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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:40 AM Jun 2015

Mississippi Lawmaker Floats Getting Rid Of Marriage Licenses Altogether

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex couples have a right to marry, some state officials are looking into opting out of issuing marriage licenses entirely.

Republican Mississippi state Rep. Andy Gipson, the chairman of the state house judiciary committee, told the Clarion-Ledger that the state is looking into eliminating state marriage licenses.

"One of the options that other states have looked at is removing the state marriage license requirement," he said. "We will be researching what options there are. I personally can see pros and cons to that. I don't know if it would be better to have no marriage certificate sponsored by the state or not. But it's an option out there to be considered."

Clerks in Mississippi were ordered on Friday not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples until the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals lifts its stay on gay marriage.

Lawmakers in two other states have considered bills that would nix state marriage licenses. Oklahoma legislation would eliminate marriage licenses and instead allow officials to sign off on marriage papers.

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Mississippi Lawmaker Floats Getting Rid Of Marriage Licenses Altogether (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2015 OP
This is so vindictive and short sighted JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #1
UGH Iliyah Jun 2015 #2
Rachel covered this last Friday. Her response was simple and concise. longship Jun 2015 #3
If we can't play by my rules, I'm taking my ball and go home. bulloney Jun 2015 #4
That's it: A temper tantrum by a spoiled child gratuitous Jun 2015 #5
Fine, they can hold their breath StarlightGold Jun 2015 #6
The only problem is that people can and will suffer while mythology Jun 2015 #9
Actually, that is a good idea. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #7
You...you...Anarchist..you! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #8
But the government does have a responsibility to ensure that the mythology Jun 2015 #10
No need to take benefits of marriage away even if there is no license. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #13
This is what bigots do. Yavin4 Jun 2015 #11
All this could have been avoided if LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #12
If they nix marriage licenses, someone needs to set up shop as "God's House of Wedded Bliss" Solly Mack Jun 2015 #14

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
1. This is so vindictive and short sighted
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

If Chris Christie by edict removes my marriage license - the raised one with a seal from Trenton -

My entire application for citizenship based on marriage in Italy goes away. I would essentially be trapped by America from inheriting property my husband accumulated prior to marriage and possibly screwed on what we have together - over there - by the American government.

Will the answer be for us to just give up our citizenship so we can be very married?

Are they thinking this through? Nope - they aren't.

They are throwing a massive temper tantrum and behaving like childish spoiled brats just because they didn't get their way.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Rachel covered this last Friday. Her response was simple and concise.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jun 2015

An eye rolling "Good luck with that."

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
4. If we can't play by my rules, I'm taking my ball and go home.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

Do these cretins really believe the institution of marriage is destroyed? Or are they just so blinded by hate toward a group that's different from them that they lose all rational thought processes?

The conservatives have fought against equal rights against three main groups in the past century or so, and lost - Blacks, women and now, gays.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. That's it: A temper tantrum by a spoiled child
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

Look for more stamping of little feet, threats to hold their breath until they turn blue, and screaming runs to their room where they'll slam the door. Real hard.

Then you'll be sorry.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. The only problem is that people can and will suffer while
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jun 2015

This incompetence gets sorted out. Hopefully it can be slapped down quickly.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
7. Actually, that is a good idea.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

and here is why.

In the SCOTUS ruling, they referred 86 times to "the right" to marry.

A right is a thing that you inherently possess as a consequence of being human.
You have the right to free speech.
You have the right to freedom of religion.
You have the right to keep personal effects, such as papers and property, free from unreasonable search and seizure.
You have the right to personal property which may not be taken from you by the government without compensation at its fair market value.

At the moment any entity requires you to obtain a license you no longer have a right -- you have a privilege.

a right requires no permission from anyone to exercise.

Something to think about.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
8. You...you...Anarchist..you!
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jun 2015
The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual. Mikhail Bakunin
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. But the government does have a responsibility to ensure that the
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

Benefits of marriage are available. If you take that away there's no protection for guaranteeing your spouse can come visit you in the hospital or you can file joint taxes.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. No need to take benefits of marriage away even if there is no license.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jun 2015

You just register that you are married.
Exactly as is done in some other countries.
"Proving" a marriage does not infringe on a right to be married.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
11. This is what bigots do.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jun 2015

The response to allowing Blacks to sit any where on the bus was to de-fund public transportation. The response to de-segregating schools was to de-fund public education.

LuvNewcastle

(16,855 posts)
12. All this could have been avoided if
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jun 2015

our governor hadn't gone on tv and acted like a big fucking baby. He is a fundie, and he once said that all Democrats care about is aborting babies. All he had to do was state his disapproval of the decision and declare that Miss. would follow the law. But no, we have to do things the hard way in this state so politicians can stroke their egos. I wish I could go to Jackson and vomit on him and the rest of those teabillies.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
14. If they nix marriage licenses, someone needs to set up shop as "God's House of Wedded Bliss"
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jun 2015

and issue genuine and sanctified holy writs of marriage for $1,000 a pop.

They'd get takers.

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