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Anyone else find Rachel Maddow's focus on GOP debate criteria (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 OP
She is a host and no different from Anderson or Lennon! akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #1
TV is about moving pictures with sound that keep people's attention. Trump does that very well. TeamPooka Aug 2015 #19
Is Her Focus On The GOP Debate Criteria Or Is It On Fouks News? left on green only Aug 2015 #2
Yeah it's a legitimate critique of Fox News alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #5
Well, When VP Biden says he will run, it will be a different akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #6
Good luck with that alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #8
Well, am hoping VP Biden will run but if he decides akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #16
DU is so camped up right now there's no room for Biden at the inn. Maybe out back in the stable.... TeamPooka Aug 2015 #20
I don't think so kcjohn1 Aug 2015 #11
I think there's something odd about outsourcing the criteria from alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #15
Who cares. Those are the only two things she takes about. jberryhill Aug 2015 #14
Yes. obsessive was exactly the word that came to my mind, 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #3
I just turned it off as I had finished cutting veggies for dinner emsimon33 Aug 2015 #25
not much new to say about dems. gotta fill that hour nt msongs Aug 2015 #4
Well, there is a lot going on in the rest of the world Retrograde Aug 2015 #12
Cable news nets don't care about other countries until we bomb them. nt TeamPooka Aug 2015 #21
One show after another on MSNBC any more covers mostly the same topics emsimon33 Aug 2015 #24
But Fox is having a GOP debate! jberryhill Aug 2015 #7
"A media outlet is deciding who gets to run for President!!!!" alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #10
But that's not all jberryhill Aug 2015 #13
^^ THIS ^^ COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #32
Trump or GOP kcjohn1 Aug 2015 #9
She's a political scientist. moondust Aug 2015 #17
^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^ left on green only Aug 2015 #18
Yes, I felt the same emsimon33 Aug 2015 #22
I can't even watch these shows anymore. Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #23
Well, I generally learn something from watching her show, madamesilverspurs Aug 2015 #26
personally... chillfactor Aug 2015 #27
Watch again tonight alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #33
Or, it's important. I trust Rachel. longship Aug 2015 #28
She is definitely concerned about Faux' methods of choosing who will stay but maybe it IS Stardust Aug 2015 #29
The Comcast producers have taken over malaise Aug 2015 #30
No, it's a valid point. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #31
The stuff she decides to cover extensively always matters but she often over covers it just the same Tom Rinaldo Aug 2015 #34
No-Rachel provided some great information last night Gothmog Aug 2015 #35

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
1. She is a host and no different from Anderson or Lennon!
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:16 AM
Aug 2015

I wish they would not focus so much on Donald Trump but they are giving him more airspace, which I find distasteful.

TeamPooka

(24,232 posts)
19. TV is about moving pictures with sound that keep people's attention. Trump does that very well.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:20 AM
Aug 2015

Like Howard Stern, like him or hate him he attracts an audience.
That's all a TV show cares about, audience.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
2. Is Her Focus On The GOP Debate Criteria Or Is It On Fouks News?
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:19 AM
Aug 2015

Of course I'm not saying that she has a axe to grind at Fouks.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
6. Well, When VP Biden says he will run, it will be a different
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:28 AM
Aug 2015

reporting, I assume! I cannot wait for him to announce that he is running for the Presidency.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
11. I don't think so
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:37 AM
Aug 2015

You can't have unlimited candidates up there. Having 17 candidates for debate is way to much. I think 10 is also pushing it.

No perfect cut off methodology but polls seem to make sense. They way Rachel is going on and on about this you would its the greatest injustice to the 7 who missed out. Does anyone really think these 7 were going anywhere with candidacy?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. I think there's something odd about outsourcing the criteria from
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:46 AM
Aug 2015

the Party and/or some other debate-oriented entity to a network, and then giving that network free rein to develop what appear to be rather ad hoc criteria. It's hinky, but ultimately of little consequence.

That said, I agree with your second point that her arm-flapping about it is now bordering on ridiculous. It's a narrative she's chosen to go with, and it is silly at best, utterly tedious at worst.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
3. Yes. obsessive was exactly the word that came to my mind,
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:20 AM
Aug 2015

before I poked through your OP to the message,

I think Rachael likes her job a LOT, and saw what happened to ED
when he started actually reporting on how Bernie's candidacy is
quickly becoming seriously problematic for Hillary & 3rd Way Dems.

Also, this is a total two-fer for Rachael and MSNBC to be able to
'expose' how badly FOX has meddled in the GOP's Primary process.

That said, I also find it damn annoying, to the point where I turn it
off or change channels and come back to see if her next segment is
anything worthwhile.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
12. Well, there is a lot going on in the rest of the world
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:40 AM
Aug 2015

Britain and France flinging insults at each other about immigrants in Calais, blocking of Channel ports, economic problems in the Eurozone, the whole MessO'Potamia (as Jon Stewart used to call it), continued drought in the US West...

It's getting so I can get through Rachel and Lawrence in less than 15 minutes these days.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
24. One show after another on MSNBC any more covers mostly the same topics
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:34 AM
Aug 2015

I think that is why their ratings are dropping. Ed was the only one in the evening lineup that had a different perspective consistently. Now Chuck, the puppet idiot, Todd. Oh, please.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. But Fox is having a GOP debate!
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:31 AM
Aug 2015

Have you heard?

There's going to be a debate. On Fox! Of the GOP candidates.

But there are a lot of them.

Here's a chart. See all of their faces? Let's add some colors to the chart, and, oh, let's remove some faces.

Now these faces, which are the GOP candidates, can't all fit on one stage for a debate.

And this is a problem because Fox is going to have a GOP candidate debate of ten candidates.

You see, if there are 17 candidates, and only 10 will be in the debate, then that means 7 won't be in the debate.

You see how that works? If you have 17 and you take away 10, and put those ten on a stage, then you have 7 left over.

Here to explain why 17 minus 10 is 7, is Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. They'll. be live here with us, when we come back.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
10. "A media outlet is deciding who gets to run for President!!!!"
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

Yeah, no shit, Rachel.

I think her weird excitement over it is weird.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. But that's not all
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:42 AM
Aug 2015

Rick Santorum is really upset by this.

And tomorrow Huckabee might say something about how upset Santorum is, and then Trump will say something dreadful about Huckabee. OMG what will it be!

Oh, and here are the polls Fox used and here's how everything would be different if they used different polls and if Roger Ailes didn't miss one because he was having a boil on his ass lanced.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
9. Trump or GOP
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:33 AM
Aug 2015

Not even discussing issues unless it's crazy GOP position on social issues. It's like there is no Dem primary and we are just waiting on GOP to select their candidate.

One of the interesting thing Trump said was that he bought candidates like Hillary before and he knows how the game is played and called put all the politicians fundraising from the rich. Very interesting and true take but very little play in the corporate media

They tell us all the time how much each candidates raise like a game but rarely will you here them state how this is legalized bribery and how politicians are slaves to their donors.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
17. She's a political scientist.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:49 AM
Aug 2015

Rhodes Scholarship, Doctorate from Oxford in politics. As such she probably enjoys digging into anything new/weird/absurd in politics.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
22. Yes, I felt the same
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:30 AM
Aug 2015

I understand why Fox (which I loathe) did what they did: They wanted a greater margin between the last two potential stage standers. As far as I could tell, she wasted a lot of time on nothing! Why not focus on TPP or some other really important issue!

madamesilverspurs

(15,806 posts)
26. Well, I generally learn something from watching her show,
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:42 AM
Aug 2015

even if it's something I didn't want to know. And at my age, still learning is a good thing!

longship

(40,416 posts)
28. Or, it's important. I trust Rachel.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 04:50 AM
Aug 2015

An ideological news network, which has been operating as a partisan outlet has control of one of the two major political parties in the USA.

What is tedious is what FoxNews is doing and how they are trying to game a national election.

Rachel has it right. And she's the only one speaking out about it.

If you find it tedious, don't watch it. But caution, consider what one would think if MSNBC gamed Democratic debates like Fox has done.

Your concern is noted. And discarded.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
29. She is definitely concerned about Faux' methods of choosing who will stay but maybe it IS
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:05 AM
Aug 2015

important. I smell Koch money behind Faux' decision-making process. I can't prove it, of course, but it's extremely disconcerting how Faux picked and chose the polls they used. They obviously cherry-picked the candidates, and I'm sure there was some nefarious reason behind it. I think Rachel is concerned that some power is manipulating the stage to showcase only their chosen ones and the obvious throw-aways who are there just for show.

On another note, not all viewers watch several programs all night. Most probably just tune in for one show; time is precious, and most folks don't have a lot of spare time. So, the producers program their shows to cater to those who is are there to catch the one show they have time for. CNN is notorious for running the same news stories all day, over and over. Faux, too. That's what you get with several 24/7 news programs. Repitition is bound to happen.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
31. No, it's a valid point.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:48 AM
Aug 2015

We are seeing the primary process of one party and its dynamics being hijacked by a television network.

That's not tedious, that's potentially undermining democracy as we know it. - Because it will solidify the make-belief news's hold over one party and its ideology, and no popular disagreement can influence that process.

It also solidiufies the role that big bucks are starting to play on that side of the spectre. It's bad enough that we have a choice between neo-conservatives and neo-liberals in most elections, but when we verge into a situation where the choice is between neo-liberals and top-down controlled neo-fascists who don't care about their constituancies at all...

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
34. The stuff she decides to cover extensively always matters but she often over covers it just the same
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:34 AM
Aug 2015

I try not to miss her show. I like her a lot and respect her enormously, but often I feel like I'm being treated like a child when she keeps saying the same thing over and over in slightly different ways. I know it isn't really her intent, but it feels like she doesn't trust that me, the viewer, will be able to grasp the point she is making if she doesn't keep hammering it into my dense skull. I do wish she would stop doing that.

Gothmog

(145,381 posts)
35. No-Rachel provided some great information last night
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:45 AM
Aug 2015

Rachel actually made me feel a little sorry for Rick Perry because the RNC and Fox are screwing Perry

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