced alleged Charleston killer Dylann Roof is Harold Covington, the founder of a white separatist movement and, within supremacist circles, an influential sci-fi author. Covington, the latest in a long line of rightwing sci-fi writers, has been linked to racist crimes in the past and this week called the massacre “a preview of coming attractions”.

The racist manifesto and photos apparently posted by Roof makes mention of the Northwest Front, created by Covington, a former member of the American Nazi party who traveled to South Africa and Rhodesia in order to agitate for white power. In the accompanying photos, Roof wore patches with Rhodesian and apartheid-era South African flags on them.

Covington, if you believe his website, runs a growing enclave of white supremacists near Seattle called the Northwest Front. The non-profit group is reflected in a series of sci-fi novels, authored by Covington, about a dystopian future in which a white nation is the only answer to US economic and racial woes.
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White supremacist calls Charleston 'a preview of coming attractions' (Original Post) malaise Jun 2015 OP
Yep, saw that...take care, they really hate you, and me randys1 Jun 2015 #1
They don't hate you AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #26
Fascism comes with blanket hatred for anyone who doesn't actively enable it. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #33
I guess I see it more like an inane fear that in reality makes little sense, oh I've been AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #36
Having been gay-bashed, I have stared such hatred in the face when I was 20. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #37
I'm so sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance in this world, I really am, I think AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #39
Right back at you, inasfar as needed. n/t Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #41
Our very own US home-grown Terrorists. 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #2
You have to peacefully protest Wall $treet hifiguy Jun 2015 #7
Or be Muslim. eom Fawke Em Jun 2015 #27
And this guy gets some kind of free pass, just a hater, not a terrorist. Bullshit on that, these RKP5637 Jun 2015 #3
"Buy my books" he forgot to add. arcane1 Jun 2015 #4
And nothing will be done to prevent these terrorists from getting weapons. Initech Jun 2015 #5
It's another for profit industry malaise Jun 2015 #6
I think it is too late to stop them from getting guns. They are the doomsdayers and militia that jwirr Jun 2015 #20
Info. and video of H. Covington, Northwest Front Neo-Nazi appalachiablue Jun 2015 #8
Good effin' grief malaise Jun 2015 #10
He minds me of Nino (Scalia), long lost pasta brother writer? with an Indiana Jones fedora : ( appalachiablue Jun 2015 #18
LOL malaise Jun 2015 #22
Brother Ben's insights into Harold Covington's ideology, worth the read- appalachiablue Jun 2015 #15
You are right this is a good read. And his insight into his brother gives us a good look at the jwirr Jun 2015 #25
thanks...this is really insightful. n/t ms liberty Jun 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Jun 2015 #21
They have their very own Ayn Rand it seems full of crackpot ideas too. Cleita Jun 2015 #9
They're way more organized than they're letting on malaise Jun 2015 #12
They are organized because they started out as a church decades ago so they got that Cleita Jun 2015 #13
He looks like Saul from Homeland gotj90 Jun 2015 #11
If transcribing your wet dreams to pen and paper makes you a writer then Solly Mack Jun 2015 #14
ROFL malaise Jun 2015 #16
I joke but I think about Tom Metzger and know Covington is just the same. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #28
I sure as hell hope these terrorists get as much attention from "homeland" security .... etherealtruth Jun 2015 #17
I think we do ourselves a disservice by not taking them seriously. They are gun owners, often jwirr Jun 2015 #19
This person is in Olympia, WA and with Northwest Front whose website says Seattle. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #24
How surprised should I pretend to be? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #23
Keyboard warrior hoping he can turn on a crazy to do what he himself would never do AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #29
Unfortunately :( appalachiablue Jun 2015 #31
This group should be labeled a terrorist organization. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #30
Yes, and that idiot should be indicted for making terroristic threats. GaYellowDawg Jun 2015 #32
You're welcome Uncle Joe malaise Jun 2015 #35
It's good to see you as well, malaise. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #38
IMO Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #40
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
33. Fascism comes with blanket hatred for anyone who doesn't actively enable it.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jun 2015

So I guess that you, and me, and most everyone on this site would be a target of their hatred. But especially the African-American community.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
36. I guess I see it more like an inane fear that in reality makes little sense, oh I've been
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

Attacked verbally and a couple of times physically but more of a reaction I guess to push me back..

I just don't see how you can hate someone you honestly do not even know, you might hate his or hers ideas, looks, clothes etc, but hating , truly hating without an installment of fear I perhaps innocently view as impossible...

And as animals have shown us, when they fear they tend to attack with an irrational mindset...

If it is possible we need to address that fear

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
37. Having been gay-bashed, I have stared such hatred in the face when I was 20.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

The reason you cannot conceive it is because you are confident of yourself. Self-confidence is the very thing that prevents irrational fear from taking over thoughts and behaviour.

Those who lack a critical amount of self-confident MAY fall into hating others, depending on the rest of their character.

On of the effects of the gay-bashing is that to this day, I have been lacking some self-confidence myself. And I sometimes feel fear turning into hatred inside me (including self-hatred). Addressing those fears requires some mental effort, but it always starts with ac knowledging that I'm falling into a destructive pattern of thought. The problem of a lot of those violent bigots out there is that their fears turn to hatred regularly, and they never see it as a problem, inanely supposing that violence and death will solve all.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
39. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with such ignorance in this world, I really am, I think
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jun 2015

your right that at times I do have a self confidence but I have to fight my own self to retain it.

I guess you can say I'm a battered female, years of it, both physical and mental, these days mostly mental but within the last couple of years I've been kicked down the stairs, had a gun. To my head, had knives thrown at me and called every conceivable name one uses to express rage and inspire fear...

I've learned but obviously not fully understood that it's not me, it's a lack of strength and honor the other possesses, granted there are times when it can bring me down pretty low but I guess the inner self worth I once possessed fully keeps my head above the fray..

Perhaps it's my lack of fear of death as well which allows me to at least stare down my oppressor even if I am forced to remain silent...

Picking my battles in life is important as I see it as well as knowing For a fact, others have it worse, that angers me more when others are attacked

I hope you soon become free of such irrational ignorance, your right, the hate ignorantly thrown your way..

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. Our very own US home-grown Terrorists.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

And why are they not being locked up and water-boarded again?

Oh that's right we don't do that anymore, but we certainly need to be more aggressive about investigating, arresting and prosecuting these terrorists.

.. or do they get a pass?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. You have to peacefully protest Wall $treet
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

to get beaten up and pepper-sprayed before they toss you into jail.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
3. And this guy gets some kind of free pass, just a hater, not a terrorist. Bullshit on that, these
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

individuals are domestic terrorists IMO. I sure hope he's on a watch list or whatever. And some call it free speech. In my book he's working hard to incite terrorist activities.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. "Buy my books" he forgot to add.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jun 2015

These idiots have been masturbating to the "race war" fantasy for decades, and every year it becomes more and more of a fantasy.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
5. And nothing will be done to prevent these terrorists from getting weapons.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

No shooting, no matter how high the body count, no matter the personal cost, will get people to care about gun control. Not one damn thing will be done to prevent future tragedies like this from happening. Not one damn thing. If anything the NRA will make it easier.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. I think it is too late to stop them from getting guns. They are the doomsdayers and militia that
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jun 2015

have been arming for decades if not longer. They think they have no manhood if they are not carrying a gun.

appalachiablue

(41,135 posts)
8. Info. and video of H. Covington, Northwest Front Neo-Nazi
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jun 2015

SPLC Report, 2003, Neo-Nazi Harold Covington, Northwest Front

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2003/summer/smelly-cheese


Harold Covington, The Browning of America, 2012 pre-election


appalachiablue

(41,135 posts)
18. He minds me of Nino (Scalia), long lost pasta brother writer? with an Indiana Jones fedora : (
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jun 2015

The middle ages romance occult crap with knights and damsels he writes is Nazi Wagner mythology with cheese, (parmesan).
His bro. Ben's story of him as a loser in my other post is insightful-

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. You are right this is a good read. And his insight into his brother gives us a good look at the
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jun 2015

making of a racist minus the mental illness. It is a slow process that rewrites history in many ways.

Response to appalachiablue (Reply #8)

malaise

(269,004 posts)
12. They're way more organized than they're letting on
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jun 2015

No wonder they attacked Napolitano back in 2009

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. They are organized because they started out as a church decades ago so they got that
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

organization skill behind them and many of them were VietNam vets so they got the military mind organization skill behind them.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
14. If transcribing your wet dreams to pen and paper makes you a writer then
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

everyone who ever had a letter published in Penthouse Forum must be Nobel laureates for literature.

Sick fuck.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
17. I sure as hell hope these terrorists get as much attention from "homeland" security ....
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

.... the FBI (or whoever is supposed to be monitoring terrorists) as they do to suspect "Islamic terrorists"

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. I think we do ourselves a disservice by not taking them seriously. They are gun owners, often
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

part of some militia and have the old KKK as a model.

appalachiablue

(41,135 posts)
24. This person is in Olympia, WA and with Northwest Front whose website says Seattle.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015

Killer Dylann Storm Roof had their material and stuff from other white nationalist organizations like the CoCC, the Council of Conservative Citizens that's donated to many GOP pols for decades.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
32. Yes, and that idiot should be indicted for making terroristic threats.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jun 2015

It is long past time that terrorists escaped their rightful label just for being white.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
40. IMO
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

These guys are scared of their own shadows however I don’t believe for one hot second that they are even remotely in charge of anything. This is a designed system of control, these sheep have a Shepard that remains outside of the public's view, these clowns serve a purpose in the bigger picture. Divide and conquer is the agenda, the elite’s biggest fear is unity always has been History is a great teacher.

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