Carly Fiorina Against Vaccine Mandates: 'It Must Always Be The Parent's Choice'

[DonViejo]

Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina renewed the debate over childhood vaccinations Thursday in Iowa when she said that parents shouldn't be forced to vaccinate their kids against diseases like measles.

Whether or not vaccinations should be mandatory for children became one of the first litmus tests for 2016 presidential hopefuls after one of the biggest measles outbreaks in recent years spread during the winter from California's Disneyland into 14 states. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) was asked about the outbreak during an overseas trip and said he thought parents should have "some measure of choice" in vaccinating their kids; his office later tried to walk back that remark, but other prospective candidates quickly jumped in with their takes and the issue garnered headlines for weeks.

The former Hewlitt-Packard CEO's comments came at a town hall in Alden, Iowa, in response to a question from a woman who said she was a mother of five and was opposed to immunizing her children with any vaccines that were made using cells from "aborted babies," according to The Washington Post.

"When in doubt, it must always be the parent's choice," Fiorina responded, adding "We must protect religious liberty and someone's ability to practice their religion."

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[hobbit709]

1. Nothing like pandering to anyone that might be tempted to vote for you.

No matter how idiotic their beliefs are.

[still_one]

2. She is a dangerous person. She hurt a lot of people at HP. She is rabid anti-choice, and against

parental leave, so it is no surprise to me that these pseudo "Christians", have a problem with mandatory vaccinations.

[jonno99]

9. Just to play devils advocate - do you consider yourself "rabid anti-choice" when it comes

to a parents decision to vaccinate - or not?

Just asking...

[dsc]

11. there is a massive difference between abortion and vaccination

not getting your children vaccinated not only puts them in danger (and let's remember it isn't the children who are making this choice but the parents) but it also puts all the rest of the population in danger. Last I checked no existing children or adults have died due to people having abortions.

[H2O Man]

18. Well done.

[still_one]

12. Vaccinations have to do with PUBLIC HEALTH. Abortion is an issue of choice. Big difference

[jonno99]

16. "Abortion is an issue of choice" - Ok - but "choice" about what exactly? It is about

having control over YOUR BODY.

How many times have we made the obvious point that we don't want govt. involved in the choices we make about our bodies? That we want govt. to stay out of our bedrooms!

But - we don't mind then if the same govt. - that we don't want having control over our reproductive choices - has COMPLETE control over what they can inject into OUR BODIES and the bodies of our CHILDREN??!

I think it creates a bad precedent that we are not given the choice (google:Tuskegee syphilis experiment)

I'd much rather persuade folks that vaccinations are good and safe - rather than mandate YOU HAVE NO CHOICE - YOU WILL BE INJECTED.

Sorry - I don't like the sound of that - call me crazy...

[still_one]

22. "persuade folks that vaccinations are good and safe". If is proven science. I am NOT going to

argue with you.


Have a good day

[jonno99]

23. I'm not arguing against science - I'm arguing FOR choice. I can't imagine that you

are personally comfortable with the idea of submitting to the "DO IT BECAUSE I SAID SO - OR ELSE!" mentality. In fact, one of the hallmarks of progressivism is "question everything".

If the science is settled - great; inform and persuade. If you find some who are resistant to persuasion, then modify your argument accordingly. The alternative is coercion and force - which sound like right-wing tactics to me - no thanks.

My two cents. Have a good one...

[still_one]

27. I edited my post above. I am not pursing the virtues of public health with you. Have a good day

[jonno99]

32. I modified mine too - have a good one! nt

[still_one]

36. ok, I will take a look at it, thanks

[cali]

3. she just stepped in it

[Rex]

4. What a crackpot. She fits right in with the Clown car posse.

Do these folks not understand what the word 'disease' means? Are there any sane/intelligent republicans or is that just a myth?

[BlueJazz]

5. "vaccines that were made using cells from "aborted babies,"

Must be one of the members from the site we don't speak about.

[Javaman]

6. Oh carly, I hope you get a scorching case of shingles from an unvaccinated child.

it seems as if that's the only way these halfwit anti-vaxx morons learn.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Carly 'We need to take our country back...to the days of contagious epidemics' Fiorina. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. Carly Fiorina don't mandate paid leave let the economy/market fix it.

New mothers in the United States are often forced to go back to work just a few weeks after having babies. That happens because our federal government, unlike that of any other country in the developed world, offers no provision for paid maternity leave.

But no worries, everyone! Carly Fiorina has a solution. If the former Hewlett-Packard CEO is elected president, she’ll simply fix our economy, making it “so strong that employers are forced to compete for workers by offering better salaries, better leave policies, more time off, and good benefits,” she wrote on Thursday in a blog post for The Huffington Post.






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/carly-fiorina-paid-leave_55ccec50e4b0898c4886de6e

[MineralMan]

10. If I were a parent, my choice would be to keep your unvaccinated children

away from mine. I'd make that a law, too. Don't want to vaccinate your offspring? OK. Keep them in your house and away from other children. How's that?

[TBF]

13. Some parents are idiots -

and are not thinking about society as a whole. Sure there are some vaccines that only affect the child (HPV vaccine for young girls for example - we talked as a family and opted out of that one). Others are for very serious, contagious illnesses that we should all get to create a strong herd immunity (we opted in for all of those). Clearly Fiorina has not taken any science classes or chose to ignore the community as a whole (no surprise there - republicans are incredibly selfish).

[alarimer]

17. You are wrong about HPV, by the way.

It causes cancer! And not just in girls. It can cause genital warts and anal cancer, among other things. Cancer is a serious fucking disease. And the reason they are done to younger people is that the immune system needs time to build up the antibodies before sexual activity. But "ooh" icky sex vaccine!

http://www.cdc.gov/hpv/vaccine.html

[TBF]

21. "Wrong" in what sense? It is not a "herd immunity" drug -

it causes cancer in an individual. My husband and I read about it (and the side effects) and talked with our daughter about it. We decided to opt out. It is not required for public schools in Texas (and we complied with every vaccine the school wanted). We are not uneducated people - my husband has a PhD and I have a Master's.

You can take your condescending "advice" elsewhere.

[Marrah_G]

34. I wish I had had the HPV vaccine

It would have most likely saved me from having to have my cervix removed to avoid cancer.

[still_one]

28. cervical cancer to be specific, but we don't want to confuse anti-vexers with the facts

[TBF]

30. Not an anti-vaxer

this is the only one we've turned down & it's not required for school. We did all the others & Texas is strict because we're a border state.

But we don't want to confuse name-callers with facts ...

[still_one]

35. No, because it isn't airborne, that is why it isn't required. You make a good point about broad

based generalizations though, and you are quite correct in my over zealous verbiage, thanks for pointing that out.


However, unless there is a medical reason not for the standard vaccinations, such as measles, mumps, polio, etc., there is no scientific basis NOT for vaccinations.

Curious is Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B vaccine considered a standard vaccine in Texas?

As for HPV, it can be transmitted sexually, so I understand, why some parents don't see a need for it, and as with everything there are risks rewards.

There is an amazing story how the hpv vaccination came about, from the death of Henrietta Lacks, which is an extraordinary story which I recommend. The book is:

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks

You indicated that Texas is a border state, which I take as the reason why the standard vaccinations are even more important due to unvaccinated border crossings.

Probably the best example for vaccination success is small pox, which is now eradicated, therefore no need for small pox vaccinations, and they are no longer available. However, before vaccinations, small pox was a killer, and caused mass deaths throughout history. Ironically, because of the success with small pox, that is why there is a concern for it being used in germ warfare.

[TBF]

37. Standard vaccines in Texas (K-12)

Here is a pdf of the requirements: http://www.ennis.k12.tx.us/images/Departments/HealthServices/forms/6-14-2015-2016MinimumRequirementsK-12.pdf

I think there are still religious exemptions available in Texas for anti-vaxxers (which I think is a bad idea personally - herd immunity is extremely important).

Hepatitis A & B are required.

For me personally, I have a pediatrician for my daughter and also an OB-GYN who works with teens in my OB's office. She is going to have all the info she needs to stay safe (I know many people don't have luxuries like that and there are people who would not let their daughters have those services/education even if they were free and available).

Small Pox - I had that vaccine in 1968. I did have the Chicken Pox disease when I was little but my own kids were able to have vaccines for that one.

[still_one]

38. Hep a Andy are required here in California also. I had the small pox vaccine also, but it is

no longer given, and that is why it would be so dangerous as a weapon because kids aren't vaccinated for it. The small pox actually has a little more potential risk than other vaccines, so it would not be prudent to give it when it only exists in the laboratory

My daughter did have the HPV vaccine. It wasn't cheap at the time, and if I recall insurance didn't cover all of it at the time

Sounds like your daughter is fortunate to have you as a parent who pays attention

[DetlefK]

14. What about the parents of the kid your kid infects?

Do these parents have a choice?

[alarimer]

15. Republicans do not believe in the greater good.

Some things are better for society, regardless of what the individual thinks about it. That includes vaccines, which do not work unless some large percentage of the populations receives them. It's called "herd" immunity; she should google it; it's a real thing.

Republicans have no empathy and no sense of community.

[Johonny]

19. Is there any fringe group the GOP don't try to pander too?

The only people that lie more than the pro-life people are the Anti-vaccers. Good to see she's rolled them into one with this stance.

Getting vaccinated is a mainstream position.

[still_one]

31. They both subscribe to an anti-science paradigm.

[hatrack]

20. Damn, she's even more stupid than I thought . . .

And I thought she was pretty damned stupid.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. So, Carly is Pro-Choice?

Or, just pro-choice about some things.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

25. Once the child is born, fuck it

Parents have a right to do to it whatever they want.

[tabasco]

26. Friggin' loon

In other words, a typical republican candidate.

[gordianot]

29. Hoping she meets up with fellow loon Carson.

Of course someone would need to ask the question one of the few non loon positions that Carson has in his pocket.

[KamaAina]

33. Carly Fiorina Against Sending Kids To School: 'It Must Always Be The Parent's Choice'

Carly Fiorina Against Taking Sick Kids To Hospital: 'It Must Always Be The Parent's Choice'

and so on. It's only a matter of time.