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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone else find Rachel Maddow's focus on GOP debate criteria
To be boring and a little obsessive. None of this shit will matter in even 2 months.
It's tedious.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I wish they would not focus so much on Donald Trump but they are giving him more airspace, which I find distasteful.
TeamPooka
(24,232 posts)Like Howard Stern, like him or hate him he attracts an audience.
That's all a TV show cares about, audience.
left on green only
(1,484 posts)Of course I'm not saying that she has a axe to grind at Fouks.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)But it goes on and on every show. It's silly.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)reporting, I assume! I cannot wait for him to announce that he is running for the Presidency.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)not to for family reasons, that is understandable!
TeamPooka
(24,232 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)You can't have unlimited candidates up there. Having 17 candidates for debate is way to much. I think 10 is also pushing it.
No perfect cut off methodology but polls seem to make sense. They way Rachel is going on and on about this you would its the greatest injustice to the 7 who missed out. Does anyone really think these 7 were going anywhere with candidacy?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)the Party and/or some other debate-oriented entity to a network, and then giving that network free rein to develop what appear to be rather ad hoc criteria. It's hinky, but ultimately of little consequence.
That said, I agree with your second point that her arm-flapping about it is now bordering on ridiculous. It's a narrative she's chosen to go with, and it is silly at best, utterly tedious at worst.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)before I poked through your OP to the message,
I think Rachael likes her job a LOT, and saw what happened to ED
when he started actually reporting on how Bernie's candidacy is
quickly becoming seriously problematic for Hillary & 3rd Way Dems.
Also, this is a total two-fer for Rachael and MSNBC to be able to
'expose' how badly FOX has meddled in the GOP's Primary process.
That said, I also find it damn annoying, to the point where I turn it
off or change channels and come back to see if her next segment is
anything worthwhile.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)msongs
(67,421 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)Britain and France flinging insults at each other about immigrants in Calais, blocking of Channel ports, economic problems in the Eurozone, the whole MessO'Potamia (as Jon Stewart used to call it), continued drought in the US West...
It's getting so I can get through Rachel and Lawrence in less than 15 minutes these days.
TeamPooka
(24,232 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I think that is why their ratings are dropping. Ed was the only one in the evening lineup that had a different perspective consistently. Now Chuck, the puppet idiot, Todd. Oh, please.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Have you heard?
There's going to be a debate. On Fox! Of the GOP candidates.
But there are a lot of them.
Here's a chart. See all of their faces? Let's add some colors to the chart, and, oh, let's remove some faces.
Now these faces, which are the GOP candidates, can't all fit on one stage for a debate.
And this is a problem because Fox is going to have a GOP candidate debate of ten candidates.
You see, if there are 17 candidates, and only 10 will be in the debate, then that means 7 won't be in the debate.
You see how that works? If you have 17 and you take away 10, and put those ten on a stage, then you have 7 left over.
Here to explain why 17 minus 10 is 7, is Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. They'll. be live here with us, when we come back.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Yeah, no shit, Rachel.
I think her weird excitement over it is weird.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Rick Santorum is really upset by this.
And tomorrow Huckabee might say something about how upset Santorum is, and then Trump will say something dreadful about Huckabee. OMG what will it be!
Oh, and here are the polls Fox used and here's how everything would be different if they used different polls and if Roger Ailes didn't miss one because he was having a boil on his ass lanced.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)Not even discussing issues unless it's crazy GOP position on social issues. It's like there is no Dem primary and we are just waiting on GOP to select their candidate.
One of the interesting thing Trump said was that he bought candidates like Hillary before and he knows how the game is played and called put all the politicians fundraising from the rich. Very interesting and true take but very little play in the corporate media
They tell us all the time how much each candidates raise like a game but rarely will you here them state how this is legalized bribery and how politicians are slaves to their donors.
moondust
(19,993 posts)Rhodes Scholarship, Doctorate from Oxford in politics. As such she probably enjoys digging into anything new/weird/absurd in politics.
left on green only
(1,484 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I understand why Fox (which I loathe) did what they did: They wanted a greater margin between the last two potential stage standers. As far as I could tell, she wasted a lot of time on nothing! Why not focus on TPP or some other really important issue!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I've ceased to be amused by the Republican "candidates."
madamesilverspurs
(15,806 posts)even if it's something I didn't want to know. And at my age, still learning is a good thing!
chillfactor
(7,577 posts)I enjoyed her program and that segment....
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)You'll get to see it again.
And again.
And again.
longship
(40,416 posts)An ideological news network, which has been operating as a partisan outlet has control of one of the two major political parties in the USA.
What is tedious is what FoxNews is doing and how they are trying to game a national election.
Rachel has it right. And she's the only one speaking out about it.
If you find it tedious, don't watch it. But caution, consider what one would think if MSNBC gamed Democratic debates like Fox has done.
Your concern is noted. And discarded.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)important. I smell Koch money behind Faux' decision-making process. I can't prove it, of course, but it's extremely disconcerting how Faux picked and chose the polls they used. They obviously cherry-picked the candidates, and I'm sure there was some nefarious reason behind it. I think Rachel is concerned that some power is manipulating the stage to showcase only their chosen ones and the obvious throw-aways who are there just for show.
On another note, not all viewers watch several programs all night. Most probably just tune in for one show; time is precious, and most folks don't have a lot of spare time. So, the producers program their shows to cater to those who is are there to catch the one show they have time for. CNN is notorious for running the same news stories all day, over and over. Faux, too. That's what you get with several 24/7 news programs. Repitition is bound to happen.
malaise
(269,093 posts)It's sad to watch but hardly unexpected.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)We are seeing the primary process of one party and its dynamics being hijacked by a television network.
That's not tedious, that's potentially undermining democracy as we know it. - Because it will solidify the make-belief news's hold over one party and its ideology, and no popular disagreement can influence that process.
It also solidiufies the role that big bucks are starting to play on that side of the spectre. It's bad enough that we have a choice between neo-conservatives and neo-liberals in most elections, but when we verge into a situation where the choice is between neo-liberals and top-down controlled neo-fascists who don't care about their constituancies at all...
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I try not to miss her show. I like her a lot and respect her enormously, but often I feel like I'm being treated like a child when she keeps saying the same thing over and over in slightly different ways. I know it isn't really her intent, but it feels like she doesn't trust that me, the viewer, will be able to grasp the point she is making if she doesn't keep hammering it into my dense skull. I do wish she would stop doing that.
Gothmog
(145,381 posts)Rachel actually made me feel a little sorry for Rick Perry because the RNC and Fox are screwing Perry