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Is it bigotry to limit a contract to two parties? (Original Post) Orrex Jul 2015 OP
'Is it bigotry to limit a contract to two parties' HFRN Jul 2015 #1
Is that a contract? Orrex Jul 2015 #2
probably more an ultimatum HFRN Jul 2015 #3
This reminds me of when they were arguing LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #4
Indeed "civil unions" didn't provide all the same rights as marriage. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #7
This is a good point too el_bryanto Jul 2015 #8
You're talking about "separate but equal," and that's not the question here. Orrex Jul 2015 #10
I don't want to see anyone discriminated against. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #15
I can't tell Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #19
Corporations are legal, no? GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #5
I want to marry Apple TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #9
Please explain what that has to do with the question Orrex Jul 2015 #12
Wouldn't that depend on the rationale for the limitation? el_bryanto Jul 2015 #6
Wouldn't it depend on the entity charged with recognizing the contract? Orrex Jul 2015 #11
Well yes - but what is their rationale for doing so? el_bryanto Jul 2015 #13
Honestly, I don't know. Orrex Jul 2015 #16
so much of our law is based on property rights, I'd have to wonder if that would be KittyWampus Jul 2015 #22
the answer is that two is a number that is much more stable, promotes equality geek tragedy Jul 2015 #18
That would depend on the basis for limiting the contract. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #14
Fair enough. Orrex Jul 2015 #17
Any limitation based on ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #24
My husband will accept my bigotry -- if he knows what's good for him. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #20
Depends on what the contract is about. As a legal document, society and government KittyWampus Jul 2015 #21
What is the intention of the contract? Does that contract indirectly or directly involve anyone who Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #23
 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
1. 'Is it bigotry to limit a contract to two parties'
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jul 2015

like Republican and Democrat?

not, that's duopoly

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
3. probably more an ultimatum
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:03 AM
Jul 2015

but i didnt mean to hijack your threat with a play on words

your question is legit

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
4. This reminds me of when they were arguing
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jul 2015

whether to allow gays to have civil unions or marriage. Since marriage is considered more than just a contract, most gay people were not satisfied without full and equal marriage.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. This is a good point too
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jul 2015

If a marriage is strictly a contract between two people with certain legal considerations given it; than civil unions could be made to work (in fairness, many civil union laws did not in fact contain all of the legal protections that a marriage does, but that could have been fixed). It's clear from the debate though that marriage is more than a simple contract.

Bryant

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
10. You're talking about "separate but equal," and that's not the question here.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jul 2015

If someone can demonstate that marriage is a union between as many consenting persons as care to join, then I will be happy to consider that argument.

As long as no party in a plural marriage is abused or coerced, and no party is unfairly permitted to double up on legal benefits (e.g., claiming multiple "marriage" credits on their taxes, etc.), then I don't see how it harms anyone.

Personally, I don't have a problem with plural marriage, though I find it frankly distasteful to compare that lifestyle choice to homosexuality.

If it can be shown that polygamists have faced persecution, discrimination and abuse comparable to what the LGBTQ community continues to endure, then I suspect that people would be more sympathetic to the complaints of polygamists.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
15. I don't want to see anyone discriminated against.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jul 2015

If virtually any number of people of any sex wants to live together and call themselves married, I'm fine with that. The only problem I have is when they go beyond claiming to be married and get licensed by the government as married people. I don't think it can work in our system of laws. The small number of polygamists in this country do not justify such a profound change in our government and laws.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
19. I can't tell
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jul 2015

whether some people are actually being serious, or they are ironically mocking the arguments against gay marriage

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. Wouldn't that depend on the rationale for the limitation?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jul 2015

And the answer to the question "I would like to extend this contract to three people, why can't I?"

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
13. Well yes - but what is their rationale for doing so?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jul 2015

I get that we are talking about Marriage here - but what is the rationale for limiting it to two people?

Bryant

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
16. Honestly, I don't know.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jul 2015

As I mentioned upthread, as long as no party in a plural marriage is coerced or abused, and no party in the marriage can unfairly double up on benefits (marriage tax credit, etc.), then I don't see why it must be limited to two.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
22. so much of our law is based on property rights, I'd have to wonder if that would be
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

the vein or argument. For starters.

Then there is the welfare of minorities and children.

Then there is the greater good of society.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. the answer is that two is a number that is much more stable, promotes equality
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jul 2015

between members in the contract, and is more beneficial to the dependents of those party to the contract.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. Any limitation based on ...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jul 2015

discrete group membership, e.g., race, color, national origin, gender, religion, age, disability status, sexual orientation, would be bigoted unless it can be tied to a legitimate business reason, or related to a contract term.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
21. Depends on what the contract is about. As a legal document, society and government
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jul 2015

do have an interest in how and what contracts are made.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. What is the intention of the contract? Does that contract indirectly or directly involve anyone who
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

is not a party to the contract? A contract establishing custody of persons for example should be limited in any way that protects the person guardianship is being established for. A contract establishing certain responsibilities on each side often benefits from limited participation and as a party to such a contract I might insist on limitations on the number of responsible individuals comprising the other side. If it is your job alone to make sure I am properly paid it is easier for me to enforce your compliance than it is if the responsibility is diluted among persons.

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