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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:17 AM Jun 2015

Arkansas Clerk Will Resign To Avoid Issuing Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

A county clerk in Arkansas will resign on Tuesday due to a moral objection to issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, ArkansasOnline reported on Monday.

Dana Guffey, who served as a clerk in Cleburne County for 24 years, said that her decision to leave the post was not made out of hate, according to ArkansasOnline.

Arkansas state Sen. Jason Rapert (R) published a tweet on Sunday with the news that a clerk in the state would resign over the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples have the right to marry.

Sen. Jason Rapert

‏@jasonrapert

And it begins - I have just been advised one Arkansas County Clerk will resign before issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. #resist

Arkansas, USA

https://twitter.com/jasonrapert/status/615232087541452800


Rapert said he would support clerks who refuse to issue licenses to same-sex couples. "I encourage all political leaders of Arkansas and leaders in the faith community to rally around County Clerks who choose to refuse to comply with an unjust ruling that violates religious freedom and states rights," he wrote in a Sunday Facebook post. "I encourage all likeminded political leaders around the entire nation to do the same. We cannot sit idly by while 5 robed lawyers try to seize power from the states and the people."

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Arkansas Clerk Will Resign To Avoid Issuing Same-Sex Marriage Licenses (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2015 OP
She resigns to avoid SSM licensing.. Ham Sandwich Jun 2015 #1
She can look for another state job underpants Jun 2015 #6
I can't think of a state "clerical" type job Sheepshank Jun 2015 #32
The clerk is a guy, picture of him at the link to the full article DonViejo Jun 2015 #7
negative- Cleburne County Clerk Dana Guffey snooper2 Jun 2015 #13
Ooops. Sorry, you're correct. Picture being shown by TPM.... DonViejo Jun 2015 #15
No she is a woman, read the article. we can do it Jun 2015 #14
Thank you for creating a job opening liberal N proud Jun 2015 #2
Excellent! Others that can't perform their jobs should resign too. In fact, they should be fired! nt RKP5637 Jun 2015 #3
Suit yourself, bigot. Your hatred will eventually eat you alive. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #4
Good riddance madokie Jun 2015 #5
my thoughts exactly MissMillie Jun 2015 #20
I wish all of the hatemongers would resign and Jamastiene Jun 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author prayin4rain Jun 2015 #18
Like DUH! It involves far more than "5 robed lawyers." Millions upon millions in this RKP5637 Jun 2015 #9
Fine. There are plenty of people who'll do the job. Arkana Jun 2015 #10
Don't let the door hit you as you leave. MineralMan Jun 2015 #11
I hold no ill will towards her. I disagree with her moral posture CBGLuthier Jun 2015 #12
You can force someone to do their job, though. ladyVet Jun 2015 #22
No, you can not force someone to do something. She quit CBGLuthier Jun 2015 #24
Yes, she's doing the right thing by quitting. Mariana Jun 2015 #35
Now THAT is the proper response to feeling you are unable to do your job. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #16
it has been almost 30 years since I applied for a marriage license, but I seem to logosoco Jun 2015 #17
Well good for her. It is the honorable thing to do. Others should do the same. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #19
good resign bigot and no unemployment benefits for quitters. Sunlei Jun 2015 #21
Arkansas is a Common-law marriage state? you don't even need a marriage license or any civil clerk Sunlei Jun 2015 #23
GoFundMe page up in 3,...2,...1,... central scrutinizer Jun 2015 #25
She'll also be hailed at her church Mariana Jun 2015 #37
Dana has every right to resign if she can't or won't do her job. merrily Jun 2015 #26
I'll say this: I respect her... Adrahil Jun 2015 #27
Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. MadrasT Jun 2015 #28
He's gonna resign. Well, it's free country. rock Jun 2015 #29
Good. Do your job, or quit. JoePhilly Jun 2015 #30
Don't let the door hit your bigoted ass MoonRiver Jun 2015 #31
May her self-imposed retirement be long and leisurely, with ample time to reflect on bias & bigotry. Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #33
Good. n/t AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #34
Good (for resigning). What other exemptions to serving the public did the jerk harbor? n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #36
I'm wondering if she has really thought this out, other than pressure from the preacher and Hestia Jun 2015 #38
Well, bye. frylock Jun 2015 #39
 

Ham Sandwich

(23 posts)
1. She resigns to avoid SSM licensing..
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

She has to go find another job, because her state benefits were cut off the minute she quit and she won't get any of them.

Can you imagine going to Unemployment Office trying to look for UI and the clerk laughs at your reason for quitting, and said "Not a valid reason for collecting UI - so you better go find a job fast because I also see that you owe thousands of dollars in back taxes"

underpants

(182,830 posts)
6. She can look for another state job
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jun 2015

And she probably will. Trust me, she isn't going to find protections and benefits out in the private sector like you have in state jobs.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
32. I can't think of a state "clerical" type job
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jun 2015

that doesn't entail some sort of interraction and benefit provided to gay persons. I work with City and County Recorders and it is a clerical job.

She will have to put her sensibilities aside if she wants a State Job, or justify the heck out of the idea that with any other state jobs she will be responsible to process applications for health care, medicare, medicade, driver licenses, state tax filings, food stamps, UI, job searches, housing, student loans, etc to gay person, and it's only the marriage license she is opposed to providing. More importantly, all those benefits are provided to gay persons whose benefits are calculated based on status of "single", "married" or "family". Maybe a state job isn't in the best interests of the public.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. negative- Cleburne County Clerk Dana Guffey
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

Picture of idiot fundie lady




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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
15. Ooops. Sorry, you're correct. Picture being shown by TPM....
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

here, http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire suggests she is a guy. My bad. Thanks for setting the record straight (I can't decide if the pun is intended)

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
8. I wish all of the hatemongers would resign and
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jun 2015

let those jobs be filled by people capable of doing their job.

Gay marriage does not violate religious freedom.

Response to Jamastiene (Reply #8)

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
9. Like DUH! It involves far more than "5 robed lawyers." Millions upon millions in this
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jun 2015

country, millions on earth, have had their rights trashed by hatred and bigotry for no other reason than moronic beliefs by bigoted fools in obsolete superstitious behavior written by primitives eons ago, and some rationale not even written.

These bigots should stand up on their own bigoted beliefs than hiding behind religion to justify their obnoxious hatred and repulsive behavior. Try to do some good in life than justifying your accomplishments in life as sheer hatred for hate sake and a feel good for you through persecution and hatred.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
10. Fine. There are plenty of people who'll do the job.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jun 2015

You wanna quit your job because gays are icky? Fine.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. Don't let the door hit you as you leave.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015

Those who refuse to do their job should simply be fired summarily. If your job is to issue marriage licenses, then issue them. It's not your job to refuse them to people whose marriages you don't like. If it were, people would be refusing them to many couples for many reasons.

You don't get to decide anything. You simply issue the marriage licenses. It's their decision to marry, not yours to allow them to marry.

Good riddance!

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
12. I hold no ill will towards her. I disagree with her moral posture
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015

but instead of being an ass and refusing to issue she is quitting. If all the bigots would just quit their jobs I would find that a good enough outcome. We can not force people to do things. That is wrong too.

Seems to be a lot of glee expressed over this. Kind of sad. Like I said I do not agree with her but who the fuck are some of us to insist she do a job she does not want to do. I think they call that slavery. Let her go and concentrate your hate on those who have not left and refuse to do their jobs. Show some class DU.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
22. You can force someone to do their job, though.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

I suspect her employment contract stipulates that she follow the law and perform the duties she is assigned. Therefore, refusal to provide a marriage license to anyone legally entitled to one is dereliction of duty, and a termination offense.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
24. No, you can not force someone to do something. She quit
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

Anyone can quit. We are not slaves. We do not want slaves. Really the incessant crowing about this is getting a bit sickening. Anyone has a choice. Do the job or don't. She won't and she quit rather than do it. I was not put on this earth to run other people's lives and neither was anyone else.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
35. Yes, she's doing the right thing by quitting.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

I don't see why you're so sickened. It's reasonable for people to be happy that this bigot won't be drawing a public salary anymore.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
16. Now THAT is the proper response to feeling you are unable to do your job.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

If you can't bring yourself to actually do what's legally part of your job, then quit and clear the way for someone who will.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
17. it has been almost 30 years since I applied for a marriage license, but I seem to
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

recall that the only thing the clerk needed to know was that we were who we said we were, that we were not married to anyone else at the time and that we were not related. Other than that, there are no other things a clerk needs to know. Anything else is the clerk putting personal judgement in it and, if they cannot stop themselves from doing that, they most certainly need to find another job. Maybe one where they aren't really working with people, since they are so judgmental.

Edited to add: the clerk also needs to know you have the fee.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
19. Well good for her. It is the honorable thing to do. Others should do the same.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

I don't agree with her but if she really feels that way then this is the honorable thing to do.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. Arkansas is a Common-law marriage state? you don't even need a marriage license or any civil clerk
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

or any church or any official ceremony

Common law and statutory marriage have the following characteristics in common:
1.Both parties must freely consent to the marriage
2.Both parties must be of legal age to contract a marriage or have parental consent to marry
3.Neither party may be under a disability that prevents him or her from entering into a valid marriage - e.g. they must both be of sound mind, neither of them can be currently married, and some jurisdictions do not permit prisoners to marry.

Otherwise, common law marriage differs from statutory marriage as follows:
1.There is no marriage license issued by a government and no marriage certificate filed with a government
2.There is no formal ceremony to solemnize the marriage before witnesses
3.The parties must hold themselves out to the world as husband and wife (this is not a requirement of statutory marriage)
4.Most jurisdictions require the parties to be cohabiting at the time the common law marriage is formed. Some require cohabitation to last a certain length of time (e.g. three years) for the marriage to be valid. But cohabitation alone does not create a marriage. The parties must intend their relationship to be, and to be regarded as, a legally valid marriage.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
27. I'll say this: I respect her...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

more than I do those who simply refuse to perform their duty.

At least she recognizes that if she is unwilling to perform the duties of the office, she is unfit to serve.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
38. I'm wondering if she has really thought this out, other than pressure from the preacher and
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

Rappert (funny, support generally doesn't mean financial)? There's not much in Cleburne County as it is. There are one or two white-flight retirement communities from the North and that's about it. People who put in chicken houses from Pilgrim's Pride filed bankruptcy and lost family land around that area.

She'll have to drive aways to get employment if she really does quit, over 1/2 being on two-lane highways. It's a nightmare in ice and snow. There is very little as far as jobs go up there.

This is the ultimate cutting off your nose to spite your face situation if there ever was one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleburne_County,_Arkansas

I think she needs to get out of the limelight, take some vacation days, and really think about this. I feel she is being pushed by the wrong parties into making a horrible life decision that she'll not be able to come back from financially, while her "backers" skip off down the road wrecking havoc somewhere else.

Oh, well, live and learn...

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