Catholic Vote has put out an anti marriage video

[marym625]

Just one day before the historic Supreme Court decision that makes marriage legal for same set couples, Catholic Vote put out this heart wrenching video. It's about the unbelievable horror of having to deal with the bigotry against Catholics that stand up for their beliefs. A discrimination in law that is just too much to bear. They've stolen the words of those that are actually oppressed, frightened, have laws that discriminate against them and are sometimes beaten and even killed for just being who they are, and made this video. And why not steal the words of those that have actually suffered? After all, these Catholics have to, uhm, to put up with equality in law for a minority group? No, LGBT people can still be fired for who they are so that's not it. Maybe they aren't allowed to go to their churches to worship? I give up, but it's horrible what they suffer.

Not Alone

Luckily, there's an "alternate version"

[onehandle]

1. I wonder who financed that video. Normal Catholics don't think that way.

Sounds purely political.

[marym625]

3. It is a non-profit called Catholic Vote

They're really horrible. Unfortunately, they have a fairly large following

https://www.catholicvote.org/

I was raised Catholic. Both sides of the family are devout Catholics. Probably 90% are pro-equality.

[onehandle]

9. Back when I was more involved with the church...

...it always seemed to be the same dozen or so that would be leading anti-choice, anti-equality, blatantly pro-Republcan efforts.

They would get the attention of a couple of dozen more members. This was out of a congregation with over a thousand members.

I guess every organization has a shit-stirring, troll minority.

[marym625]

10. and for whatever reason,

The negative voices are always so damn loud!

[MBS]

22. they are a self-described "conservative" (that is, far-right) organization

and (though it feels like they admit this grudgingly) independent of the Catholic Church.
And, yes, they are horrible, for just the reasons you noted.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. Supreme Court Decision on Marriage “A Tragic Error” Says President of Catholic Bishops’ Conference

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Supreme Court decision, June 26, interpreting the U.S. Constitution to require all states to license and recognize same-sex “marriage” “is a tragic error that harms the common good and most vulnerable among us,” said Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB).

The full statement follows:

Regardless of what a narrow majority of the Supreme Court may declare at this moment in history, the nature of the human person and marriage remains unchanged and unchangeable. Just as Roe v. Wade did not settle the question of abortion over forty years ago, Obergefell v. Hodges does not settle the question of marriage today. Neither decision is rooted in the truth, and as a result, both will eventually fail. Today the Court is wrong again. It is profoundly immoral and unjust for the government to declare that two people of the same sex can constitute a marriage.

The unique meaning of marriage as the union of one man and one woman is inscribed in our bodies as male and female. The protection of this meaning is a critical dimension of the “integral ecology” that Pope Francis has called us to promote. Mandating marriage redefinition across the country is a tragic error that harms the common good and most vulnerable among us, especially children. The law has a duty to support every child’s basic right to be raised, where possible, by his or her married mother and father in a stable home.

Jesus Christ, with great love, taught unambiguously that from the beginning marriage is the lifelong union of one man and one woman. As Catholic bishops, we follow our Lord and will continue to teach and to act according to this truth.

I encourage Catholics to move forward with faith, hope, and love: faith in the unchanging truth about marriage, rooted in the immutable nature of the human person and confirmed by divine revelation; hope that these truths will once again prevail in our society, not only by their logic, but by their great beauty and manifest service to the common good; and love for all our neighbors, even those who hate us or would punish us for our faith and moral convictions.

Lastly, I call upon all people of good will to join us in proclaiming the goodness, truth, and beauty of marriage as rightly understood for millennia, and I ask all in positions of power and authority to respect the God-given freedom to seek, live by, and bear witness to the truth.
http://www.usccb.org/news/2015/15-103.cfm


So that, very clearly stated, is how the Bishops think, the leadership of the Church. Are they also 'not normal'? How about Francis, who is actively opposed to equality? Not normal?

[onehandle]

42. They're even a slimmer percentage of Catholics than the vocal minority.

Like .000000000001% of Catholics.

Thanks for supporting my point.

[Spirochete]

54. Catholic Vote

Don't know much about them, but I guess they're the Torquemada branch of the Catholic church.

[napkinz]

2. message to those crying oppression & persecution ...

[font size="3"]Marriage Equality Does Not Affect Religious Liberty[/font]

June 28, 2015
by Julian Drury

Religious Conservatives love playing the victim, but with the recent marriage equality ruling, their rights are not being infringed upon

-snip-

... conservatives are trying to frame the issue as religion being infringed upon. The issue is clear by the SCOTUS ruling, however; no religious group is being forced to wed gay people. Churches are not forced by law to wed gay couples. The SCOTUS ruling merely deals with marriage certificates, the legal documents declaring someone married. Churches that do not condone gay marriage do not have to wed gay couples. However, state and local officials have to legally abide by and fulfill marriage contracts if applied for by gay couples.

The recent ruling does not threaten anyone’s religious rights. If you are a Christian and you don’t agree with gay marriage, you are not obligated to have a gay wedding. If you are a church that does not condone gay marriage, you do not have to perform gay weddings. If you are a Christian and are opposed to gay marriage, your rights to bigotry are not threatened at all in this matter.

Marriage equality is purely a secular and practical matter that had to be settled legally. While conservatives scream about “religious liberty” and “God’s law” being attacked, they should be reminded of the First Amendment. We cannot base our laws on religious law, and in no way can or should we take religion into account when denying citizens their secular legal rights. No one’s religion is threatened legally here.

If you morally disagree with the SCOTUS decision, then that is your choice. If your religion puts you in disagreement, that is your choice. But you have no legal right to enforce your religious doctrine on others by denying them their secular rights to marry. Marriage is as much a secular right of society as it is a religious right-of-passage.

read more: http://quietmike.org/2015/06/28/marriage-equality-does-not-affect-religious-liberty/

[marym625]

5. Thank you for this, napkinz.

The Catholic Church has never had to marry any two people they don't believe should be married. Same with all religious organizations. The bullshit freak out by the religious zealots is pretty unreal.

[napkinz]

11. their crying on the video is just insulting

what's next, a video of white Americans shedding tears that they're being oppressed, telling other white Americans, "You're not alone"?

unbelievable

[marym625]

14. yep.

Did you watch the parody? I love it!

[napkinz]

18. yes, the second video is brilliant!

really exposes the nonsense displayed on the first one

(as Solly Mack said, you might think the FIRST video is satire, it's so ridiculous)

[marym625]

21. I actually thought it had to be when I first saw it

Unfortunately, it's not

[Wounded Bear]

38. Well, we are infringing on their right to discriminate...

Seems everybody wants the right to treat someone like crap.

Now they will have to find a new group to hate on. Oh bother.

[napkinz]

4. ...

[marym625]

7. LOL!

Love this one!

[napkinz]

46. :)

[marym625]

49. Bawhahaha!

Good one!

[napkinz]

6. "And why not steal the words of those that have ACTUALLY suffered?"

[marym625]

8. Amen to that!

[napkinz]

12. I'm so tired of this crap from the religious right I did two threads on this subject

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026917932

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026909830

[marym625]

17. I saw the first

But I had missed the second. Great post. But it's yours so what else would it be?

Yeah, their shit is unbelievable. Truly just unbelievable. What pisses me off most is it mocks the coming out process. Something so personal and so very difficult for so many. Just horrendous

[napkinz]

23. "Just horrendous"

it's an insult to African Americans, LGBT people, Women, Native Americans, Irish Americans, Jewish Americans, Italian Americans, and so many others who at some time in our history -- and still today in many cases -- have been TRULY oppressed and persecuted.

[marym625]

26. +1000

Well said. Couldn't agree more

[Solly Mack]

13. Is that first video real? Seriously real? Because if it is...LMAO.

How can I say you're wrong, that you're going to hell, that you're less than I am, and still let you know I respect you? I so want to feel safe saying you're just not good enough and that the way you are is an abomination to all things good and decent, and still convey the love and compassion I feel for you. And respect, let's not forget the respect I feel for you even though you are an insult to everything I believe. Oh, why, oh why can't I feel safe saying these things to people I love! The world is oppressing me! The changing culture of decay has robbed me of my divine right to express my deep concerns for my fellow, albeit lesser and damned, humans.


I honestly don't know they made that without dying from embarrassment. Unless they are paid actors.


Love the 2nd video!

[napkinz]

15. Jon Stewart nails it ...

[Solly Mack]

16. Exactly. We should all be so oppressed.

[Jefferson23]

20. ha ha. I am really going to miss Stewart. n/t

[marym625]

19. yep. it's real.

I don't know if they're actors or not but it doesn't much matter. There's not enough money in the world you could pay me to say that shit.

Yeah, I love the second one!

[Solly Mack]

24. Notice how they tried to get a broad spectrum of people so as to emphasize

that they're not bigots? See? We've got people of color, women and young people! We're not bigots, we just don't think gay people deserve equal rights!

That video is truly pathetic.

[marym625]

27. It's just unreal

Like they're living in some alternate universe where oppression is freedom and freedom is oppressed.

[Jefferson23]

25. 1st video. One guys says, I feel insecure about speaking from the heart ( his heart )

As if to say, I want my gay friends, who he says he has many of, should not
challenge my bullshit...let me be free to be a bigot. lol

2nd video is priceless. I especially like the young woman..something along
the lines of..I like cooking dinner for my husband, while I breast feed my twins
at the same time, but not in public..that would be gross. Great parody.

K&R

[marym625]

29. Thanks for the K&R

Yes, she really cracked me up. Good stuff!

[Jefferson23]

31. I wonder the PR firm who assisted putting together the 1st video. Carefully choosing

language such as, insecure to imply he is the one who is being discriminated against.

Poor fellow, can't speak his mind now.

Amazing how far they'll go to allow their bias to thrive.

[marym625]

32. The part that pisses me off the most

Is the obvious insult to the coming out process. You can't know what that's like unless you go through it. Hopefully, very soon, it won't be like that but for now, it still is something deeply personal, difficult and frightening. And these fuckers use it to act like they have anything similar. Fuck them.

[Jefferson23]

35. Yes and they should be making great effort to relieve bigotry..not keep it thriving. n/t

[marym625]

37. One would think that's what a Christian would do.

But it seems, one would be mistaken

[Bluenorthwest]

39. The US Conference of Bishops is also using that 'we are persecuted, hated for Jesus' rhetoric

nt

[Jefferson23]

43. I hope with persistence against their lies that will become a failed strategy soon. Until then,

they will continue to enable hatred..that doesn't surprise anyone, I think.

With the recent court decision, I hope they have a harder time distinguishing themselves
from all the bigots, that is what they are..cloaking it with their messiah as champion
is cynical and disgusting.

[napkinz]

28. here's a challenge for the oppressed religious right ...

[marym625]

30. LOVE IT!

Absolutely love it!

[SidDithers]

34. Ricky Gervais said it well...

Sid

[marym625]

36. Good one!

Thanks for sharing this

[AZ Progressive]

40. Catholic Vote, standing up for people who want to be a bully and take rights away from other people

Shame on them for being horrible human beings and devoid of humanity. All these right wingers want to bully and oppress people that don't deserve to be bullied and oppressed, and they are all devoid of humanity. They should all be kicked out of civilization for being miserable excuses of a human being.

[marym625]

41. wouldn't that be nice,?

If we could kick people out of civilization for being oppressors and miserable excuses for human beings? I would like to do that

[mmonk]

44. Too bad for them the Catholic vote traditionally votes for the Democrats.

[marym625]

45. It must make them crazy that the Pope is preaching tolerance

And is now an outspoken advocate for the environment. Climate change being man made and all. They must be flipping

[MisterP]

47. the Mel Gibson Catholics are pretty desperate

heck, the reactionary bishops are distributivists and their hookup with the Religious Right was never more than a marriage of convenience

[napkinz]

48. kick

[marym625]

50. Thank you

I think this is done. Guess it just wasn't important to most today. Oh well. I guess it really isn't

I so appreciate you.

[napkinz]

53. :)

[Dawson Leery]

51. Buchannanite Romanism is a thing of the past.

The vast majority of self-identified Catholics do not take orders from the Cardinals and Bishops.

[marym625]

52. Yeah, Cardinal George in Chicago

Was NOT well liked. At least not when it came to his vehement opposition to the LGBT community. He hhad those that obviously followed him and hung on his every word, but they did not represent the majority rank and file Catholic in Chicago

[Arugula Latte]

55. Boo hoo! They're only happy when they're oppressing others

to feel superior.

Sure, they believe crackers turn into Jesus flesh, but they don't believe in basic science that says being gay is innate.

Too bad they didn't get this worked up about priests raping children.

[marym625]

56. Love that last line!

The entire post is great but that last line is just perfect!

I hope you watched the second one. It's worth the time. Great retaliation video

[Arugula Latte]

57. Thank you! The 2nd video is spot on.

They nailed it!

[marym625]

58. and did it with such great humor!

Glad you enjoyed it!

[napkinz]

59. another must see video ... "Woman Posts Epic Anti-Gay Video on Facebook"

posted by LeftofObama: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026932623

as with your first video, it's not satire and it's damn hilarious

the far-right is really losing it!

[marym625]

60. WOW!

Just, wow! That's some crazy stuff

Thanks for the link!

Happy 4th!