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Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:34 PM Jul 2015

California Tax Auditors Yank Blue Shield's Non-Profit Status

In a scathing audit, state tax officials slammed nonprofit health insurer Blue Shield of California for stockpiling "extraordinarily high surpluses" — more than $4 billion — and for failing to offer more affordable coverage or other public benefits.

The California Franchise Tax Board cited those reasons, among others, for revoking Blue Shield's state tax exemption last year, according to documents related to the audit that were reviewed by The Times. These details have remained secret until now because the insurer and tax board have refused to make public the audit and related records.

Blue Shield's operations are indistinguishable from those of its for-profit healthcare competitors, the auditors found, and it should be stripped of the tax break it has enjoyed since its founding in 1939. The insurance giant does not advance social welfare, the key test for preserving its tax exemption, according to the records.

"Blue Shield is not operating exclusively for the promotion of civic betterment or social welfare," tax board officials Christie Maddox and Eddie Murillo-Corona wrote to the insurer in a 16-page report sent June 3, 2014.

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California Tax Auditors Yank Blue Shield's Non-Profit Status (Original Post) Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 OP
That's gonna leave a mark.... peacebird Jul 2015 #1
And guess what Blue Shield is going to do next. NV Whino Jul 2015 #2
As someone covered by blue shield, I have only one guess GummyBearz Jul 2015 #4
GOOD! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #3
There's a sign posted for employees at a lab I go to that tells them not to take Blue Shield.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #5
And with Four BILLION dollars to their name, I think they can well afford to pay, don't you? calimary Jul 2015 #9
Edison was pleading for a rate hike in California a while back.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #11
I would suspect "creative booking" in their case. calimary Jul 2015 #12
That's the old joke.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #15
Precisely. calimary Jul 2015 #16
K&R! Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #6
It's about time. Cleita Jul 2015 #7
And they just announced they're raising premiums TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #8
Well, there you go. Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #10
Just their nonprofits. cui bono Jul 2015 #13
Good luck with that kenfrequed Jul 2015 #19
Yup, and blaming Obamacare. tavernier Jul 2015 #21
I hope this behavior leads to single payer TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #25
A lot of people were predicting 5 years ago that this kind of crap would happen tularetom Jul 2015 #26
when has blue shield ever actually been "non-profit"???? niyad Jul 2015 #14
"Operating exclusively for the promotion of civic betterment or social welfare" gratuitous Jul 2015 #17
One goes to the crossroads to make a deal with the devil... Thor_MN Jul 2015 #28
Hmm, they just noticed? nt valerief Jul 2015 #18
Nah, Alkene Jul 2015 #22
About time, K&R. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #20
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #23
"...and for failing to offer more affordable coverage or other public benefits..." uponit7771 Jul 2015 #24
A nonprofit can hide profits pretty easily. rogerashton Jul 2015 #27
 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
4. As someone covered by blue shield, I have only one guess
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

While the right decision was likely made, there should be stipulations that prevent them from abusing the heck out of the lord knows how many people in CA they cover. They've been playing both sides of the fence milking the tax system and the consumers.... now the consumer will likely get double milked. Obamacare can you help us???

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. There's a sign posted for employees at a lab I go to that tells them not to take Blue Shield....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jul 2015

Seems they refuse to pay.

calimary

(81,321 posts)
9. And with Four BILLION dollars to their name, I think they can well afford to pay, don't you?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

This tax exemption shit HAS to go. Just HAS TO GO. All they're interested in - is profit. Just another bunch of Ferengi. I felt the same way about the NFL. NO NON-PROFIT STATUS for them!!! "Non-profit" MY ASS. I was very glad when that news broke recently! They who rake it in as obscenely as these outfits do - DESERVE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. Edison was pleading for a rate hike in California a while back....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jul 2015

They claimed they were actually losing money. Not "making less than forecast" but actually showing a loss.

Then in the middle of pleading poverty they bought Angels Stadium in Anaheim.

They didn't get their rate hike.

calimary

(81,321 posts)
12. I would suspect "creative booking" in their case.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

You get slick enough accountants and they can bend the books any way you want.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. That's the old joke....
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:40 PM
Jul 2015

The boss advertizes for an accountant and interviews three of them in his hi-rise office.

He asks the first applicant, "What's 2 and 2?"

The guy says, "4."

Furious, he grabs the first guy and throws him out of his office window to plunge to his death.

He asks the second guy, "What's 2 and 2?"

The second guy says, "5?"

Furious, he grabs the second guy and throws him out of his office window to plunge to his death.

Turning to the final applicant he asks again, "What's 2 and 2?"

The third guy says with an evil grin, "What do you want it to be?"

The boss says, "Your hired!"

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
19. Good luck with that
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jul 2015

They still have to abide by the Franken Amendment which forces them to spend 80% of their collected revenue on actual healthcare.

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
21. Yup, and blaming Obamacare.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jul 2015

The mafia's got nothing on insurance companies. What a racket. I hope they get penalized to the max!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
25. I hope this behavior leads to single payer
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

I really wanted the ACA to work. But when this kind behavior continues by the health insurance companies, it shows that we need to go to single payer or at least a public option. If they let people buy into Medicare, it could shore it up bringing in younger, healthier members. They also need to allow Medicare to negotiate on drug prices.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
26. A lot of people were predicting 5 years ago that this kind of crap would happen
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jul 2015

and that's why we needed at least a public option, because there is no such thing as a non-profit insurance company.

I don't think the president ever gave a thought to anything but a souped up private insurance program, despite what he said. I'd like to believe the whole Obamacare thing was umpteen dimensional chess, that he knew the greed of the insurers would eventually kill the ACA and result in an overwhelming public demand for single payer. But he's running out of time and unless Senator Sanders is elected president in 2016, I have no hope that such a demand will be heard.

niyad

(113,344 posts)
14. when has blue shield ever actually been "non-profit"????
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jul 2015

seriously, a huge insurance company "non-profit"???? in which multiverse???

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. "Operating exclusively for the promotion of civic betterment or social welfare"
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

Is that a California thing, or does it apply to all non-profits? Like, say, for American Crossroads, the political non-profit that Karl Rove founded and runs?

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
27. A nonprofit can hide profits pretty easily.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jul 2015

A nonprofit university I know pretty well ran a profit for years but put it in a "reserve fund" against future educational expenses, claiming that in so doing it was spending the money on its mission, education -- then the "reserve fund" was used for expansion. Now taking losses, there is no reserve fund to cover them.

Nonprofits, particularly in insurance, have been converted to for-profits. If that happens, the state government may claim a cut (in lieu of back taxes) or may require that the assets of the nonprofit be converted to a foundation with a mission somehow related to health. But in the process, the executives and directors get bonuses for their success in creating the conversion, and, if they continue as executives of the new company, probably stock options -- and the more cash the company has, the higher the new-issue stock price goes, the more benefit to insiders who get their stock at a concessionary price or as bonuses.

This is old but relevant:

http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/08/non-profit-conversions-biz-cz_crs_0109conversion.html

https://consumersunion.org/research/conversions-101/

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