our stupid media keeps reporting that Obama made a deal with iran

[spanone]

CHINA, RUSSIA, UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE, GERMANY and Obama made a deal with iran

[MADem]

1. No, IRAN made a desperately-needed deal with us, and the rest of the nations around the table.

They came to us--not the other way around.

About time/good thing. The world is safer today than it was yesterday.

[Fred Sanders]

4. No. They "came to us" because of crippling economic sanctions imposed by the same 5 nations.

Stupid media is reporting it differently because "blaming Obama because...reasons" is all they got.

And associating China and Russia with peace is against the narrative.

[MADem]

6. Yes, indeed. They wanted them lifted, and they knew that we'd require accommodation for

that to happen. We got our accommodation, and a new day is dawning.

Now we can hit that reset button, and begin anew.

[yurbud]

29. the world is safer for IRAN. If they used their nuclear material to make weapons they would be used

the same way every other country does: defensively.

The "threat" of their nuke program was that it would make it harder for neocons and/or Israel to conduct airstrikes, invade, or bully Iran.

It makes us safer in the sense that frustrating those warmongers means a conflict that would escalate to World War III is less likely to happen.

But they are still trying in the Ukraine.

[MADem]

32. The world is safer for everyone.

Iran doesn't need nuclear weapons, at least those of their own manufacture.

And they've got neighbors who have them, who might be more than willing to make a deal, for the right price if it ever came to that--there's a bear-riding, dolphin-kissing fool up that way, just over the Caspian, who isn't feeling a lot of love lately. His predecessor's operatives were all over Iran back in the seventies. I'm sure there are plenty still there, stirring up shit.

That said, odds are, since the ulema have realized that their ham-handed, asinine tactics are not resonating with the next generation, that they are starting to recognize that they had a better game going on when they were friendly with us, and the side benefit to Iran is that rapprochement with USA will accompany a small amount of liberalization within Persian society--not just for the wealthy up Tajrish way (who have always gotten away with everything short of murder), but for the rank and file in the middle of the city.

The children of Iran are the future, and they just don't want to put up with all that fundy shit. They observe the hypocrisy, and they TIRE of it:



With the same dress code you will be arrested by the morality police but not in pro-regime demonstrations. Under the existing laws of the Islamic Republic, just last year 3.6 million Iranian women were warned by the police just because they were not wearing following the “proper” Islamic dress code. Under the laws of the Islamic Republic, just last year more than 18,000 women ended up in court for being “badly veiled”.


http://mystealthyfreedom.net/en/

[yurbud]

34. I agree with you about younger generation there though Israel & US have caused far more problems in

the region than Russia or even Iran.

[MADem]

35. When I was living in Tehran, the Russians were not well-meaning.

When I was living further south, they weren't well meaning, either.

The Russians made a mess in Bushehr--they're like the gang that couldn't shoot (or build) straight. And they've taken more land from Iran throughout history than anyone else at that table ever did--so the idea that they're 'good buddies' with Iran is a bit fraught by historical reality. Iran has dealt with them because they've had to--not because they necessarily wanted to. IMO, anyway...!

Here is an article that might explain some of my views on this subject:

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/09/big-loser-in-any-nuclear-deal-with-iran-may-be-russia/

[still_one]

2. Don't worry, they will also be giving us almost exclusively the congressional republican viewpoint,

ignoring the fact that it will be up to the congressional Democrats, NOT the republicans if the U.S. accepts this deal.

Of course, as you pointed out, even if the U.S. didn't approve the deal, the other countries party to this deal will go it alone.

The idiots in congress against this deal, most likely have no alternative, and so effectively what they are proposing is doing nothing, which means Iran would continue enrichment. Is their proposal to invade Iran?

[spanone]

5. just saw boehner on tv saying 'if the deal is as bad as i THINK it is' i will oppose it.

he already opposes it.

[still_one]

7. It doesn't matter what the rebukes do. As long as there are enough Democrats to prevent a veto

override, they are powerless.

[BeanMusical]

25. +1

Yeah, and most of these idiots are doing just that: Defending the Repukes.

[Iggo]

9. Ain't no money in peace.

Of course they'd rather invade.

[kairos12]

16. War is a racket, as has been said many times.

[lark]

30. Last sentence is the winner.

Yes, it is their proposal and steadfast belief that we should go to war with Iran. After all, that's what the little murderer in charge in Israel has demanded and we MUST comply! Boner is little murderers #1 fan and Mcturtle not far behind.

[malaise]

3. The stupid media does not recognize another country on the planet

only America counts - you know exceptional and all that. The others better behave or else.

[still_one]

8. That unfortunately has been the way it has been for decades.

[spanone]

11. i wonder if netanyahu will be lobbying groups in china, russia, germany, united kingdon & france ?

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Lobbying groups in those countries, probably, but his greatest hope is here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026971815

France 24: 'Netanyahu threatens openly to take fight against Iran Nuclear Deal to American political arena - will use influence with US right-wing to try to scupper it.'

[karynnj]

14. Are you as shocked as I am that he is stupid enough to be so blatant in saying he is doing this?

I am surprised that he didn't learn from earlier in the year, when his actions actually moved the Democrats, who were moving to support sanctions, to the President's side.

[Surya Gayatri]

17. Bibi is an arrogant, megalomaniac blowhard. He will stop

at NOTHING to keep his 'base' riled up and his American RW enablers in line.

What he does revolts me, but doesn't shock me.

[karynnj]

19. agree with description, but shocked that he would potentially undercut his own message nt

[Surya Gayatri]

27. Don't know if those remarks were meant to go public or if they

were made 'behind closed doors'.

[BeanMusical]

26. +1

Damn megalomaniac have the equivalent of two tankers filled with blood on his hands.

[xocet]

15. Why should the media behave differently? The other countries are not AWESOME like the America!1!

[oldandhappy]

10. Please notify the media!!

Yes! When I have lived in other countries the papers report that country and others doing something. Here, me me me. Only matters if you can say U.S.A did something. sigh.

[Romeo.lima333]

13. more appropriately CHINA, RUSSIA, UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE, GERMANY and the UNITED STATES

[dvduval]

18. Obama is a dictator

He dictates to the Republicans which treaties he will making, unlike Bush who dictated which countries he would be invading (with false evidence).

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. There are Right Wingers who want to bomb France....

And Russia,....and China....

[thesquanderer]

22. Two sides...

Saying Obama made the deal could sound like blame... or it could sound like credit. Depends on the source, and the listener...

[spanone]

23. i guess saying it was a multi-national agreement is way too nuanced for the american people.

i don't think 'OBAMACARE' was born out of giving him credit either....it was republican slander that the media immediately adopted

[thesquanderer]

31. Right, Obamacare was an insult that the Pres smartly co-opted (n/t)

[MADem]

33. Iran "made" the deal. The rest of the nations around that table would have had to go home

had Iran not said "Yes, it is time. These sanctions are crippling us; we need medicine, we need help getting our oil and gas fields up to snuff, we need these sanctions to end. Our lives were better when we were part of the world, not railing against it."

Life is going to get much better in Iran. The children of Iran, the ones who never knew the Shah, who never understood that period of time, who never knew life under anything but a religous--as opposed to monarchial--dictatorship, can look forward to a brighter day.

Obama's leadership made this happen, but it would not have happened unless Iran agreed to begin anew with all of those countries sitting at that table.

I'm happy as hell--this could be the start of some good things.

[Jakes Progress]

24. "Stupid Media" = Bought-and-Paid For Media nt

[rladdi]

28. Our news media is most dumb now days.

They chase and report anything they can make news on. IE Donald Trump