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http://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelblackmon/17-harrowing-examples-of-white-privilege-9hu9#.asxgow052randys1
(16,286 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)therefore I can.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)so it's all good...
ACK!
Number23
(24,544 posts)race baiting, SJW's and trying to "explain" what's going on have been a surprise. NOT ONE. Because the brothers who wrote that Serena Williams piece really need a white person to "explain" exactly why what they're saying is so terribly bad and wrong and how it's counter productive.
Nothing brings out the psychos and butthurt on DU like a race thread. It just draws them out.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)Perfect
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)mcar
(42,331 posts)On this one. Illustrates it perfectly.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)having to play on an even field, for once.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)This is a bullshit conspiracy.
Thanks Obama!
randys1
(16,286 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I have been told to "get over it, move on, it is long gone, we need to live in the present" in regards to both slavery and the genocide of native Americans. I have been told that since I am Caucasian/non-native that I currently reap the benefits of both historical actions and that I act against my own self interest bringing these issues up at all. Though it is correct that I do benefit by this history, I will not stay quiet or accept those actions. Justice has not been served as of yet.
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)Even here, Jewish posters have been accused of "playing the Holocaust card" and "why should something that happened in another country be any of our concern?"
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Oh this is so easy
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Omg
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)You just cant help yourself
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"Que" is not a word (except in Spanish).
You and I posted almost identical posts at the same time.
randys1
(16,286 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)were unable to spell a fairly common word.
I paid no attention to your OP.
Hey, did you know the cavers are busy talking about you? Someone here sent me an interesting link.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as usual and expected by the usual suspects. Never a surprise and are always expected and laughed at by many.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Michelle Obama could be kidnapped and eviscerated - and some folks would be upset because Obama didn't cry as much over some little girl in Chicago - as he did his own wife. They are just looking for reasons to look down noses and not rub shoulders.
It's what makes them moist!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So even for those uninterested in the spelling lessons, this subthread has not been a complete waste of time.
randys1
(16,286 posts)to not respond to you for months, and I did it almost by accident here, I meant not to respond to you but about you
I have a rule about not responding to certain people
BTW
anyone reading this thread can see why I would not want to waste responses to you or someone who would pick out one misspelling out of tens of thousands of words
When you go after spelling, you admit complete defeat, you do know that, right?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it is a meaningless exercise that they get their jollies on. They like to bait, they just can't help it. To wrapped up in their white privilege to recognize it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)To add to the list of short words with a "q" such as "qi", "qua", and "suq".
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Unless agreed upon at the outset. (Or until SHE wants to use one!)
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)
almost daily at her home an hour away from the farm.
We lost my father not that long ago, and that's left a hole in her life.
Besides, I'm a worrywart. I treasure her.
Edited to ask: Is there some reason you need to know my living arrangements?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)geez... sad indeed.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)My sincere apologies for drifting off-topic.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You spelled it "que" which is the Spanish word for "what".
heaven05
(18,124 posts)that many people are laughing at you. Don't you. This distraction BS is so obviously false and asinine as to be ludicrous.To expected though.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Obviously, I'm still here. If I were not white, I probably would not be.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Ummm... about intentionally confusing anecdotal evidence with the realities of the world.
madville
(7,410 posts)"1. Because of white privilege, youll never have to worry about becoming the victim of law enforcement officers."
According to the DOJ statistics around 260 white people are killed by police every year, compared to around 130 black people.
I just take issue with the word "never". If they wanted to say black people were more likely, per capita, to be victims of the police, sure that's true. To say white people are never victims of the police is a ridiculous statement.
randys1
(16,286 posts)all of the rest stand as does that one with that one change.
Not never, for sure.
Not anymore.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)White teenagers.
So there goes #2.......
heaven05
(18,124 posts)will continue to stand as they have for generations, until some people wake up from their make believe world. Sad thing is, that dream world living means that they will probably stand for more decades. Truly sad, the depths to which people will go to hold on to their white privilege
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Seriously. He thinks he knows and as lived your life - but he hasn't. But it's funny watching him try to 'one up' you. Young whipper snapper!
You know what my grand daddy used to say? "Hush your mouth girl! Don't you know children ought 'be seen and not heard!"
That's when I would point out he had a very very dark face!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)for the laughter....I needed that...... I heard that one also.....
npk
(3,660 posts)If you keep doing this you are going to cause them to post another 600 of these ignorant threads.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Number 4 is also up for grabs.... as I have several times had people be amazed at my vocabulary.... because I have a southern drawl.
But we're all inbred hayseeds down here.... and we are all prejudice too.... doncha know.
Still, the list is accurate in that folks of color have to put up with these things in far greater numbers than the average white person. And that's all there is to it.
randys1
(16,286 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)And it ain't purdy that's for sure!
randys1
(16,286 posts)I used to think that as a white person my comments about race were largely ignored by most other whites, and if that is true, maybe they need to hear it from the Black member of the community.
Maybe the thread needs to be an exception to all others here at DU, a hands off post or OP by you where agreed upon in advance it will not be alerted on or hidden.
Say whatever you want and anyone who tries to hide it can consider themselves certainly part of the problem, not the solution.
I wish there was a way Sid would agree to such a thing, just once.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)The thread would be locked so damned quickly! :lmao:
heaven05
(18,124 posts)we need you...not that many of us it seems anymore, here. A few from all walks, but not many. Sad indeed.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)As in, it's not a worry common to white people because of their skin color. And it's not.
But you knew that and argued some other point.
Give it a rest.
madville
(7,410 posts)BS, tell that to the homeless white people around here that are constantly harassed by the police. Or the homeless white guy shot and killed by the police here several years ago while trying to protect his tent and dog by the interstate. They worry about being victims of the police all day long, everyday.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Nothing.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Is that what you want to hear? It would
Seem so.
madville
(7,410 posts)The police harass, assault, and kill people of all races, ethnicities, religions, genders, etc everyday. Poor people across all spectrums have to worry about being targeted by local law enforcement, so the word "never" is in #1 is wrong.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)madville
(7,410 posts)I would say yes. If that's the case then to say "white privilege means never worrying about being a victim of law enforcement" is false since poor white people are victims of law enforcement on a regular basis.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)My brother isn't - owns his own company.
My father wasn't - now dead.
My Uncle Otis isn't.
My nephews aren't.
But they are all or were black.
So a rich law abiding military decorated 70-something black man who has contributed to his country -
Is treated the same way a law breaking pot smoking in the street (Nye bevan's example) white 20 year old lay about is? That ain't right.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)ALL people of color are. In fact, if you are a person of color and driving an expensive car, that's a reason in and of itself for you to be pulled over.
madville
(7,410 posts)That low income white people are also routinely victims of law enforcement.
Does white privilege also apply to poor white people? If it does then to say "white privilege means never worrying about being a victim of law enforcement" is false.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)so it's a lack of wealth privilege that causes that. Being white does not hurt them in the eyes of the police. That's how privilege works. You have it in some places, and not in others. People of color are targeted for being people of color. Poor people of color are targeted both for being poor AND for being people of color.
madville
(7,410 posts)"White privilege means never having to worry about being a victim of law enforcement due to race" would have been way more accurate.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They might have thought that was obvious due to the title, but they could have explicitly stated it.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Leontius
(2,270 posts)or control. Fuck that shit.
randys1
(16,286 posts)racism that goes on in this country, if that is your biggest problem
oy
Then yes, it is an EXAMPLE of white privilege
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)but that does't mean whites don't benefit from it.
If the 9/11 hijackers had been white, would white people have been demonized the way brown Muslims have been since 9/11?
All white people weren't held accountable for Timothy McVeigh, yet many whites constantly call on Muslims to denounce terrorism.
White privilege is perhaps not knowing that you'll serve less time in prison than a black person even if you both commit a similar crime.
Fuck that shit?
Indeed.
randys1
(16,286 posts)privilege and the denial of same
Leontius
(2,270 posts)I do what I can which granted isn't much, I have no power in this society except on a personal level, but go ahead keep slapping the faces of those who know and those who try to help push for a more equal society and pretty soon they 'll stop.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it, the fact that white privilege is continually contributing to racism, both systemic and institutionalized, is not something to get offended by, IF you're trying to not exercise it every time a situation arises that contributes to racial inequality.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)They'll stop doing what? Not being racist assholes?
CANDO
(2,068 posts)So you can do that......call your white liberal/progressive allies "racist assholes" with impunity when they don't play along with the narrative.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If people have the ability to "force" you to feel guilt, you should try looking inward to address that personal weakness rather than outward to simply cast blame.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)Iggo
(47,552 posts)I certainly don't feel guilty about it.
But I do accept that it exists.
Do you?
Leontius
(2,270 posts)it most certainly exists.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it's obvious...geez
Leontius
(2,270 posts)Not my cross to bear.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Leontius
(2,270 posts)This entire thing has been a cry for trying to instill guilt in the blameless, a cry for an apology undeserved. And I repeat fuck that shit.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)among the whiners who feel powerless in their ability to stop the scrutiny of white privilege. It shall here and believe all over this net be a point of reference as to part of the problem with america. PLEASE!!! Don't feel guilty, but quit putting yourself on front street in showing the fear many here and other places are feeling as that privilege slowly diminishes and fades into the dustbin of history....
Leontius
(2,270 posts)What will you blame for your failure when your current excuse disappears?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)thank you for your concern. Failure? okay, if you say so...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)That people of color are failures who are using racism as an excuse for that failure, and that racism doesn't cause people to have trouble succeeding. I hope that's not what you mean because that has no place here.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)I swear to gawd the hardest part is getting them past this phantom guilt trip they think everyone's laying on them.
(And yes, at one time I was they.)
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Good one. Whew!
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)Because you don't condone it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and acknowledging the existence of white privilege is a step to control it. If you've never seen it, your haven't been looking.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I think of it as a reason to try to be more aware. I know I don't always succeed, but being engaged in the process enlarges life. YMMV.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)will never have.
It's the difference between finding it necessary to tell your family members, young and old, they should watch what they say to white folk - not get uppity, as it were - because they might be shot in the back by any of them, perhaps lynched, even by the police officers who are supposed to be there to protect them. Solely because of the color of their skin.
That is a fantastic privilege all white folk have in this country. It wouldn't be a privilege if black folk weren't treated very differently because of the color of their skin in so many ways.
So take this point to heart, get it through your head, whatever - that means white privilege isn't about you.
It has nothing to do with how YOU feel. How you feel is about you. Discussing you in this context would be selfish, really doesn't mean jack shit to anyone except you. That is one of the few things you are in complete control of, that mostly no one else can affect without your assistance.
The other reason you should not feel guilty - everyone has a privilege. Yours is to find many less barriers to life because you are white. If you want to feel guilty, go ahead. But no one else give a rat's ass whether you feel guilty or not, when a murdered victim of color, killed by a police gun, is laying in the street.
That is their privilege.
Because it's not about you.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Feeling guilty about slavery is a lot less painful with living with the consequences of slavery.
YMMV
Prism
(5,815 posts)I'd say straight privilege is the weird appropriation of gay culture by a heterosexual for a message board crusade. It kind of skeeves me out as a gay man, to be honest.
That said, this thread is weird. Compare these two things:
1. Law enforcement often kills young black men for no or suspect cause.
2. I want to use a racially inflammatory phrase on a message board without criticism.
Yes. Exactly alike issues. Not a hair's breadth of distance between the two.
(Again though, I find the gay appropriation really strange).
randys1
(16,286 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)for that matter. It's obvious. Glass house, you know the saying?
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)To what are you referring?
clarice
(5,504 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)n/t
clarice
(5,504 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Growing up poor and white, vs. an African American child growing up poor.
Now, which of you had a better chance of advancing from a socio-economic perspective? You could walk into any store in America and no one would follow you. You could apply for any job, and be immediately viewed more favorable than your African American counterpart.
White privilege doesn't have anything to do with how much money you have. It has to do with everyday circumstances, and the advantages you have without even being aware of them.
clarice
(5,504 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)And perception and actions by others impact our circumstances. That is the whole point.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)There is no "mastering the circumstances" of being a minority and the racism that comes with it. It's an easy thing to imagine that one can "get over it" when one isn't in the circumstance described.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)There are many, many factors beyond anyone's control that affect who gets hired and fired, for example. In blind studies, applicants with a "black" name (or one that is perceived to be) are less likely to be hired than one with a "white" name. Men are more likely to be hired in similar tests than women. A person's weight affects whether or not they will be hired, etc.
It's called implicit bias. We all have it. I do, you do, everyone here does. It's pretty much unconscious and we are mostly unaware we are doing it, but it is there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype
And there is such a thing as stereotype threat, in which people who are reminded of their status do worse on tests. So, no, in many ways, we are not "master's of our circumstances." People who are born impoverished tend to remain that way through life, no matter how many Horatio Alger stories we may tell ourselves. Not to say it doesn't happen, but if you are born poor and minority, you have many cards stacked against you from the beginning. Not that it can't be overcome, but it is more than "pulling yourself up." No one "builds it themselves". No one.
And all "white privilege" (which I agree is an inartful term) says is that whites have built in advantages that others do not. It doesn't mean wealth necessarily.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)That's the point.
clarice
(5,504 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)not you, be you he or she...My point being that the 'white privilege' meme is being overplayed.
clarice
(5,504 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)that is why racism is still a problem in america, or is there no racism in your world? You're color blind, post racial? What?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)When you address that, I'll address your points.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)
white male privilege is a fact of american life. It's been used to commit genocide against the First-true american and African-americans thru forced slavery and terror in the form of old and New Jim Crow laws, night riders of the KKK, . It's been used, recently, politically to try to deny women the right to make medical choices about their own bodies. What are you looking for? That's white privilege in a small way, it gets uglier. You don't know me, don't call me Hans, only my friends are allowed to call me that.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Even I was surprised.
By the way, it's not only White males.who have privilege, dear, it's ALL males
and I'm sure many AA women will be glad to.remind you of the fact.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)only my friends call me hans. Otherwise, yes male privilege without power to exert it on a whole society is a fact of life among AA people. Black males have privilege but in the pecking order that has been quietly kept under the radar. White male privilege is the one, dear, that has guided this country's fortunes for generations. I find many AA women exert quite a bit of power, Condi..ect ect ect. But Bush and Cheny pulled the trigger. THAT'S white male privilege. For definite fact. Women have been treated like second class citizens, you get no argument from me. That's white male privilege telling them they can't make informed choices about their bodies, not black male privilege.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)'Cause you don't know my real name.
As for "white male.privilege".guiding this countries fortunes", yes, but 'this' is the key word.
In other countries/continents it's males of other colors, including yours.
As for AA women exerting "quite a bit of power", right -- White men say the same thing
to white women. -- It's a deflection.
There is NO male privilege 'without power". On a one.to one basis, you have physical power
over all women and social power, certainly, over women of your own race and arguably other races,
so forgive me if I don't feel "appropriately' guilty for my color -- Power accruing to it has been greatly
reduced by my gender.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)
other countries haven't caused up to a million civilian casualties in one war. Only white male privilege caused that. And while I really don't want to know your name "dear", back atcha and I'll be glad when the maturation process starts affecting your critical thinking skills. I'm done with your blindness, white male privilege + nuclear weapons + Hiroshima=white male power and privilege to detonate that horrible device on human beings. Also, please refrain from the idea that you can explain to me the dynamic of AA male power or ability. You can't period. It has been 'splained' to me hundreds of times by people with no clue. bye
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and if you had the slightest grasp of even recent history, you'd know how foolish your claim that only
"white male privilege caused up to a million casualties".
Ever heard of the Rwandan Genocide? Since it occurred only 20 years ago, dear,
there's really excuse for your ignorance, but let's give you a 'heads up', shall we?
Two African populations slaughtered each other's men, women, and children. The
carnage surpassed anything seen on the continent in a century, and they needed no hydrogen
bomb to cause a million civilians casualties. Technology doesn't make people more evil, dear, just more efficient.
Good grief, there was even been a film made about it called "Hotel Rwanda" starring Don Cheadle
Looks like you need to get out more, genius, and, yes, I'm sure, as well as glad, that you're "done with me".
Remedial education is SO tiring.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you can't deal with reality, I can't help that. Keep up the good work in digging that hole to china, you'll reach sooner or later. Have a good one. I really have had a lot of fun with you. Your snark is amusing to say the least about you. But boring. I have wasted enough time on you. Back to serious business.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)How predictable of you to avoid the substance of a post and choose, instead, to rely on name calling and baseless assertions.
Learn to construct a sound argument, Heaven05.
It's something that can be learned and it's a valuable tool
that will help you in life, not to mention on DU.
Until then, I'm afraid I'll have to invite you onto the Big O List..
Goodbye and good luck.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)You add the 's' when you set up your profile at DU.
randys1
(16,286 posts)DId you actually believe that because you arent rich that you also have no white privilege?
I cant speak to what you DID with that privilege, but I can GOD DAMN guarantee you have it
clarice
(5,504 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)to accept reality
clarice
(5,504 posts)your responses to me....and I forgot how easy it is to rile you up.
No need to respond. I'm done.
randys1
(16,286 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)you're done.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)She's one of the people making me crack up over here! She's a proper lady heaven - quite refined.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)my, my my. Everyone one looking for a super hero savior and he/she is right in front of you, IF you're standing in front of a mirror.
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whathehell
(29,067 posts)Want to wring your hands a little about that, or are you too busy enjoying it?
Last edited Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
And I can still walk home from work at 2 a.m. w/o fear of the police killing me or beating me or even just checking to see why I'm walking through such a nice neighborhood at that hour. I don't have to worry about the folks that live in said neighborhood calling the cops on me. I don't have to worry about the store clerk eyeballing me with suspicion when I stop in for a pack of smokes at that hour.
Upon edit: Apparently I didn't make my position clear. It's because I'm a white male that I don't have to worry about any of those things. There is white privilege. I hope for a country where there is isn't, we're all equal as human beings.
clarice
(5,504 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)without fear of some MALE raping and/or killing me.
Must be great having that Male Privilege.
I agree. And I recognize that. I don't understand why you assume I'm unaware that I'm very lucky to be a white male in America.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)one "privilege' is played to death here, while the other
is virtually ignored.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I responded to another poster about the subject matter and then you assume I'm not aware nor care about women's safety? That I'm unaware that men rape women every day? Or that there are shelters over flowing with abused women try to get away from their abusers?
I have two sisters that are women. In fact, my mom was too and before you make another assumption about me referring to my mom in the past tense, is because she's passed on so she's nothing but a hole in my heart that will never be filled. I care very much about the opposite sex members of this country and the world. I'm extremely p/o'ed that you assume the worst of somebody and insult me like this especially in a response of mine where I acknowledge white privilege and how lucky I am. Wouldn't that give you a clue that I might actually be a decent human being?
You're upset that there aren't enough threads addressing women's issues as it relates white male or just male privilege. Start some. But please, in the future, don't assume I'm an ignorant, head up my butt, misogynistic, classless bore.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I doubt I seemed nearly as upset as your
long post tells me you are, but your reaction -
- some might say overreaction -- Is instructive,
as I believe it's like that of many white DUers
when repeatedly lectured on 'white privilege'
couldn't have said it better myself, as an american black male.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)for slavery and discrimination against African Americans.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)HOF is always rocking and we are more than happy to have these discussions with her if she wants to start them!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and you know it. goodbye...
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)But I won't be made to feel guilty because I didn't grow up dirt poor.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... at the horrifying prospect of government aggressively taxing million dollar incomes. Are you rich? Poor? or a temporarily embarassed millionaire?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)comfortable and un-threatened, we will do the actual work in the meantime.
Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #32)
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randys1
(16,286 posts)have a rather silly idea that doing this is clever.
It isnt.
Either defend your comments or dont
bravenak
(34,648 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)-cringeworthy-
HFRN
(1,469 posts)'so what if you didn't do anything wrong, Adam and Eve did. Doesn't matter that you've never met them, they sinned and that sin is now yours. And that means you'd better please me'
a lot of really horrible things went on in that school.....
doesn't mean that this is the same thing, but it admittedly, it does hit the same nerve, rightly or wrongly
Bonx
(2,053 posts)Next step is admitting you are a 'sinner'. There is no other choice.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I just won't admit to sins that I didn't commit.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)These oppressors murdered or displaced millions of indigenous peoples in the Americas and Australia, captured and enslaved millions more, segregated and consistently feed an inferiority complex to those enslaved people, murdered millions during WWI and WWII then overthrew progressive governments and installed oppressive fundamentalist dictators.
randys1
(16,286 posts)and if I type que instead of cue, I can then make fun of me for multiple posts while ignoring the reason why I have to do that, see
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)What the hell is wrong with us?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)not everyone can.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)...I'll just open myself up to accusations (either implied or explicit) of being ignorant due to my privilege or latent racism.
So I don't usually respond.
When you post things like this, what responses are you hoping to get in return?
randys1
(16,286 posts)white privilege or the Black tennis player isnt really all that, etc.
I figured I would point these facts about white privilege out.
What about these can you not agree with?
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Many of the statements begin with the basic form, "Because of white privilege, youll never [enter example of white privilege]."
The problem with these statements is that if there exists one instance to the contrary, it proves the claim false. It doesn't matter if there are a millions counter instances or just one.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)White people enjoy the best benefits of America, they have no right to judge the financial performance (or well being) of people of other races in America, who didn't enjoy multi-generational, class and majority privilege.
If certain blacks and hispanics do really well financially in America, that's good. However, they are more likely the exception rather than the rule. How many white people would do just as well without the privileges they have being a white American? A lot of white Americans are relatively well off because they had the privilege of riding the coattails of the postwar boom (which was largely closed to minorities.)
Also, some minorities, like Asians, do well financially. However that's because they often come to America with some sort of financial advantages in the first place: they tend to have enough money to start a business in this country, and they put their children through college and push them to become professionals, or they come here either wealthy or already have some prominent university education (which is a middle class privilege.)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and you did bring out the "usual suspects".....very laughable
randys1
(16,286 posts)misspelling or mispeling or fuck you
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as you pointed out. Nothing to see there with the "usual suspects". They love to get their kicks in, cheaply.
randys1
(16,286 posts)by us white folks, but I do
heaven05
(18,124 posts)probably will always live in the dark, never to come out into the light of the real world as your post aptly depicts. Don't sweat them, they are not worth it. The TRUTH ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR ITSELF and BS like theirs ends up in the toilet of history. Ohhhh, that was a good one if I say so myself... I just have fun with them, it's something to do as a distraction.....
randys1
(16,286 posts)today and hit the wrong button.
I usually use posts I agree with to respond to , well you know, to illustrate my point.
We are fortunate here at DU, while there are many white people here who deny their white privilege, the rhetoric isnt as violent as you will see elsewhere.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)truly a mean spirited and viciously hateful groups of racist in america. I totally agree. hey keep up the good work and glad to see the OP here and responses. They keep things in perspective for a lot of critical thinkers who know how to reasonably arrive at the truth about american culture.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Even those of us who didn't live in that time, or weren't in an area where it was happening, can learn about this through film and books.
It should be required in high school, if not earlier, but in the South they are trying to remove it from schools altogether.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)no lookie
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)I was definitely aware of my colour.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Apparently that wasnt enough, though, because even after the paramedic said she was okay to fly, the staff further insisted that she provide a written note from her family doctor giving her the okay. After contacting her doctor and providing a short one sentence letter vouching for her health (I know of no reason why this patient should not fly, the letter stated according to The Daily Record), the airlines finally gave in and allowed Wain to board along with her father, mother, and brother.
Her father, Paul Wain, was astounded at the airlines behavior.
I told them, We live in Scotland. She is a redhead and she has a pale complexion. Thats just the way she is, Wain told The Daily Record.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/96805-scottish-girl-told-she-is-too-pale-to-board-plane-because-apparently-you-need-to-be
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Can't you find a white person in America who #UnitedSucks wouldn't let fly to Costa Rica? That would be a better example.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)it's the horrible truth. Scary, that fear of losing something one counts on everyday to stay ahead, isn't it? Wow. I don't feel for you.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)It's good that we have an ethnic group we can beat on pretty much whenever we want.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)And making broad untrue stereotypes is completely fine as long as its done to white people. Its never been so fun to be a racist. Lets all hate on whitey.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)ETA - my bad. He IS on this thread. Let me go see if he wants to respond to being picked on!
randys1
(16,286 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)Yes its racism.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)How the SJW set embodies unrepentant racism, sexism, bigotry of all stripes while railing against same.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the greatest truths about american culture and reveals why institutionalized and systemic RACISM is so hard to defeat. With the whining, crying, diminishing, distracting attempted here in last couple of days concerning the truth of this OP, I have finally seen real fear from some people who cannot deal with the fact that others know about your privilege and have finally shed light upon it. And with what I've had to read here, that light is hurting a lot of people who thought they could keep their 'secret' hidden. Nope. Everyone knows, who knows the truth and are critical thinkers enough to admit the truth. Quit whining and crying and give it up.....
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The latter seems to be what the SJW movement mostly inspires. It's hard to say bigots are "feared" in the current climate, I think disdain or simply "being done" with them is a more apt description. At some point, one just stops listening.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)
who cares. It's what the privileged have always done. Disdain, sure. Fear not of them. They fear losing, that's what I am saying. And I am laughing out loud at the palpable fear they are showing. Don't care, don't listen. Won't make a difference one way or the other. Only precise, concise revelation of unjust systems and institutions and a continuing hammering away at the inequality of those societal systems and institutions that discriminate based on color, gender, sexual orientation will change things. You don't think that in 50 years of fighting against an unjust system I haven't wanted to just go into a cave and pull the rock in behind me. Just never have been left alone long enough with constant reminders that I'm not good enough to be called equal. Never been accepted as 100 percent human...3/4 of a man....actually what a lot still think. Don't care? I could care less. It's why hate based on race is so hard to defeat. You have the option to not care, people getting shot down in the streets and churches because of the color of their skin doesn't give me that privileged option. Have a good one not caring....
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)So then you do care at least a bit. I'm touched, really.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)But Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)How is fighting bigotry with more bigotry working out for you? Do you think it's a viable long-term strategy for establishing equality and peaceful co-existence?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Your serious use of the term SJW tells me all I need to know about you.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)It's always funny to see that "bathing in <hated group's> tears" meme whenever people get tired of SJW's and tell them to go away. But I suppose there has to be some salve for not being taken seriously by anybody. May it soothe your hurts.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Please, do tell us how atheism is the new civil rights movement, oh fedora'd one!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Those are at least a year out of date.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)another black person, unarmed, men, women and children are shot down in the streets and churches of this country. And the ones doing the shooting believe the propaganda to be able to shoot down innocent and untried victims with summary executions. Dylaan roof believed the propaganda, did he not? So that's as far as I'll go in explaining the lack of understanding you have about this OP. You're not alone. It is obvious to critical thinkers, otherwise it's lost in a morass of whining and crying with obvious fear of losing the very thing the OP is pointing out. Truly sad.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Clockwork.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)At this point, they're doing it deliberately.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Nothing on the list is a "privilege" but rather how EVERYONE should be treated.
I believe the term conveys the idea all would be well if whites were treated as such and of course that isn't true. The idea is for all to be treated equally well not equally abused.
It is no privilege not to be beaten on, thrown in jail, abused, generally treated like a criminal but rights some of us don't have protected.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)wrong.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Is it your opinion this should be the base state and any better is a privilege?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Certain people have the privilege of knowing they will not, short of posing a real lethal threat to the authorities, be beaten, jailed unjustly or executed summarily in the streets based on their color. Get off of it. Doesn't make sense what you say. It has never been the "base" in this country that the privileged sub group faces the threat that the unprivileged sub group does. Don't worry, won't happen to you, I can guarantee that, based on your privileged status in american society.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)It is insulting to pretend there is nothing different about being white. It's also insulting to pretend not to notice skin color. "Oh! Gerald is black, isn't he? Funny, I never noticed."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)For example, the first two:
1. Because of white privilege, youll never have to worry about becoming the victim of law enforcement officers.
Definitely and demonstrably not true. Perhaps changing the wording from "never have to worry..." to something else would help.
2. Thankfully, youll never have to know what it feels like to see your teenage sons death being mocked.
Also not true. Teens post mocking pictures of pretty much anything, including white people getting killed.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think that's what's intended by the article but it doesn't state that explicitly.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This OP falls in the latter category, in my opinion.
Trivializes a real issue by reducing it sloppily into an over-simplified and sporadically inaccurate list.
romanic
(2,841 posts)another privilege thread where everyone is bickering and picking at each other. This is is why race relations will never improve in this country. *sighs* Fools.