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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:21 PM Jul 2015

Who remembers Jimmy Carter's warning about energy consumption?

http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2014/07/carter-crisis-speech-anniversary

Thirty-five years ago Monday evening, Jimmy Carter stared America in the eye, and invoking his promise that "I will never lie to you," gave us all a royal scolding.

It ran just over a half-hour, back in the day when such speeches were carried by all three of the commercial TV networks, in prime time, before tens of millions of viewers. Every one of those viewers had likely spent some recent time in a gasoline line, paying inflated prices for scarce fuel.

"Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to solve our serious energy problem?" asked the president, with an earnest gaze and several chopping, pounding motions with his right hand. It was a second sortie for a president who two years earlier had told us that our energy woes were "the moral equivalent of war."

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Who remembers Jimmy Carter's warning about energy consumption? (Original Post) Sancho Jul 2015 OP
He Was Right cantbeserious Jul 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #8
He made an impact on me. logosoco Jul 2015 #2
And look how we thanked him. historylovr Jul 2015 #3
I remember how everyone laughed at him like he was a crazy man. I thought he was Nay Jul 2015 #4
Ooooh, better not go there! Last time I looked, he was for Hillary. calimary Jul 2015 #16
I'm not sure why you'd think that Carter being for Hilary would bother me. I'd rather Nay Jul 2015 #33
No probably about it, Nay. I would guess he'd absolutely do the same for you. calimary Jul 2015 #34
Throw your tangent in your own OP. This OP isn't about your candidate or mine. 2banon Jul 2015 #51
No, Carter said Hillary was "inevitable" thanks to giant piles of money Fumesucker Jul 2015 #46
Exactly madokie Jul 2015 #48
Exactly! What an idiotic notion to suggest Carter's in her corner. Sheesh! 2banon Jul 2015 #53
I wonder what our situation would be if we had followed Carter's lead on conservation, CrispyQ Jul 2015 #5
Cheating and winning wasn't enough for those Reagan bastards IkeRepublican Jul 2015 #7
It's helpful to look back on this - swilton Jul 2015 #6
Back then, the focus was on energy shortages.... paleotn Jul 2015 #13
We'd be a lot better off tabasco Jul 2015 #9
Isn't that the truth.... paleotn Jul 2015 #15
Yes! SoapBox Jul 2015 #20
Republicans want you to remember it was under Carter but the gas lines were under Ford.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #10
And THAT one was under Nixon. calimary Jul 2015 #17
True. Oh, one invention that came about as a result of the 74 oil crisis.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #19
GOD, that was a shitty time. calimary Jul 2015 #23
Nixon was elected in a landslide and after Watergate nobody would admit to voting for him.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #25
Shit yeah! You couldn't pay somebody to admit they voted for Nixon! calimary Jul 2015 #28
Speaking of, where are all the Dubya defenders? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #29
Well, there was his idiot brother, for one. calimary Jul 2015 #31
Jimmy Carter was right about most things skepticscott Jul 2015 #11
I remember his fireside chat wearing a sweater Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #12
Me! catrose Jul 2015 #14
Yeah, and Clinton wouldn't put them back up out of fear of being identified with Carter. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #30
He was right BUT truebluegreen Jul 2015 #18
What if Carter had a second term? What a different world this would be. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #21
And maybe we'd be on the damn metric system finally arcane1 Jul 2015 #27
The sad thing about the metric system is that we are using it. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #47
What a good man he was - and still is. calimary Jul 2015 #22
Actually, Reagan made a cool $2 million in Japan after he left office Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #44
Yes indeed. I wouldn't have left out a detail like that! It's too damning. calimary Jul 2015 #45
Fat, lazy assed Americans could barely pull themselves out of their lazyboys to choose Reaan jtuck004 Jul 2015 #24
Reagan blamed Carter for his failed policies for eight years.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #26
A very good man and President. 99Forever Jul 2015 #32
Carter says U.S. less respected under Obama. former9thward Jul 2015 #35
A very prescient speech malaise Jul 2015 #36
I remember. n/t whathehell Jul 2015 #37
Thank you **my favorite president so sad he was followed by one of my two least favorite( tie) Person 2713 Jul 2015 #38
I do Skittles Jul 2015 #39
K&R I was a wee lad but I remember. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #41
I remember it. He made a national policy, fossil fuel magnates gave us the October Surprise. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #42
Links I posted to his plan. It was the equivalent in terms of as a war. Sorry, no time to edit: freshwest Jul 2015 #43
Unfortunately, most people don't want to believe inconvenient truths such as Carter was telling us. raccoon Jul 2015 #49
I sure do, I agreed then and so did my father but the voters went with Reagan and some still try Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #50
Count me in as remembering and getting it then.. 2banon Jul 2015 #52

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
2. He made an impact on me.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

Although I was just a teenager. I remember quite well the "put on a sweater" idea, instead of adjusting the thermostat. I still do that now at the age of 50. Right now, our AC is on, it is in the upper 80s outside and pretty humid. It is set at 79 and sometimes I turn it up to 80. Right now I could probably walk into any of the homes around me and feel like I need to put on a sweater!

It's like we don't even want to learn, or take the attitude "You can't tell ME what to do!"

Nay

(12,051 posts)
4. I remember how everyone laughed at him like he was a crazy man. I thought he was
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jul 2015

right back then and I still think he's right.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
33. I'm not sure why you'd think that Carter being for Hilary would bother me. I'd rather
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

have Sanders, but I understand that Democrats can want different things without being devils. Carter is also a Baptist and I'm an atheist, but I can recognize that he's a good person nonetheless. I would hope he'd do the same for me.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
34. No probably about it, Nay. I would guess he'd absolutely do the same for you.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jul 2015

His is a very giving and forgiving soul. A better man than I am, for certain. A better ANYTHING than I am, for certain.

The only reason I said that, and I apologize for the scent of snark, but HONEST-TO-PETE, Nay, it's been miserable around here lately, with the Bernie-or-BUST effect in full flower. For some out there, the very mention of something positive about Hillary gets you flame-throwers and battering rams and kerosene enemas. I find myself wanting to suit up with asbestos armor before weighing in here sometimes. And I'm one of the many here who've already stated they like Bernie and have vowed that, if he beats Hillary to the nomination, I would vote for him. And NOT begrudgingly, either! And I just don't hear that a whole lot coming from the other direction. At best it'll be "I'll vote for Hillary if I have to," or "I guess I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary."

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
46. No, Carter said Hillary was "inevitable" thanks to giant piles of money
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:06 AM
Jul 2015

Not exactly an endorsement of Hillary, more a condemnation of our system that is corrupted by money.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
5. I wonder what our situation would be if we had followed Carter's lead on conservation,
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jul 2015

instead of voting in 'mourning in America.' I remember being angry when they reported Reagan had the solar panels taken off the White House. Here we are 30+ years later, even more entrenched in an oil economy.

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
7. Cheating and winning wasn't enough for those Reagan bastards
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

They basically had it in the bag already and they still kept sticking it to him. Reagan himself, I believe, was too damned dumb to know what was going on; read his scripts that came down from Henry Kissingdick.

Z-Big should have cleaned their fucking clocks, as had the power to do so...and instead he hopped in bed with Papa 41.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
6. It's helpful to look back on this -
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

Reagan used this kind of talk to discredit Carter - for Reagan - no worries, it was 'morning in America'.

This political mobilization - appeal to the people was before the era of sound-bite....

Finally, there is one short-coming I see in this film - the notion that energy conservation is anthropocentric - for the benefit of people rather than bringing in the issue of climate change and making the conservation for the benefit of the health of the planet.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
13. Back then, the focus was on energy shortages....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

.....and OPEC flexing its muscle with respect to control of global oil supplies. Domestic oil extraction was virtually all conventional and declining, while enhanced recovery techniques were either in their infancy, on paper or not thought of yet. Anthropogenic global warming from fossil fuel use was theorized by academics, but the science was very young and not well known or understood in the wider community. It boiled down to transforming our economy away from petroleum as a matter of national security and reducing pollution (smog, acid rain, mercury etc.) and not much else. Whole different world back then with a whole different set of issues. But if we had stayed the course and weened ourselves off of oil starting back then, what a different world we'd live in now.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. We'd be a lot better off
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

if we listened to wise, honest men like Jimmy Carter.

And rejected con men like Reagan.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
15. Isn't that the truth....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

.....unfortunately, humans, particularly Americans, are more attracted to "ooooh shiny!" instead of "eat your vegetables." More's the pity.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. Republicans want you to remember it was under Carter but the gas lines were under Ford....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jul 2015

There was a price spike due to a manufactured crisis but it wasn't nearly as severe as the Arab Oil Embargo of '73.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
23. GOD, that was a shitty time.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jul 2015

Just brought out the very worst in human nature.

It was a very illuminating lesson (even in microcosm) in what can happen when civilization breaks down and it really, literally, becomes "every man for himself!"

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. Nixon was elected in a landslide and after Watergate nobody would admit to voting for him....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jul 2015

There was a sense of anger over the entire system and people started to turn on each other.

Then there were the hippie types like me sounding like this....

calimary

(81,323 posts)
28. Shit yeah! You couldn't pay somebody to admit they voted for Nixon!
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jul 2015

We did start wondering - with all these "oh NO I didn't!" "votes" coming in after Watergate, some of us couldn't help asking - "well, how the hell did he win, then, if NOBODY voted for him???"

It was actually kind of amusing, in a pathetic sort of way.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
29. Speaking of, where are all the Dubya defenders?
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jul 2015

Not to mention all the cheerleaders for the war in Iraq?

calimary

(81,323 posts)
31. Well, there was his idiot brother, for one.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jul 2015

Oh yeah - wait. I forgot. He changed his mind after five days of waffling and two-stepping and side-stepping and testing the wind and probably TONS of phone calls and emails and texts from various advisors telling him to find a way to walk it back.

Took him five days. Monday through Friday inclusive. Just like nikki haley. They're like the human version of 5-Day Deodorant Pads.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026957569

Omaha Steve

(99,662 posts)
12. I remember his fireside chat wearing a sweater
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jul 2015

It was later at night. It held up the areas first reruns of Star Trek in years. THAT made the local paper.
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
18. He was right BUT
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jul 2015

if his speech/leadership had more inspiration and less scolding it would have been far more effective, imo.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. What if Carter had a second term? What a different world this would be.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

Reagan never would have been President for one thing.
Oil would mainly be used as a lubricant.
Peace in the Middle East.

So many possibilities.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. And maybe we'd be on the damn metric system finally
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jul 2015

I remember being in grade school then, and one year we learned metric and everyone was amazed at how easy and sensible it was. Then it just disappeared, and was never mentioned again

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
47. The sad thing about the metric system is that we are using it.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:46 AM
Jul 2015

Look at any label on a product, it has both weights and/or volumes on it. We are using metric but haven't given up the old system.

Can you imagine not using a base 10 system for our money?

calimary

(81,323 posts)
22. What a good man he was - and still is.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jul 2015

And those reagantards just wiped their muddy shoes all over him. Laughed at him. Sneered at him. Trash-talked him.

And he turned out to be spot-on - and still is.

When Carter's Presidency ended, he went on to found the Carter Center, working for the greater good. He went on to building houses for the homeless, promoting Habitat for Humanity and literally putting that institution on the map. He earned recognition and immensely high standing internationally as a continuing advocate for human rights (which he made a hallmark of his Presidency, and put that phrase into common usage), and became THE bastion of ethics and true morals. Hell, he was called upon to be a UN observer in elections across the globe, to make sure things were legitimate and totally kosher in their operations. And that was only part of it.

When reagan's time was up (MUCH too late, in my opinion), he went off to embark upon the "mashed potato circuit" of pricey speeches (the Japanese paid him a cool two million dollars for his first speech out of the gate) - and shortly thereafter packed it in because by then he was severely afflicted with "mashed potato brains."

I always felt that was poetic justice for this particular beast. To have lived the life he led (which in anybody's estimation was a freakin' spectacular life, almost abnormally spectacular - Hollywood, big-money sponsorships and salesmanship jobs, the governorship, the Presidency, big fancy ranch up in the chi-chi mountains above the chi-chi Santa Barbara community, big bucks, big names, hot 'n' cold running celebrities and movie stars, big industry pals), only to have every last memory of it wiped away while he still lived. To live that life and achieve all that, for good AND IN PARTICULAR for bad, and then be robbed of every last memory of it in his old age. Amazing. I'm in awe.

And under those circumstances, he could have kept himself awfully comfortable in his old age if he'd still had all his marbles. Shit - I shudder to think what damage he could have done after he left office, if he'd still been able. But, thankfully, even mercifully for the rest of us, he had to be put out to pasture almost immediately. Couldn't cash in on ANY of that. That was probably the biggest tragedy for a selfish, happily ignorant, cock-eyed shit like him. All that - and he couldn't cash in on ANY of it. Not a microbe. All he could look forward to was being fed gruel and sponge-bathed and maybe a nice new bathrobe every now and then, and somebody to wipe his ass and change his diapers multiple times a day, and wipe his face whenever he started drooling. Probably couldn't even feed himself by then. The GENUINE Article under the banner "the lights are on but nobody's home." Fitting end for that bastard. Poetic justice, somehow.

I remember reading some reporter's writings about visiting him - when he was sinking fast into his rapidly liquifying brain, and the reporter spent a few minutes with him in the darkened study of his elegant Bel Air mansion (that wealthy industrialist friends had bought for him and Nancy after they left office). The shades were all drawn, and it was dimly lit inside, and he was seated comfortably in the corner in his easy chair, nearly oblivious. As the reporter later noted, there was a beautiful snow globe on the shelf near him - of the White House. And he glanced at it, or maybe the reporter remarked about it during the visit, and reagan's response was - "does that have something to do with me?"

Beautiful. Poetic justice. Poetic justice of the most EXQUISITE kind. All that - and he could remember neither a micron nor a nanosecond of it. Somehow that pleased the hell outta me. Just desserts, you bastard! If that's ALL you come away with, then it just might be an okay thing. It was WELL deserved. If THAT'S your big fat takeaway from all the damage you did - that you can't relish the memories or savor how well it worked out for you and all your little robber-baron friends or go be the guest of honor at untold ritzy 1-percenter cocktail parties and regale everybody with adorable tales of how you triumphed here or showed 'em who's boss there or conned unsuspecting and gullible voters into worshipping everything about you, and being the #1 drum major for Greed On Parade - then I'll take it.

He wound up as human oatmeal. He ended up a real cardboard cutout - with shredded paper where most people have brains. He became the walking dead. A shell of a man with nothing inside. Doomed to live on without a brain while his body held on for far too long. And I could say I enjoyed every minute of it but actually I didn't all that much. I kept wondering how long he was gonna drag on, sucking air off our planet. "Isn't he dead yet?" After awhile I started referring to him as "The Thing that Would Not Die."

Finally, the Grim Reaper got him. I'd say his carcass has fed a lot of earthworms at the Simi Valley reagan worship center, but he's probably buried in some expensive metal casket, inside a concrete fault, buried underground, kinda like nuclear waste. That's how my mother went out - I'm told it's California law. You have to have the coffin encased in a vault, and then the vault is what gets lowered into the ground. Nobody goes straight coffin-into-dirt here anymore.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
45. Yes indeed. I wouldn't have left out a detail like that! It's too damning.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jul 2015

I did like the second-to-last paragraph...

But was it appropriate, critics asked, for a former President to cash in on his White House luster so blatantly? Of the four living ex-Presidents, Jimmy Carter seems to have done the least for financial gain, spending his time instead on church-, housing-and peace-related efforts. Richard Nixon has published seven books, but accepts no honoraria for public appearances. Gerald Ford has turned himself into a one-man industry, producing endorsements, speeches and public appearances and serving on corporate boards; last year alone he earned an estimated $1 million. All that, however, pales next to Reagan's $2 million single score in Japan. Says Henry F. Graff, a Columbia University professor who specializes in the Presidency: "The founding fathers-Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison—would have been stunned that an occupant of the highest office in this land turned it into bucks."

I was surprised to hear that about Nixon - that he didn't accept any fees for speeches. Unexpectedly elegant.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
24. Fat, lazy assed Americans could barely pull themselves out of their lazyboys to choose Reaan
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

and his mourning in America ideas.

Fuck responsibility and environmental stewardship. Instead we embraced racism, chewed and burned on the planet and our people until they were nearly used up.

Then people pissed and moaned about what CARTER didn't do. What a bunch of losers. Now the nation is further behind than when it told one of the last decent statesmen to get lost.

The nation has borrowed its way into exactly where it deserves to be. If it craters the United States of Also-Rans will have no one to blame but themselves.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
26. Reagan blamed Carter for his failed policies for eight years....
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015

Then Daddy Bush tried to claim the same crap that Carter's four years left the nation in such a hole that they were still digging their way out of it.

Nobody believed it.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. A very good man and President.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jul 2015

So before his time, really. That speech was prophetic, I remember it well.

35 years later and the same scum that destroyed his Presidency, now own most of our government.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
35. Carter says U.S. less respected under Obama.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015
America’s “influence and prestige and respect in the world is probably lower” than seven years ago, he said.

Carter, 90, seemed to stun into silence a standing-room-only crowd at an Aspen Institute gathering in Aspen, Colo., when he said he “can’t think of many nations in the world where we have a better relationship now than we did when [Obama] took over.”

On the world stage, I think they’ve been minimal. I think he’s done some good things domestically, like the health program and so forth. But on the world stage, just to be as objective about it as I can, I can’t think of many nations in the world where we have a better relationship now than we did when he took over.

You know, if you look at Russia, if you look at England, if you look at China, if you look at Egypt, and so forth—I’m not saying it’s his fault, but we have not improved our relationship with individual countries. And I would say that the United States’ influence and prestige and respect in the world is probably lower now than it was six or seven years ago.



Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
38. Thank you **my favorite president so sad he was followed by one of my two least favorite( tie)
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

Presidents
Yes I can't decide who is my least favorite if it's Reagan or Bush . Both so much destruction to this country
But a world without Reagan if Carter had won..........

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
40. K&R I was a wee lad but I remember.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jul 2015

So sad to think of how far we could have come. So much laid to waste, forever, for nothing.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
43. Links I posted to his plan. It was the equivalent in terms of as a war. Sorry, no time to edit:
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024005190#post5

Don't have the time for it, but it is in there... Will post more if you want it, Sancho.

What a great find you posted. Thanks...


raccoon

(31,111 posts)
49. Unfortunately, most people don't want to believe inconvenient truths such as Carter was telling us.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jul 2015

They'd rather believe the "morning in America, don't worry, be happy" BS.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
50. I sure do, I agreed then and so did my father but the voters went with Reagan and some still try
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jul 2015

to tell me that Reagan supporters were groovy, moderate folks who only voted for hateful ignorant policies because they were so very good for the markets.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
52. Count me in as remembering and getting it then..
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jul 2015

it was actually bizarre to hear mainstream media and politicians characterize Carter in derogatory terms for it.

And it still is bizarre. Cognitive Dissonance or GREED? Which ever it is doesn't matter because the effect is the same.

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