What would you do with David Sweat, the NY prison escapee?

[brooklynite]

A number of people here felt that, if Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wasn't sentenced to death, it would be cruel to put him in isolation in a SuperMax prison.

David Sweat, the captured escapee, is facing a life sentence for murder. Reportedly, the escape plan included killing the husband of their accomplice. NYS effectively doesn't have a Death Penalty, so Sweat had nothing to lose in his behavior (other than being shot trying to make it to the border). Now that he's back in custody, what would you do with him?

[Yo_Mama]

1. Well, he's not going to be on the honor block any more.

Obviously he'll be in more restricted confinement.

[brooklynite]

2. Current news is that he's likely to be in isolation for several years...

[panader0]

7. I heard that there is no honor block since the escape.

The other inmates on the honor block are seriously pissed at Sweat

[Uncle Joe]

3. I don't believe in capital punishment so I

would put back in prison, without the possibility of parole if that's not already the case and keep him there for the rest of his life.

Thanks for the thread, brooklynite.

[Ham Sandwich]

4. Transfer him to solitary in Sing Sing

and revoke all privileges for five years. 5 minutes showers every other week, nothing but basic nutrition, no books, no paper, no nothing.

Let him sit there and think about what he has done, and lights are on 24/7 (LED type, not the one that makes it so hot).

[MicaelS]

5. Let NY State deal with him.

They made their messy bed. Let Cuomo clean up his own shit. Don't pawn him of on the Feds. I'm sure NS State has a high security facility. Put him there.

[leftynyc]

38. You blame Cuomo for the escape?

On what grounds?

[MicaelS]

49. He is the top official of the stste.

He is ultimately responsible IMO.

[leftynyc]

55. That would be equal

to blaming Pres Obama (or Nikki Haley) for the church shooting but whatever.

[unblock]

6. why does the focus have to be on what to do with *him*?

how about we make prisons more physically secure?
how about we prosecute and imprison those who helped him escape?
how about we revamp our prison personnel procedures to make them more difficult to escape from?

"we couldn't hold you in a porous prison" is a terrible excuse for a government to kill one of its subjects. not that there are any good excuses....

[Wilms]

17. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. I think he should spend the night in The Box.

[betsuni]

9. Put him back in a regular prison and let him sweat out the rest of his sentence. nt

[geek tragedy]

10. Put him in gen pop with the other prisoners who will lose

privileges/benefits at the prison because of his stunt.

[AuntPatsy]

11. Treat humans like animals and we cannot pretend shock when they exhibit animal

characteristics

[brooklynite]

12. And by "treat humans like animals" you mean, let them cook for themselves?

These were "trusted" prisoners in an honor block.

[AuntPatsy]

34. I meant exactly what I said, animals have different ways of preparing food and

Taking care of themselves, it doesn't distract from the simple fact they are still animals...

[brooklynite]

35. So what exactly would you have changed in their prior incarceration?

[AuntPatsy]

54. I absolutely am one hundred percent against solitary, as I stated, it's cruel punishment,

I don't believe animals should be forced into such tight confinement either,

[brooklynite]

57. These prisoners were never in solitary...they were in an honor block

[AuntPatsy]

58. Not true , they absolutely have experienced solitary

[leftynyc]

39. How exactly was he being treated like

an animal? What would you do with someone who has already been convicted of murder and plans to murder someone else (that he's already admitted to)?

[Snobblevitch]

13. Take away all privileges (let read as many books as he likes)

and feed him nutraloaf.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. I'd fix him, but good

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/

[alittlelark]

15. My dad showed me his art.....

Let him live w/o pen, pencil or paper..................

[MADem]

20. I thought it was the dead guy who was the more prolific artist...?

I think he should be locked back up, and not given access to power tools.

[dlwickham]

53. no power tools?

big meanie

[DawgHouse]

22. Richard Matt was the artist, not Sweat.

[get the red out]

16. Prison for life

Maximum security.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. Nothing special - charge him with the relevant felony/felonies and tack it on to his sentence

He has been sentenced to life without parole already. He can go back to Clinton CF or to some other prison in the state if they feel he needs more secure housing.

I find this thread a bit mystifying. Are we supposed to be more pro-death penalty now? Is this supposed to be some kind of "Gotcha" moment for death penalty advocates? What a bizarre premise that would be. Mr. Sweat didn't want to be in prison anymore, so he escaped. Nobody was actually injured by him during this process.

In any case, New York state has an escape statute, which I believe gets Mr. Sweat 5 more years if convicted. If they can prove the burglaries, charge him with those as well. Why anything above being charged with those crimes is called for is a mystery.

Put him back in and let him serve his time. What's the difficulty here?

[MADem]

21. Yeah, I don't get it either.

I don't think he will be too motivated to try to escape, assuming he lives. And five years added to life is still life, so there ya go...!

I don't think he needs to be working around power tools anymore, that's for sure.

[alcibiades_mystery]

24. He'll get some stretch in a disciplinary unit. Eventually he'll be moved back to

some general population unit.

In 10 or 15 years he'll cool down further, and so on.

We understand quite well the life cycle of life-without-parole prisoners.

[neverforget]

19. Serve out the rest of his sentence. What do you think?

[DawgHouse]

23. No more tools.

Serve the rest of his sentence.

[NaturalHigh]

25. After his medical needs have been attended to...

I would put him in the strictest lockdown possible. It's not fair for the public to have to worry about this worthless bastard ever escaping again. If the law allows him to be transferred to supermax, send him to supermax.

[liberal N proud]

26. No more honor, no more tools, no more utinsils

he would only get plastic spoons to eat with, no fork, no knife, just spoons.

He just shouldn't get any opportunities and live his life in captivity with nothing to do.

[leftynyc]

40. And I would search his cell

a few times a day to make sure he isn't getting stuff from anyone else.

[jberryhill]

27. Depends. What does he have in mind?

I doubt he and I have many common interests, and I imagine it would be difficult to schedule a time for us to do much of anything.

[B Calm]

28. Hell he'll probably run for president under the republican ticket. eom

[Vinca]

29. I'd put him in a prison that isn't half country club like that one in NY seemed to be.

If he acts up and causes problems I'd transfer him to SuperMax. The choice is his.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Res ipsa loquitur

I'd put him in a prison that isn't half country club like that one in NY seemed to be.

The prison is sometimes referred to as New York's Little Siberia due to the cold climate in Dannemora and the isolation of the area. It is the largest maximum security prison and the third oldest prison in New York.

[Vinca]

44. And prisoners get to wear civilian clothes, have special food brought in and swap artwork

or whatever for their tools to escape. Sounds a little loosy-goosy to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. We should put the blame where it belongs and that's on the corrupted prison officials...

We should put the blame where it belongs and that's on the corrupted prison officials who allowed it to happen.

[Vinca]

47. I agree completely, but prisons ought to be prisons.

Since I wrote my previous post I heard a news report of one prisoner up there describing the place as having a "block party" atmosphere.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Don't know but I don't believe in torture and solitary confinement is torture./nt

[KingCharlemagne]

32. So I take it you're opposed to drawing and quartering the convict, then? - nt

[JonLP24]

33. I'd probably get in trouble if I let him if he showed up

I'd tell him no, I heard CNN is covering your escape, tell him to try somewhere else.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

36. "Beware of those in whom the urge to punish is strong." - Goethe

[MindPilot]

37. hit the nail squarely with that one!

I am disgusted by the punitive and authoritarian calls for harsher punishments and even crueler punishments. Some of you who call yourselves liberal and progressives are straight up hypocrites. "i don't believe in the death penalty, but torture is A-Ok with me!!"

This thread is literally a bunch of supposed progressives discussing the most agreeable way to torture somebody.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

42. Well said

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Your post is EXACTLY what I was thinking... How can you believe yourself to be liberal/progressive/compassionate and yet so easily justify and endorse suffering and humiliation concerning the fate of another human being?

[RobinA]

45. DU Isn't

all that liberal or progressive these days, from what I've seen.

[Orsino]

41. I would raise him in a society that gave a damn...

...that had given his family and forebears a good shot at financial success while securing their basic needs, including psychiatric evaluation and treatment.

Of course, if I didn't want to go to all that trouble, I'd just throw him back into prison and proclaim him a bad, bad man.

[RobinA]

43. Back To Prison

without access to power tools. Nothing is changed. Probably not the good boy section, but other than that...

[bigwillq]

48. Super Max for Life (nt)

[lindysalsagal]

50. Definitely a candidate for the subcutaneous GPS chip

So he can't put us all through this again.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. I haven't been following the story

[Cleita]

52. Put him in the army and send him to fight ISIS in Syria or Africa.

Put his talents to use killing other sociopaths.

[madokie]

56. Throw his ass back in the slammer

take away his special privileges so this can never happen again.
No need to get all western with him other than locking his sorry ass us in a very secure cell.

[Sunlei]

59. back in prison, with more years on his sentence for escape* is enough 'punishment'.

*escape and whatever crimes he did while out there.

Not solitary, that is torture IMO.