I am so sick of stupid people and immature people.

[randys1]

A. If you are against a woman's right to choose (and there are at least 4 SC justices who are, think about how insane it is they hold any position in law let alone that one) you are immature. Why? Well, simple. You cant use science as a reason to be against it and you can only use religion as a reason. To use YOUR religion to decide how OTHER people can live, the definition of immature.

B. If you vote Republican yet love that you have weekends off, overtime pay, safe workplaces, vacation pay, sick pay, 40 hour workweek etc...you are DUMB as hell.


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[Igel]

1. If they can't use science to be against legalized abortion, so?

They can't use gumbo or pierogi, either.

Do you mean that somehow science is or provides an argument in favor of legalized abortion?

I mean, science says how abortions can be done. It gives a bunch of information that can be used as criteria for deciding when life begins, but life is a long series of steps. For some, quickening was the important bit. For others, genetic viability of the embryo. Some have argued for heartbeat. Or brain activity (which starts very early, but it ain't much so that's a slippery criterion.) For others, it's when the first breath is drawn. Or when the child is completely out of the birth canal. There's no reason to think it's not when the umbilical cord is cut or when the child naturally starts eating without having to suck food from a mammary gland or when it shows self-awareness or language or can fend for itself.

Science does choose which criterion is the one that defines when life begins. People do that, based on religion, on ideology, based on necessity, economics, politics, hopes. And for many, it's squishy. Some right-to-lifers, finding themselves pregnant, single or divorced, and in penury suddenly decide that life starts later than they had originally believed. Others that a pro-choice suddenly view their fetus as an unborn baby when they realize it has a face, a heartbeat, brain activity, and behaviors.

[REP]

2. Viability is pretty cut and dried

There is a definite line between when a fetus is viable outside a uterus and when it isn't. That line is unlikely to change.

When someone is looking forward to raising a child, it is not unusual for them to anticipate their future happiness. Calling an embryo or fetus an "unborn baby" doesn't change its development anymore than calling it a "bun in the oven" makes it pastry.