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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:03 AM Aug 2015

Uber Is Serving New York’s Outer Boroughs More Than Taxis Are

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/uber-is-serving-new-yorks-outer-boroughs-more-than-taxis-are/

The recent debate between Uber and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio over whether the ride-for-hire company was exacerbating Manhattan congestion was fueled by incomplete, misleading data. There was no way of knowing exactly where Uber cars and taxis pick up passengers, and so the city agreed to a study of Uber’s effects last month as part of its detente with the company.

Now, thanks in part to a Freedom of Information Law request, we have data. A lot of data: nearly 93 million trips taken by Uber and conventional taxis over a six-month period from April to September last year, including date, time and coordinates of the pickups. And while we can’t yet say whether Uber has exacerbated Manhattan congestion, the data we’ve analyzed shows that Uber has a point when it claims that it is doing a better job than taxis in serving the boroughs of New York City outside of Manhattan. Of the 4.4 million Uber rides for which the data shows a pickup location, 22 percent started outside of Manhattan, compared with just 14 percent of the 88.4 million yellow and green taxi rides.



The city, though, has a point when it says that most of Uber’s trips are in the city’s busiest areas. Uber’s Manhattan pickups were heavily concentrated in the part of the island south of 59th Street, just as taxi pickups are. In fact, 63 percent of all Uber rides in New York started in that area, which includes the midtown and downtown business districts, compared with 62 percent of all taxi pickups. (Taxis picked up a greater proportion of their riders in Manhattan north of 59th Street: 25 percent, compared with Uber’s 15 percent.)



The data shows just how much of the market for rides is concentrated in Manhattan south of 59th Street, home to less than 10 percent of the city’s inhabitants but the destination of most interborough commutes. It is also, though, the part of the city best-served by the subway and with the worst traffic congestion.
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Uber Is Serving New York’s Outer Boroughs More Than Taxis Are (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2015 OP
Do rides that include assaults, wrong destination, or an uninsured crash count? PSPS Aug 2015 #1
Sure, also for taxis Recursion Aug 2015 #2
Medallion Financial Corp owns about two thirds of NYC taxi medallions Recursion Aug 2015 #3
Uber partners with ALEC, a right-wing corporate lobby group. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #9
Uber and Lyft both left ALEC a year ago Recursion Aug 2015 #10
Uber is like a cancer philosslayer Aug 2015 #4
Because only local medallion owners should exploit drivers? Recursion Aug 2015 #5
Uber is affordable yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #6
Uber is only "affordable" because they break the law. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #11
Break the law? They absolutely do not yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #12
They do. NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #22
Uber is worse than Wal-Mart ericson00 Aug 2015 #17
Agreed Dwayne Hicks Aug 2015 #7
Who cares? They're hurting rich medallion owners, not drivers Recursion Aug 2015 #16
The medallion system is corrupt..... Adrahil Aug 2015 #19
Does the survey include the origins of the Uber driver? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #8
In terms of the traffic? Good question Recursion Aug 2015 #15
What about the livery cabs? brush Aug 2015 #13
Uber cars are livery cabs (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #14
Most of those converted to Ubet AngryAmish Aug 2015 #18
Uber & Lyft = scabs. Do you support workers rights or exploitation Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #20
Taxis have failed me multiple times. christx30 Oct 2015 #23
I grew up in the outer boroughs...indeed, in one of the neighborhoods highlighted in Chart 1 alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #21

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Sure, also for taxis
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:15 AM
Aug 2015

Taxi drivers also assault passengers, go to the wrong place, and let their insurance lapse and get into accidents.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Medallion Financial Corp owns about two thirds of NYC taxi medallions
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:18 AM
Aug 2015

And financed the purchase of most of the rest. Their stock is down more than 50% since 2013. Piss off rich people, and they find a way to astroturf.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Because only local medallion owners should exploit drivers?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:31 AM
Aug 2015

It's interesting to me that for all the talk of how little Uber drivers earn, nobody's ever been able to actually say they earn less than hack drivers.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. Uber is affordable
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:59 AM
Aug 2015

Taxi are ridiculously expensive. Long live Uber. Sorry a smart company is doing better then the has been. I say everyone needs to get with the times. I understand that it was a shame blockbuster didn't get with the times and are gone. Perhaps taxis can cut their prices in half and use technology like a cell phone app like uber does. This should be celebrated not condemned.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
11. Uber is only "affordable" because they break the law.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:36 AM
Aug 2015

Kind of like Walmart being "cheap" because they pay their employees crap wages and import low-quality garbage from China.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. Break the law? They absolutely do not
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:49 AM
Aug 2015

This is a company where a person with little to their name but a car can provide themselves a wonderful life. I think that in itself is worth having this company.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
22. They do.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:37 AM
Aug 2015

Someone with "Little to their name but a car" should not be providing taxi services unless they are licensed, insured, and regulated as a taxi service.

Uber doesn't want to play by the same rules that everyone else has to. (They are also anti-labor.)

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
17. Uber is worse than Wal-Mart
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:32 AM
Aug 2015

because with Wal-Mart, quite frankly, the labor isn't terribly skilled yet can have full-time work.

Uber is simply mass underemployment masquerading as a "job creator." They're also more dangerous to society, given how their drivers pass no tests, undergo no background checks, and you can't be full time with benefits; even that's possible with Wal Mart.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Who cares? They're hurting rich medallion owners, not drivers
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:59 AM
Aug 2015

People have this mental image of a cabbie owning his own cab and medallion, but that's not how it works just about anywhere anymore. Why do you care that it's a Silicon Valley company taking a cut rather than a local slumlord taxicab company taking a cut?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. The medallion system is corrupt.....
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:23 AM
Aug 2015

There is a lot to NOT like about Uber, but until the medallion system is scrapped, I think it provides a viable alternqtive to the corrupt and crappy taxi service.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
8. Does the survey include the origins of the Uber driver?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:18 AM
Aug 2015

Cabs have to start their day at a certain time and place at the cab yard. People picking up in their personal car are in a different situation.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. In terms of the traffic? Good question
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:33 AM
Aug 2015

I'd imagine very few of those cars are kept overnight in Manhattan, unlike the taxis.

brush

(53,871 posts)
13. What about the livery cabs?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:59 AM
Aug 2015

Are they still operating, as they used to serve the outer boroughs more than medallion cabs?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
20. Uber & Lyft = scabs. Do you support workers rights or exploitation
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:30 AM
Aug 2015

At least real taxi drivers in NY have a union and are treated like actual employees.

If you have an respect for organized labor and real workers rights you won't use Uber or Lyft.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
23. Taxis have failed me multiple times.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

One time, it was midnight, and 32 degrees. I had no ride home because my gloves were soaked and I wanted a ride, so I called a cab. Two hours later, the taxi still hadn't shown up. Called about 10 times checking on them. Finally called them and told them to screw themselves and walked 9 miles home.
If taxis could compete with services like Uber, they would be doing much better. But the service from the drivers just isn't there. The customers are demanding better service.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
21. I grew up in the outer boroughs...indeed, in one of the neighborhoods highlighted in Chart 1
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:46 AM
Aug 2015

This analysis is incomplete without an analysis of the car service pickups. Yellow cabs and street pickups have never been common in places like northeast Queens, but everybody uses car service, and there are cheap car service companies throughout the area. The same is true for most outer boroughs "cab" transport. It's a flawed analysis. Yellow cabs are for Manhattan and the airports. Neighborhood "cabs" you call the local car service place. Been that way for 40 years at least.

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