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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts) Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:19 AM Jul 2015

"I WILL Veto Any Legislation Which Attempts to Prevent Adoption of this Agreement." - Pres. Obama

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"I WILL Veto Any Legislation Which Attempts to Prevent Adoption of this Agreement." - Pres. Obama (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 OP

15 years of peace Botany Jul 2015 #1

On the dotted line, along with the rest of the world's billions of lovers of PEACE... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #2

And by then many of the religious fundamentalist greybeards running things will be dying off. Ikonoklast Jul 2015 #24

Iran started their nuclear program after W invaded Iraq and refused to talk w/them Botany Jul 2015 #25

And before that we supported the Bush puppet Saddam Hussein in Iraq in his war against Iran. Ikonoklast Jul 2015 #27

The Iran Nuclear deal is a BFD to use Joe Biden's terminology Gothmog Jul 2015 #3

That's what I was reading on Joe's face AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #4

Can't say this enough! ! ! Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #5

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2015 #6

......... sufrommich Jul 2015 #7

GOBAMA! ! !...I can't wait to see what globe-changing move he's going to Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #8

What's next on his bvf Jul 2015 #12

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #33

'This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.' ~ President Barack Obama... freshwest Jul 2015 #35

Thank you to all who have made this momentous achievement possible. NBachers Jul 2015 #9

Drop the mic, Mr. President. Then, wipe the dirt off your shoulders!! n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #10

Like this? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #13

Just for you... freshwest Jul 2015 #36

Peace! A lofty goal. Thanks Obama. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #11

Depressing prediction... thesquanderer Jul 2015 #14

The TPP has already been passed, no? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #15

It must not have because civilization is still here. randome Jul 2015 #16

Oh, you... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #17

Don't worry, there are plenty of worms to go around for dinner! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #37

LOL! Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #32

No, it hasn't rateyes Jul 2015 #18

So, it was just 'fast-track' authorization that was voted, not the agreement itself? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #20

No, it hasn't passed. TPA passed. MineralMan Jul 2015 #19

So I just saw upthread. Confusing? Understatement! Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #21

A lot of the punditry surrounding the TPP is written MineralMan Jul 2015 #22

Thanks for the specifics... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #23

Why do you continue... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #28

LOL! I just can't help myself, I guess. MineralMan Jul 2015 #29

You only do it to annoy... because you know it teases. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #38

k&r... spanone Jul 2015 #26

Holy shit I love that man ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #30

How great an achievement? Johnny2X2X Jul 2015 #31

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #40

Thanks Obama.. it must suck to be soo unhappy about this historical PEACE agreement with Iran. Cha Jul 2015 #34

Mahalo, Cha...and our guys come through again! Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #39

Yes, they did.. come through again, Surya! And, at such a good time! Cha Jul 2015 #41

Ecellent! eridani Jul 2015 #42

Good advice, eridani. Time for an e-mail bomb to the congress-critters. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #43

I've signed every petition coming to my inbox eridani Jul 2015 #44

... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #45

Botany

(70,504 posts)

1. 15 years of peace

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:24 AM

Jul 2015

Where do I sign?

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

2. On the dotted line, along with the rest of the world's billions of lovers of PEACE...

Reply to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:29 AM

Jul 2015

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)

24. And by then many of the religious fundamentalist greybeards running things will be dying off.

Reply to Botany (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:42 AM

Jul 2015

More than half of Iranians are under thirty-five years old.

The young people who will come to power in that timeframe will have no personal recollection living under the repressive Pahlavi regime, but sure as shit know all about crazy religious fundamentalists trying to run their lives for them.

Botany

(70,504 posts)

25. Iran started their nuclear program after W invaded Iraq and refused to talk w/them

Reply to Ikonoklast (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:47 AM

Jul 2015

n/t

Ikonoklast

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)

27. And before that we supported the Bush puppet Saddam Hussein in Iraq in his war against Iran.

Reply to Botany (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:02 AM

Jul 2015

And the Shah, CIA, overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran thing so oil companies could still run things in that country thing...

If I was an Iranian citizen, I'd push my government to produce nuclear weapons, too.

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)

3. The Iran Nuclear deal is a BFD to use Joe Biden's terminology

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:45 AM

Jul 2015

Congratulations to Sec. Kerry and President Obama on this accomplishment

AwakeAtLast

(14,125 posts)

4. That's what I was reading on Joe's face

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:50 AM

Jul 2015

during the President's remarks.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

5. Can't say this enough! ! !

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:50 AM

Jul 2015

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)

6. Agreed

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:53 AM

Jul 2015

This is an amazing accomplishment

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)

7. .........

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:53 AM

Jul 2015

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

8. GOBAMA! ! !...I can't wait to see what globe-changing move he's going to

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:56 AM

Jul 2015

pull out of his 'lame-duck' hat next! LOL!

bvf

(6,604 posts)

12. What's next on his

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:57 AM

Jul 2015

fu-- er, bucket list?

This is great news! That Bibi and congressional Republicans are flummoxed only makes the accomplishment that much more delicious.

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)

33. +1000

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:37 PM

Jul 2015

freshwest

(53,661 posts)

35. 'This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.' ~ President Barack Obama...

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:09 AM

Jul 2015

The GOP was warned. They still refused to go with the side of peace and justice.

NBachers

(17,110 posts)

9. Thank you to all who have made this momentous achievement possible.

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:28 AM

Jul 2015

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)

10. Drop the mic, Mr. President. Then, wipe the dirt off your shoulders!! n/t

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:46 AM

Jul 2015

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

13. Like this?

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:58 AM

Jul 2015

freshwest

(53,661 posts)

36. Just for you...

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:11 AM

Jul 2015

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)

11. Peace! A lofty goal. Thanks Obama.

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:51 AM

Jul 2015

No, really, thanks.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)

14. Depressing prediction...

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:20 AM

Jul 2015

I have this vision that, to get the Republicans on board, congressional approvals for this treaty and for TPP will be linked. Obama wants both, so it's a win-win for him, but the Dems fighting TPP will have to go along with it to assure approval of the Iran deal.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

15. The TPP has already been passed, no?

Reply to thesquanderer (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:24 AM

Jul 2015

randome

(34,845 posts)

16. It must not have because civilization is still here.

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:29 AM

Jul 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

17. Oh, you...

Reply to randome (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:32 AM

Jul 2015

freshwest

(53,661 posts)

37. Don't worry, there are plenty of worms to go around for dinner! n/t

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:13 AM

Jul 2015

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

32. LOL!

Reply to randome (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:35 PM

Jul 2015

rateyes

(17,438 posts)

18. No, it hasn't

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:52 AM

Jul 2015

Fast track passed. The TPP hasn't been submitted yet.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

20. So, it was just 'fast-track' authorization that was voted, not the agreement itself?

Reply to rateyes (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:58 AM

Jul 2015

When does it come up before Congress, then?

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)

19. No, it hasn't passed. TPA passed.

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:57 AM

Jul 2015

The TPP agreement isn't even in its final form. Who knows when it will be. When it is, Congress will vote on it, within 90 days of the release of the final form of the agreement.

I know it's confusing, but TPP has not passed.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

21. So I just saw upthread. Confusing? Understatement!

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:59 AM

Jul 2015

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)

22. A lot of the punditry surrounding the TPP is written

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:21 AM

Jul 2015

from ignorance, since they get the terms confused so often. It's crucial to understand the difference between the actual TPP and things like TPA, which only enables the negotiations to proceed and prevents Congress from attaching amendments and changes to the agreement. Any such changes would require further negotiations between the multiple nations who are involved.

Will the TPP pass in Congress? Probably it will, but so far, nobody has seen a final version of the agreement, since negotiations are still underway.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

23. Thanks for the specifics...

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:25 AM

Jul 2015

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)

28. Why do you continue...

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:19 PM

Jul 2015

to provide a reasonable, thoughtful, factual perspective on everything?

By the way, please continue!

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)

29. LOL! I just can't help myself, I guess.

Reply to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:21 PM

Jul 2015

freshwest

(53,661 posts)

38. You only do it to annoy... because you know it teases. n/t

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:17 AM

Jul 2015

spanone

(135,832 posts)

26. k&r...

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:49 AM

Jul 2015

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)

30. Holy shit I love that man

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:26 PM

Jul 2015

Bam!

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)

31. How great an achievement?

Reply to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:34 PM

Jul 2015

How great an achievement this is is directly proportional to the Republican outrage we are hearing. If the Republicans would have been silent today, I might have questioned this deal, but their outrage speaks volumes about how good for America and Obama's legacy this deal is.

I think people are not fully appreciating how monumental this is. Just 7 years ago, Obama was being roundly criticized for even suggesting we talk to Iran at all, today we have signed an agreement with Iran that will prevent them from gaining nuclear weapons and ultimately could lead to them returning to full normalized relations with most of the world. Just a huge huge accomplishment.