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The Troika And The Five Families
The Germans just made their biggest mistake in a long time (how about some 75 years) over the weekend. Now, when all you have to bring to a conversation slash negotiation is bullying and strong arming and brute force, that should perhaps not be overly surprising. But its a behemoth failure all by itself regardless.
First though, I want to switch to what Yanis Varoufakis told the New Statesman in an interview published today, because its crucial to what happened this weekend. Varoufakis talks about how he was pushing for a plan to introduce an alternative currency in Greece rather than giving in to the Troika. But Tsipras refused. And Yanis understands why:
What this means is that Tsipras was told by the Troika behind closed doors, to put it crudely: were going to kill your people. He was made an offer he couldnt refuse. And Tsipras could never take that upon himself, even though the deals now proposed will perhaps be worse in the medium to long term, even though it may cost him his career.
Germany will never get a deal like the EU has been for them, again. It was the best deal ever. And now they blew it, and they have no-one to blame but themselves. And really, the Godfather metaphor is a very apt one, in more ways than one. Schäuble could never be the capo di tutti capi, no-one would ever trust him in that role. Because hes not a fair man. But he still tries to play the role. Big mistake.
The people here in Greece are being forced to pay for years for something they were never a part of, and that they never profited from. The profits all went to a corrupt elite. And if theres one thing Don Corleone could tell you, its that thats a bad business model. Because it leads to war, to people being killed, to unrest, and all of that is bad for business.
The Germans just made their biggest mistake in a long time (how about some 75 years) over the weekend. Now, when all you have to bring to a conversation slash negotiation is bullying and strong arming and brute force, that should perhaps not be overly surprising. But its a behemoth failure all by itself regardless.
First though, I want to switch to what Yanis Varoufakis told the New Statesman in an interview published today, because its crucial to what happened this weekend. Varoufakis talks about how he was pushing for a plan to introduce an alternative currency in Greece rather than giving in to the Troika. But Tsipras refused. And Yanis understands why:
Varoufakis could not guarantee that a Grexit would work
[he] knows Tsipras has an obligation to not let this country become a failed state.
What this means is that Tsipras was told by the Troika behind closed doors, to put it crudely: were going to kill your people. He was made an offer he couldnt refuse. And Tsipras could never take that upon himself, even though the deals now proposed will perhaps be worse in the medium to long term, even though it may cost him his career.
Germany will never get a deal like the EU has been for them, again. It was the best deal ever. And now they blew it, and they have no-one to blame but themselves. And really, the Godfather metaphor is a very apt one, in more ways than one. Schäuble could never be the capo di tutti capi, no-one would ever trust him in that role. Because hes not a fair man. But he still tries to play the role. Big mistake.
The people here in Greece are being forced to pay for years for something they were never a part of, and that they never profited from. The profits all went to a corrupt elite. And if theres one thing Don Corleone could tell you, its that thats a bad business model. Because it leads to war, to people being killed, to unrest, and all of that is bad for business.
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The Troika And The Five Families (Original Post)
GliderGuider
Jul 2015
OP
I would not be surprised if the Greeks begin rounding up the native oligarchs.
Katashi_itto
Jul 2015
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GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)1. A bit more
Tsipras for obvious reasons cannot talk about the threats hes been receiving, but he did give up some hints early this morning:
We took the responsibility for the decision to avert the most extreme plans by conservative circles in Europe..
I promise you that as hard as we fought here, we will now fight at home, to finish the oligarchy which brought us to this state.
We resisted demands for the transfer of state assets abroad and averted a banking collapse which had been meticulously planned.
decision to avert the most extreme plans by most extreme circles in Europe
The Italians and Spanish and French have noted every word of this, and more. Europe as it is, is already over. Everything from here on in is a mere death rattle.
We took the responsibility for the decision to avert the most extreme plans by conservative circles in Europe..
I promise you that as hard as we fought here, we will now fight at home, to finish the oligarchy which brought us to this state.
We resisted demands for the transfer of state assets abroad and averted a banking collapse which had been meticulously planned.
decision to avert the most extreme plans by most extreme circles in Europe
The Italians and Spanish and French have noted every word of this, and more. Europe as it is, is already over. Everything from here on in is a mere death rattle.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)2. I would not be surprised if the Greeks begin rounding up the native oligarchs.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)3. I don't think it is at all over yet.
The Greek pols seem to have been quite naive about whom they were dealing with. Given all the public blathering they were doing, that seems odd. Any commie ought to have a good understanding of capitalists and their ideologies.
With the Troika, of course, it is all about control, but they are not being too smart about it, like the OP says.