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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:45 PM Jul 2015

A $200 privacy device has been killed, and no one knows why

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/a-200-privacy-device-has-been-killed-and-no-one-knows-why/

A security researcher has abruptly cancelled next month's scheduled unveiling of a privacy device designed to mask Internet users' physical locations. It's a move that has both disappointed privacy advocates and aroused suspicions.

Ben Caudill, a researcher with Rhino Security Labs, took the unusual step of saying he no longer plans to release the software or hardware schematics for his so-called ProxyHam box. He said the devices already created have been destroyed. Caudill has offered no explanation for the killing of the project, but he has reportedly ruled out both intellectual property disputes and Federal Communications Commission licensing concerns.

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The ProxyHam device was able to mask the location of an Internet user by broadcasting on a 900MHz radio frequency so the owner could connect from up to 2.5 miles away from the source of the Internet connection. As a result, even if someone tracked down the location of an IP address, the user wouldn't automatically be discovered. The box was billed as using open-source software and requiring less than $200 in hardware. It was scheduled to be the topic of a now-canceled talk at next month's Defcon hacker conference in Las Vegas.

Other speculation on why the project was cancelled holds that ProxyHam was never the break-through device some journalists and privacy advocates made it out to be. ProxyHam, according to Errata Security CEO Rob Graham, was little more than the combination of a Raspberry Pi computer and a $125 900 MHz bridge from a company called Ubiquiti Networks, with some software that made them interoperate.


Interesting. My own bet is "he couldn't get it to work like he wanted".
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A $200 privacy device has been killed, and no one knows why (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2015 OP
Could be the computer HassleCat Jul 2015 #1
The Feds killed it tkmorris Jul 2015 #2
That makes me think vaporware (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #3
I see what you're saying tkmorris Jul 2015 #5
yep, couldn't legally have given more hints that he got a National Security Letter Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #7
My first thought too. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #18
+1. Of course. closeupready Jul 2015 #8
I don't get what was so unusual about it jberryhill Jul 2015 #4
interesting NJCher Jul 2015 #6
Ain't gonna get very far on a legal 900 MHz signal MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #9
That's, what, a foot wavelength, give or take? Recursion Jul 2015 #10
Maximum 1 Watt for unlicensed 900 MHz jberryhill Jul 2015 #11
Yikes, I didn't realize it was that high! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #13
I still don't see the big deal jberryhill Jul 2015 #17
Turns out it's a little complex... MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #12
Indeed it is complex davidpdx Jul 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author goldent Jul 2015 #14
Perhaps the NSA made him an offer he couldn't refuse. nt ohnoyoudidnt Jul 2015 #16
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Could be the computer
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jul 2015

My sources tell me the Raspberry Pi is very noisy when used in radio projects. They say it requires much filtering and shielding, along with some trial and error, to eliminate the radio frequency noise from the computer.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
2. The Feds killed it
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jul 2015

Caudill's carefully phrased responses to questions would make that rather obvious I should think.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
5. I see what you're saying
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jul 2015

Caudill is clearly acting as is he was told to squash the project, and told he can't discuss why. In short he is acting as if the Feds ordered him to kill it. Could it all be an act to cover the fact that the thing just never worked properly? Sure, but I don't think so. There's no REASON it shouldn't have worked; it's a fairly straightforward concept.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
7. yep, couldn't legally have given more hints that he got a National Security Letter
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

regarding which the First Amendment has been suspended by our Fascist police state

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. Ain't gonna get very far on a legal 900 MHz signal
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jul 2015

Unless it's in an open field and/or it's using a highly-directional antenna, which needs to be repositioned whenever sender or receiver moves. In an urban environment, 100 ft if you're lucky.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. That's, what, a foot wavelength, give or take?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jul 2015

Good point; that's pretty much the exact wrong wavelength to go through a normal reinforced masonry wall...

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
13. Yikes, I didn't realize it was that high!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jul 2015

10x compared to 2.4GHz, IIRC. Just don't try it with small batteries, they won't last long.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. I still don't see the big deal
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jul 2015

At 900 MHz and with a directional antenna, you can get a wifi signal several thousand feet. What was supposed to be so wonderfully innovative about that idea?

3000 feet, 30 bucks, Wal-Mart: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ideaworks-Long-Distance-WiFi-Antenna/23988747?sourceid=1500000000000003142050
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
12. Turns out it's a little complex...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

Path loss (due to aor) is much greater for higher frequencies, e.g. 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, and there are other issues. All told, 900 Mhz tends to be sturdier indoors or out vs higher frequencies. Much lower bandwidth allocation though, IIRC.

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