Two unconventional candidates for President in 2016: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump

[Cliff Arnebeck]

Last edited Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:46 AM - Edit history (4)

I recently said that Bernie Sanders was making all the other candidates in both major parties appear anemic. See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027068523

Donald Trump, however, is another exception. Roger Stone, Trump's former campaign manager, has observed that both Sanders and Trump are connecting with the voters because of their broadside criticisms of conventional politics, which the public recognizes is not working for them.

I did not know Roger Stone, so I listened to his C-Span presentation of his book arguing that President Lyndon Johnson was the principal beneficiary of, and person behind, the assassination of President Jack Kennedy. http://www.c-span.org/video/?316819-1/book-discussion-man-killed-kennedy From this presentation (without reading Stone's book) Stone appears to me to be popularizing the extraordinary scholarly work of James Douglass: JFK and the Unspeakable, but is still a serious student of American politics.

[elleng]

1. Hi, Cliff.

I hope you're well.

I'm supporting Martin O'Malley, and I hope you'll consider him. Read about him here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

He has explained his policies and set out PLANS to achieve them, something other candidates have not done, and he has significant executive experience as mayor and governor.

[Cliff Arnebeck]

2. Thanks, Ellen

I will definitely take a look.

[dennisdavid]

5. dont know

berny might not win

[Cliff Arnebeck]

8. Bernie is about transforming our political process

Bernie is trying to transform our political system. As he says, it is not about him, but rather about us achieving this through a movement to regain control of our government.

[elleng]

11. Thanks, Cliff.

Be well.

[madokie]

3. I really don't want to see Bernie Sanders and tRumps name used together in any fashion

Poppy bush is whose shoulders the assassination of Kennedy can be placed on, not LBJ

[Cliff Arnebeck]

10. Bernie Sanders standing head and shoulders above Donald Trump

Upon reflection, I think you are correct in asserting that Sanders and Trump do not belong together. Bernie Sanders is not disparaging other candidates. Donald Trump is disparaging the other candidates, as well as the media. Sanders and Trump are as different as night and day. Bernie is pursuing values that transcend himself. Donald is selling himself. Disparagement of other candidates is pretty conventional politics.

As to President Kennedy's assassination I think Allen Dulles, whom JFK had fired as Director of CIA, orchestrated it.

[ellenrr]

4. TOO unconventional

[dennisdavid]

6. Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders is the best

[sendero]

7. And they are doing well...

... because Americans are growing SICK of a government that can only help the 1%.

[Cliff Arnebeck]

9. You got the point

That is the point I was trying to make in my original post on Bernie and now in this revision. And, the point Roger Stone, Trump's former campaign manager, was making.