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Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:33 PM Jul 2015

Star Wars Action Figure Has Parents Furious

A trip down the toy aisle had a local dad doing a double-take. He's furious over a popular Star Wars action figure sold in stores in our area. He says it's not appropriate for young children.

So is it harmless movie memorabilia or too racy for youngsters?Take a look and you decide. We sent our Chris O’Connell to talk with the da .and do some digging.

It's a toy on store shelves all over the country, but some parents say the action figure intended for kids 4 and above-is way too inappropriate for kids of any age.

We caught up with Fred Hill and his daughters at the Target Store in Deptford shopping for their birthday gifts.

The single dad was shocked to see this on the toy aisle shelf. A Hasbro made Star Wars Black Series action figure of Princess Leia wearing what the box described as a slave outfit.

"That’s pretty inappropriate,” he said, "I got 2 daughters I don't need seeing that crap."


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/29539702/star-wars-action-figure-has-parents-furious

The toy in question, aimed less at the young kids and more at the collector/older level that shops retail:

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And a gaggle of them at STar Wars Celebration - which is attended by lots of parents and kids - and some of these women are parents too.

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Oh, the outrage. Why won't someone think of the children? I loved this comment though in the article section:

I was walking through a church and I saw an image depicting a crucified man. My kids were like "why is the poor man crucified?" and I had no answers. What a terrible image! I showed it to other parents and they complained too. I think it should be taken down!
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Star Wars Action Figure Has Parents Furious (Original Post) Blue_Adept Jul 2015 OP
So a father is outraged about a toy that has been on the shelves Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #1
I think the earliest was 1997 enlightenment Jul 2015 #8
You are correct... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #13
I only knew that because I recently looked these things up! enlightenment Jul 2015 #14
Not a Star Wars fan, I take it. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #2
No kidding Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #9
offs DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #3
Nice pics. But... Gman Jul 2015 #4
They're more than welcome to Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #6
As I recall, Princess Leia was pretty kick ass, while wearing that outfit Siwsan Jul 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Gman Jul 2015 #39
I remember being quite... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #52
For people who saw the movie and remember it enough Warpy Jul 2015 #40
Uh...demeaning is kinda the point. jeff47 Jul 2015 #101
Personally I'm more upset that Carrie Fisher was in "Under the Rainbow" Orrex Jul 2015 #5
So long as the figure can use its chain to strangle Jabba... backscatter712 Jul 2015 #7
"Parents outraged that US has worst infant mortality rate in advanced world" Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #10
Typically men who get upset over things like that are pedos 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #11
Um. What? Orrex Jul 2015 #16
"Typically"? Iggo Jul 2015 #17
are you sure sure or a little sure snooper2 Jul 2015 #19
Dr. Phil? Is that you? zappaman Jul 2015 #78
Wow, really/ Maybe a self delete would be in order! nt Logical Jul 2015 #108
LMAO the slave outfit is iconic LittleBlue Jul 2015 #12
Yes, our kids need postive images of sex trafficking and enslavement. Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #15
This was the aspect of the story that has always made Ilsa Jul 2015 #18
oh, you think there's a difference between being a slave Solomon Jul 2015 #22
I think Leia's slavery is bad enough. Throwing Ilsa Jul 2015 #23
Hutts are hermaphrodites, like earthworms Orrex Jul 2015 #30
So... you're saying she's asking for it? Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #38
Well, that depends, no? Orrex Jul 2015 #48
The tongue scene had me convinced of Ilsa Jul 2015 #46
Actually, refresh my memory: Orrex Jul 2015 #49
Her face was inches from his Ilsa Jul 2015 #93
In the world inhabited by half the population. pnwmom Jul 2015 #43
I never even considered the possibility that she might be Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #98
For me, sexual slavery Ilsa Jul 2015 #100
I suppose. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #103
don't worry, Ahsoka Tano will stamp out the patriarchy! snooper2 Jul 2015 #20
Hoping she's in the new film! Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #24
Why do boy Jedi get to wear full body-covering robes and fatigues Orrex Jul 2015 #57
because, boobs- or, lack of fur? snooper2 Jul 2015 #59
They generally run around in the 'normal' clothing for their species. jeff47 Jul 2015 #106
If we don't show prayin4rain Jul 2015 #21
Kids only need to see the bright and positive things in life Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #25
Yes, the TRUTH of the well kempt sex slave in a gilded bikini. n/t prayin4rain Jul 2015 #27
So a sex slave should be a plaything? Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #28
"...Slave Leia glorifies..." - um actually no. "Slave Leia" is/was simply a fact. Please notice that jonno99 Jul 2015 #31
The problem is Slave Leia ***Toy*** Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #34
"Maybe teenage boys did." Perhaps - but it also sounds like an excellent opportunity jonno99 Jul 2015 #36
We should probably start with all the women that continue to wear the outfit Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #37
Maybe, but my immediate concern is my son Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #44
I'm not sure I follow your point. If grown women want to dress like Leia, fine. This OP is really jonno99 Jul 2015 #53
They're not walking around school playgrounds or toy stores in the outfit. n.t pnwmom Jul 2015 #58
It can be discussed entirely within the context of the movie. Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #42
Of course. But we ARE discussing the toy... jonno99 Jul 2015 #56
You brought up the opportunity for a specific type of discussion Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #62
Hence - the opportunity for discussion. jonno99 Jul 2015 #91
No, Slave Leia is NOT a "fact." She is fiction. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #55
Of course, but within the context of the movie, it is/was a fact. My point jonno99 Jul 2015 #60
Actually in the fiction, Leia is a revolutionary operative being held prisoner, Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #84
...by giant space worms? Arkana Jul 2015 #71
Oh, if it's space worms, sexual trafficking is ok Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #82
So in the movie, she is enslaved by the worst creature in the world, whom the audience hates and Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #92
Have you missed what I have written in this thread ... Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #96
Yeah, it was problematic how Lucas wrote Jabba to be the big hero of Jedi.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #113
Lucas didn't. Millions of men lusted over slave Leia Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #116
If you want your child to inappropriately react to a toy, then be sure to make a big deal out randys1 Jul 2015 #26
+1 jonno99 Jul 2015 #33
He's right. It's inappropriate for young children. Iggo Jul 2015 #32
It's also not meant for young children Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #35
Then don't sell it in kids' toy stores. nt pnwmom Jul 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2015 #50
Yes. If shopping Barbie had a slave chain on her neck, I wouldn't want her sold either. pnwmom Jul 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2015 #61
Selling fictional images of slavery as amusement in toy stores is what is offensive. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #70
Target's not a toy store Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #74
As long as they don't sell it in the toy section, I wouldn't care about Target. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2015 #75
Approximately 50,000 women and prayin4rain Jul 2015 #73
Well holy shit--what the fuck is wrong with me? Orrex Jul 2015 #81
Won't you think of the Wookies that are forbidden from shaving with an electric razor? Rex Jul 2015 #95
Whoa, I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that on this board before. prayin4rain Jul 2015 #117
All it takes is a hammer-blow to the skull to get my attention! Orrex Jul 2015 #119
I'm beginning to think the same half-wits would argue for Sex Slave Trade Barbie LanternWaste Jul 2015 #63
I'm beginning to think that you should have your posts hidden when you call people half-wits. Orrex Jul 2015 #65
I referred to no one specifically or in particular. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #66
That disingenous and cowardly, and I'm sure that you know it. Orrex Jul 2015 #67
Believe what validates you. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #68
I believe that you're full of nonsense with delusions of depth and significance. Orrex Jul 2015 #72
Heh, yeah... joshcryer Jul 2015 #69
You're intellectually dishonest and an actual liar, and I have backed that up previously. Orrex Jul 2015 #88
I can't take you seriously. joshcryer Jul 2015 #94
I don't give a shit what you can take Orrex Jul 2015 #99
Just showing your hypocrisy. joshcryer Jul 2015 #102
Bullshit. Orrex Jul 2015 #109
Easy? joshcryer Jul 2015 #121
You seem not to know what hypocrisy is Orrex Jul 2015 #122
Since you self-deleted... joshcryer Jul 2015 #123
I deleted them because I was convinced of an error Orrex Jul 2015 #124
Precious. joshcryer Jul 2015 #127
Yeah, but should she be hidden twice? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #114
I don't know what they're so upset about when this is the real issue Gman Jul 2015 #41
He sounds like a WONDERFUL father who cares about other kids, too -- not just his own. pnwmom Jul 2015 #45
yeah, he does seem like a caring father. he means well Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #105
"a local dad" isn't "parents" plural. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #51
It accurately depicts the character in the movie jberryhill Jul 2015 #64
The context of a toy store is what makes this different. Believe it or not, not every pnwmom Jul 2015 #79
Well shop somewhere else, trying to pretend Retail America was custom made for your family Rex Jul 2015 #85
Definitely. And since we all have freedom of speech, I'm glad that father exercised his. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #86
Yeah I just wish the headline was accurate, but oh well. nt Rex Jul 2015 #90
I hope he stays out of the toy store red-light district jberryhill Jul 2015 #104
Yes, it might distract from the completely-appropriate Bratz dolls. jeff47 Jul 2015 #107
"And no, I wouldn't like Slave Barbie, either" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #115
Doncha know? Being outraged at science fiction is all the rage now! Rex Jul 2015 #89
Well you know what they say about people that get really outraged over fiction. Rex Jul 2015 #76
I hate this "think of the children" bullshit. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #77
Especially when we all know "think of the children" is utter hypocrisy. Rex Jul 2015 #83
Yeah, we sure think of the children LittleBlue Jul 2015 #87
I'm outraged male cartoons wear shirts but not any pants. Rex Jul 2015 #97
I wonder if his kids have ever seen the movie/s. LWolf Jul 2015 #110
Much ado about nothing. nt clarice Jul 2015 #111
This is the best commentary on that costume, ever: Marr Jul 2015 #112
I guess this moron has never seed the film. n/t MicaelS Jul 2015 #118
nerds just gotta be nerds olddots Jul 2015 #120
That second picture is what I imagine heaven to look like Telcontar Jul 2015 #125
I am sure that Target showed real concern for his concerns liberal N proud Jul 2015 #126
This is from the movie Gothmog Jul 2015 #128

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
8. I think the earliest was 1997
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jul 2015

having just priced out a dozen or so action figures that I found in my now 35 year old son's "box of old toys" (unfortunately, value-wise, he played with his toys . . .).

Still, good point. Leia in the "slave girl" outfit is hardly new to the toy aisle.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
13. You are correct...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jul 2015

I just looked it up. I remember having a Jabba playset as a kid in the early 80s, and I thought it included Slave Leia, but apparently it didn't show up until 1997 (long after I stopped playing with toys).

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
14. I only knew that because I recently looked these things up!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jul 2015

The only thing I really remember about them was Hans Solo's remarkable tendency to wind up on the stairs with his rigid right arm extended upward. I never failed to step on him in the morning.
I removed all the weapons from these figures - not because I didn't want my kid playing with them, but because they were fatal to my bare feet!

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
6. They're more than welcome to
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

Cosplayers are extremely proud of what they do and they tend to crush those that talk about what they do as demeaning.

Those that claim they're demeaning can go pout all they want.

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)
29. As I recall, Princess Leia was pretty kick ass, while wearing that outfit
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jul 2015

Strangled Jabba, took out some of the bad guys. She totally owned that outfit.

Response to Siwsan (Reply #29)

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
40. For people who saw the movie and remember it enough
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jul 2015

to know what they're looking at, "demeaning" was rather the point in the plot.

They also remember she kicked butt in that outfit.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
101. Uh...demeaning is kinda the point.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

We are talking about the slave output a woman was forced to wear by a gangster in order to demean her, after all.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. "Parents outraged that US has worst infant mortality rate in advanced world"
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

Ha, Ha! Who the fuck am I kidding. You never see that headline.

Instead it's "parents outraged at...

bikini clad action figure/exposed boob at superbowl/naughty song lyric/sexy draino ad/happy meal toy that sounds like it is swearing"

etc etc

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
11. Typically men who get upset over things like that are pedos
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

Its like how the most fervent anti gay bible trumpeters are usually themselves gay.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
16. Um. What?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jul 2015
Typically men who get upset over things like that are pedos.
No doubt you have a number of examples of this. Please share.

Thanks!

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
15. Yes, our kids need postive images of sex trafficking and enslavement.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jul 2015

Sorry, but the dad is right. Slave Leia glorifies many of the worst elements of the treatment of women.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
18. This was the aspect of the story that has always made
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jul 2015

Me uncomfortable. She isn't just a slave of Jabba; she is some sort of sexual toy for him, evidenced by the outfit and the grotesque tongue scene. I wish she had just been a slave, like the other characters, not a sex slave, then I wouldn't be reflecting on Leia as a rape victim.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
22. oh, you think there's a difference between being a slave
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

and a sex toy, a victim of rape? Wow! In what world does that occur?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
23. I think Leia's slavery is bad enough. Throwing
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jul 2015

Sexual slavery on top of it makes it worse, yes. And I'm not convinced it's an appropriate storyline detail for a movie marketed to kids.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
30. Hutts are hermaphrodites, like earthworms
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not sure how Leia could have served as Jabba's sexual plaything, exactly, but I'm admittedly unfamiliar with the particulars of invertebrate hermaphrodite sexuality.

Judging by the role of her predecessor, it may be that Leia was expected to dance for the entertainment of Jabba's guests. Still demeaning, and still emblematic of slavery, but maybe not as bad as an actual comfort woman.

Also, it seems fairly clear that Leia knew about the risks she was facing when she entered Jabba's palace, and it's also likely that she knew of Luke's contingency plan. Given that she agreed to the mission with this in mind, it makes her less of a slave girl and more of a successful infiltrator.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
48. Well, that depends, no?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jul 2015

Was Han asking for it when he submitted to carbon freezing?
Or when he returned to help Luke @ the Death Star rather than settling his debt with Jabba, knowing the dire consequences that he would face?
Was Luke asking for it when he joined an attack mission that he knew was almost certainly suicidal?
Or when he confronted Vader when he knew that he wasn't ready?

Throughout the series, the three primary characters suffer actual torture as a consequence of their actions, and Luke even lost a hand. Why must we consider Leia's capture to be worse?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
46. The tongue scene had me convinced of
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jul 2015

A sexual component along with her look of disgust when she was pushed towards him.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
49. Actually, refresh my memory:
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jul 2015

Did he lick her, or did he lick his lips? I honestly don't remember.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
93. Her face was inches from his
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jul 2015

Tongue which he stuck out towards her, as if to tell her "this is what awaits you."

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
98. I never even considered the possibility that she might be
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jul 2015

a 'sex slave' to Jabba. I would assume his 'parts' are on a scale with the rest of him, if he even has any. We certainly never saw any. I thought the implication was that he might eat her at some point. (In a non-sexual way.)

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
100. For me, sexual slavery
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jul 2015

Doesn't have to be just about penises and vaginas. The slavery scene had a physically intimate overtone to it that she couldn't escape.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
103. I suppose.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jul 2015

It also occurs to me that I wasn't even a teen at the time I saw the movie, so sex wasn't really something I'd gotten to thinking about then.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
24. Hoping she's in the new film!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

Glad to see her back in Star Wars Rebels and looking so good. Having her in the new film, even as a cameo, has me excited at the possibility.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
57. Why do boy Jedi get to wear full body-covering robes and fatigues
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

While Ms Tano runs around in a tube top? Hmm...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
106. They generally run around in the 'normal' clothing for their species.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

There are other female padawans in the "Clone Wars" series that are more clothed. For example, one green-skinned species wears an outfit that resembles a nun's habit.

Now, we can argue that the 'normal' clothing is still problematic.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
21. If we don't show
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015

little girls how glamorous sexual slavery can be, how are they going to grow up to seek empowerment by being sexually attractive to men?

Oh wait..... we all know "choices" exist in a vacuum. Nevermind.

Just a heads up, you're about to be accused of:
1.Hating sex
2.Being a pearl clutcher
3.Being a bible beater
4.Trying to take away "choices" for women
5.Being ignorant and uncaring of the more horrible things that go on in the world
6. Hating men

But, I agree with you. Good luck!

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
25. Kids only need to see the bright and positive things in life
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jul 2015

Never shall anything untoward or wrong ever be shown to them until they're of... how old now?

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
31. "...Slave Leia glorifies..." - um actually no. "Slave Leia" is/was simply a fact. Please notice that
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

she didn't change out of her demeaning outfit before she saved herself from her oppressor. THAT is the lesson you can teach your kids; that we can overcome terrible circumstances - we don't have to remain the victim.

My two cents...

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
34. The problem is Slave Leia ***Toy***
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jul 2015

The movie did not in itself glorify sexual slavery. Maybe teenage boys did.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
36. "Maybe teenage boys did." Perhaps - but it also sounds like an excellent opportunity
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

to discuss the sexual exploitation of women and why it is demeaning not just to women - but to men as well.

How else is the problem going to go away? Teach empathy - not apathy; don't ignore it...

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
37. We should probably start with all the women that continue to wear the outfit
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

They're certainly glorifying it more than the people buying the toys?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
44. Maybe, but my immediate concern is my son
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jul 2015

I am more concerned with how he receives images about women and how they are processed. I'd rather he not think that a slave, be it Leia, Orion slave girl, concubine, etc., is an appropriate object of desires.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
53. I'm not sure I follow your point. If grown women want to dress like Leia, fine. This OP is really
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jul 2015

about the toy.

IMHO, the toy can be given and presented not as "sex slave" Leia, but as prisoner Leia - who was finally escaped, etc. etc.

Is that not a good role-model for young girls?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
42. It can be discussed entirely within the context of the movie.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jul 2015

I don't need to buy my son this toy to teach him how to respect women.

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
62. You brought up the opportunity for a specific type of discussion
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

At least with regard to the movie, Leia's sexual enslavement has some (downplayed) context. It is obvious that she is not doing things according to her own will, and her forced sexualization is somewhat visible. The toy is out of context, giving no indication of her suffering or the indignity she suffers.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
91. Hence - the opportunity for discussion.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jul 2015

btw - this discussion is not a hill I'm going to die on. I just have a problem with with folks like those portrayed in the OP. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and don't pitch a fit. As someone else opined, making a big deal out of a subject is a sure way to draw your kids attention.

What is the alternative? Constantly sheltering your kids - not from the grotesque - but form subjects that simply require discussion?

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
60. Of course, but within the context of the movie, it is/was a fact. My point
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

was that the toy does not "glorify" her status as a slave - it simply portrays one of many aspects of the character Leia.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
84. Actually in the fiction, Leia is a revolutionary operative being held prisoner,
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jul 2015

the audience watching relates to her, not to her captors. The message of the scene is 'creeps treat heroes like playthings'. The creep is a full tilt villain, criminal, kidnapper, torturer, slaver. Leia strangles him to death defeating a monster who had controlled many with great ease, liberating all who were in his chains. Second message 'creeps don't know real power when they see it'.
That's the fiction.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
71. ...by giant space worms?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

Seriously, you think that Jabba the Hutt taking Leia prisoner and enslaving her is part of some underlying anti-woman agenda Star Wars is trying to propagate?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
82. Oh, if it's space worms, sexual trafficking is ok
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jul 2015

This isn't about the movie, but the constant glorification and sexualization of the particular image. Out of context it has most definitely promoted the woman in chains as a sexual object.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
92. So in the movie, she is enslaved by the worst creature in the world, whom the audience hates and
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jul 2015

who does one terrible thing after another, two of our heroes are captured by this Hutt, who is eventually strangled to death by Leia herself, unaided by anyone and using the chains that bind her as a weapon. What about those events suggests to you a message that 'sexual trafficking is ok'? The part where the 'trafficker' tries to murder all of the good guys or the part where he dies an brutal death at the hands of the trafficked?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
96. Have you missed what I have written in this thread ...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jul 2015

... about the sexualization of the slave Leia image outside the film?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
113. Yeah, it was problematic how Lucas wrote Jabba to be the big hero of Jedi....
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jul 2015

Oh wait, that didn't happen....he was a slimy disgusting slug who Leia choked to fucking death with her chains the first chance she got. Spoiler.

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
116. Lucas didn't. Millions of men lusted over slave Leia
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jul 2015

That's what Ross wanted Rachel to do to fulfill his fantasies and that's why there are posts like "20 Hottest Slave Leias."

And Leia's slave outfit is not an expression of her strength and personality. It is a symbol of her captivity.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. If you want your child to inappropriately react to a toy, then be sure to make a big deal out
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

of the toy being something it isnt.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
32. He's right. It's inappropriate for young children.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

If he's the father of young children, he should definitely NOT provide that action figure to those children.

Daddy job done!!!

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
35. It's also not meant for young children
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

The Star Wars Black series is aimed at the older collector, which is who buys the bulk of the action figures in places like Target and Toys R Us these days. Largely because kids don't play with action figures like they did back in the 80's.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
54. Yes. If shopping Barbie had a slave chain on her neck, I wouldn't want her sold either.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jul 2015

If images of black people in chains were being sold at Toys R U for entertainment, would you be fine with that, too?

Making the slavery victim white doesn't make it into a fun game.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #54)

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
74. Target's not a toy store
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jul 2015

It's a store that sells a wide range of things.

Across the aisle you get the movie section, where one end cap features all the latest movies with the end cap next to it featuring all the kids movies.

Your favorite animated treat basically right next to the latest Fifty Shades movie or something violent and so forth.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #70)

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
73. Approximately 50,000 women and
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jul 2015

children are brought into the United States each year as sex slaves. There are over half a million worldwide. None are in gilded bikinis or otherwise have any glamor in their lives. If sex slavery was not a real thing, nobody would care about this doll on the toy aisle. Women and children are being tortured and murdered, in real life, all over the world right now and we have a sex slave doll wearing a gilded bikini with a chain around her neck in our toy aisles. It's fucked up.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
81. Well holy shit--what the fuck is wrong with me?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jul 2015

Your point is 100% correct and valid and shame on me for getting distracted by one form of slavery at the expense of another.

I'm checking out of this discussion now.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
95. Won't you think of the Wookies that are forbidden from shaving with an electric razor?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jul 2015

The Empire outlawed them on their home world. Why do you not take fiction seriously? Can't you see how branding effects the sale of lifesabers?

Think of the Wookies, will you please?

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
117. Whoa, I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that on this board before.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jul 2015

I'm very impressed with your maturity and willingness to see another perspective.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. I'm beginning to think the same half-wits would argue for Sex Slave Trade Barbie
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015

I'm beginning to think the same half-wits would also argue for the manufacture and distribution in toy stores of Sex Slave Trade Barbie to better validate their biases, too... because, well "it could be a good way to discuss it with your kids." A great way for the myopic to maintain the fictional veneer of cleverness.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
65. I'm beginning to think that you should have your posts hidden when you call people half-wits.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

I'm beginning to think that you should have your posts hidden when you call peopel half-wits.

Why should such personal attacks be permitted, especially since you've been doing it for years?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
66. I referred to no one specifically or in particular.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jul 2015

I referred to no one specifically or in particular. I often refer to demographics as such, though.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
67. That disingenous and cowardly, and I'm sure that you know it.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jul 2015

In the dozens of examples that I've checked, your target has been clear in every single case.

Funny that we see daily complaints about "alert stalking," yet you get to piss on everyone with impunity while hiding behind an openly deceptive claim of non-specificity.


You're fooling no one.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
68. Believe what validates you.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

Believe what validates you. No doubt it will warrant all the credibility and relevance it in fact, deserves.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
72. I believe that you're full of nonsense with delusions of depth and significance.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not alone in that belief, and you yourself validate it with nearly every post you write.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
88. You're intellectually dishonest and an actual liar, and I have backed that up previously.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jul 2015

That's very different from getting my feathers in a ruffle and calling people half-wits simply for disliking what they post.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
99. I don't give a shit what you can take
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jul 2015

And in fact I have several suggestions along those lines.

The ravings of an intellectually dishonest buffoon do not impress me or anyone else, and yet you prattle on.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
102. Just showing your hypocrisy.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

Good luck getting a sympathetic jury now that your colors are shown.

Never ceases to amuse me when someone pretends to be taking the high ground but then shows their nasty side.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
109. Bullshit.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

Since I have previously demonstrated that you are intellectually dishonest, I have no fear of jury alerts.

Further, I defy you to link to posts in which you have admitted that you were in error in a matter of judgment (rather than, say, aesthetic preference). Intellectually dishonest blowhards like you are incapable of such reflection.

Beyond that, it's pathetic that you envision people having only one "side." A fully developed human adult has a multitude of "sides" appropriate to different interactions and circumstances. When I'm calling out your nonsense, for instance, I strike a different tone than when I am celebrating the SCOTUS ruling on marriage equality.

It's a great tragedy that you are so limited that you can manage only one "side." Perhaps one day you'll achieve a breakthrough, but until then you'll have to be content with being a lame caricature.


Good luck to you.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
121. Easy?
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:55 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1108&pid=6150

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=43917

Here's the thing, you make things personal, and that's why you're being hypocritical here when you try to take some high road on name calling. You have this innate desire to tear people down, which is why when I'm wrong I move the fuck on over whatever it is, because the internet is full of people who tear other people down. And I admit I fall into the cycle too, and it disgusts me when I do and realize it after the fact.

In this case? I'll happily point out blatant hypocrisy when I see it.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
122. You seem not to know what hypocrisy is
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:36 AM
Jul 2015

And telling someone that they're "making it personal" is a sure sign that the accuser is desperate to change the subject. Next you'll tell me that I'm getting "defensive."

LaternWaste "makes it personal" by calling people half-wits. You've got your shit in a twist because someone had the nerve to call out that personal attack. And then you call me hypocritical? You clearly don't know what it means.


Your first link is hardly an admission of error, it's an insult to the readers in that thread, and you were rightly called out for it in the very first reply.

The secomd link is a little better, but not because you changed ypur thinking; you were forced to admit that you'd made a factual error, and even you apparently aren't a big enpugh fool to lie in the face of facts, at least not that time. And anyway that was three years ago! Pity that you can't endure a little introspection now and then, and that you think you have no need to grow. No wonder you think people only have one side.

How fucking sad for you.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
124. I deleted them because I was convinced of an error
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 06:44 AM
Jul 2015

You know--the kind of introspection and self-awareness of which you are incapable.


On an unrelated note, while walking outside this morning I spotted a heap of dog shit near the sidewalk. I decided not to make a big deal about it, because I sure as hell didn't want to get my hands dirty over a disgusting mess that was someone else's responsibility. I knew that paying attention to it wouldn't make it go away, and since it was away from the sidewalk I realized that it would only bother people who decided to pay attention to it. So I left it there and walked away, ignoring it.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
127. Precious.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:03 AM
Jul 2015

You do exactly what LanternWaste did, but, unlike you I won't be self-deleting any posts, as I've done nothing worthy of the implied "dog shit" insult.

An edit would've sufficed if you really thought you were in error, instead it appears you were trying to hide the half-witted comparison. Delete the posts, then cry foul when called out on it, after the fact. Talk about intellectual dishonesty.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
45. He sounds like a WONDERFUL father who cares about other kids, too -- not just his own.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jul 2015

Good for him for speaking out.

The thing doesn't belong in a toy store for kids.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
51. "a local dad" isn't "parents" plural.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jul 2015

Sure, FOX talked to a few others to cover their ass (so to speak) but those other parents were more "meh" than "furious".

I guess it fills the airtime, though, without having to talk about any actual news.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
64. It accurately depicts the character in the movie
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jul 2015

Duh. Did you let your kid see Star Wars? Well, there's the action figure.

WTF is wrong with people?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
79. The context of a toy store is what makes this different. Believe it or not, not every
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jul 2015

person has seen that movie or would recognize that figure and its significance.

Out of context, it's a half naked female doll in chains. Sold as a toy. And no, I wouldn't like Slave Barbie, either.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
85. Well shop somewhere else, trying to pretend Retail America was custom made for your family
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jul 2015

or a handful of families is about as succesful as hitting your head against a wall. Yes yes I know, capitalism is way kewl...until it is not.

Consumers are such fickle people.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
86. Definitely. And since we all have freedom of speech, I'm glad that father exercised his. n/t
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jul 2015

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
107. Yes, it might distract from the completely-appropriate Bratz dolls.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

Bratz: Because Barbie didn't dress enough like a prostitute.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
115. "And no, I wouldn't like Slave Barbie, either"
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jul 2015

I bet Strawman Barbie would probably be a huge seller though.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
89. Doncha know? Being outraged at science fiction is all the rage now!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jul 2015

I'm just glad the didn't make the AT AT walkers anotomically accurate, however it would have made a kewl cannon er something.

Personally I cannot abide by the way they let Chewie run around NEKKED like a hippie at Woodstock! And they made him use a bow!? What kind of shit statement is that? Oh yeah we hairy potheads can only use some laser weapon you have to cock (hehe) each time you want to fire the dam thing!

MY GOD THINK OF THE BRANDING won't you?? Down with crossbows, they feed the lies!

I hear sporting good stores sell crossbows! WON'T YOU THINK OF THE WOOKIES!?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
76. Well you know what they say about people that get really outraged over fiction.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jul 2015

What do they say? I don't know, but I am sure there is something they say.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
77. I hate this "think of the children" bullshit.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jul 2015

The entire world doesn't have to be rendered fuzzy and soft and non-threatening. There's a system in place to protect children from the rough edges, it's called "doing some goddamn parenting."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
83. Especially when we all know "think of the children" is utter hypocrisy.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jul 2015

Do we "think of the children" when they are a wee older and pointing weapons at strangers in foreign lands? I find the entire notion to be swill.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
87. Yeah, we sure think of the children
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jul 2015

Until most hit 18 and face one of three potential futures: meat for a meat grinder in some foreign war, the unemployment line, or >100k student debt.

We never really think of the children beyond protecting them from boobies and marijuana.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
110. I wonder if his kids have ever seen the movie/s.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jul 2015

In context, the character was not a slave, but an undercover operative.

To be honest, I don't know if this version of Leia is what I'd make into an action figure for kids, but his shock is 3 decades late.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
125. That second picture is what I imagine heaven to look like
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 06:47 AM
Jul 2015

Wish my wife would wear the outfit I got her.

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