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wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:34 AM Aug 2015

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Just a reminder!

"Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. "

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How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power (Original Post) wildbilln864 Aug 2015 OP
Prescott Bush's mentor, W. Averial Harriman, is the more intersing character Kaleva Aug 2015 #1
Interesting. Thanks. n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #2
this should be common knowledge here olddots Aug 2015 #3
indeed it should be but also... wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #4
It still is, but you can see the vast amount of dirty money flowing into our party Hydra Aug 2015 #5
People need to know this. n/t RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #6
Amen sunyasi Aug 2015 #8
Jeb Bush played a behind-the-scenes role in the Iran-Contra affair Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #7
A Strong Case to be Made that the Bush's Are the Most Treasonous Family in US History Chasstev365 Aug 2015 #9
Two Bush "presidencies" lied America into illegal wars on Iraq. Octafish Aug 2015 #18
Ding ding lark Aug 2015 #10
also in 1933 or 1934 he was involved in a coup to oust Roosevelt Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #11
Good for the Guardian navarth Aug 2015 #12
John LOFTUS documented the case. He served as Jimmy Carter's NAZI Hunter at DoJ. Octafish Aug 2015 #16
Where Was Poppy Bush True Blue American Aug 2015 #13
saddam foxface666 Aug 2015 #15
And that was reason enough True Blue American Aug 2015 #17
Rumours? The evidence is in the National Archives. jwirr Aug 2015 #14
The thought of another Bush in power, makes my skin crawl Oilwellian Aug 2015 #19
exactly! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #20
And there are many more Bush's currently being groomed to FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #21

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
1. Prescott Bush's mentor, W. Averial Harriman, is the more intersing character
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:49 AM
Aug 2015

"William Averell Harriman (November 15, 1891 – July 26, 1986) was an American Democratic Party politician, businessman, and diplomat. He was the son of railroad baron E. H. Harriman. He served as Secretary of Commerce under President Harry S. Truman and later as the 48th Governor of New York. He was a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1952, and again in 1956 when he was endorsed by President Truman but lost to Adlai Stevenson both times. Harriman served President Franklin D. Roosevelt as special envoy to Europe and served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union and U.S. Ambassador to Britain. He served in numerous U.S. diplomatic assignments in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. He was a core member of the group of foreign policy elders known as "The Wise Men"."

"Harriman's banking business was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen; who was a financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938. The Trading With the Enemy Act (enacted October 6, 1917)[5] classified any business transactions for profit with enemy nations illegal, and any funds or assets involved subject to seizure by the U.S. government. The declaration of war on the U.S. by Hitler led to the U.S. government order on October 20, 1942 to seize German interests in the U.S. which included Harriman's operations in New York City."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Averell_Harriman#War_seizures_controversy

 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
4. indeed it should be but also...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:42 AM
Aug 2015

needs to be common knowledge nation wide if the public is to be well informed so spread it around....

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. It still is, but you can see the vast amount of dirty money flowing into our party
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:46 AM
Aug 2015

Is pretty much watering down any semblance of right and wrong that may have existed there before.

The rest of us are wondering why the Bush Family hasn't all ended up in jail for treason or in the Hague for crimes against humanity.

sunyasi

(37 posts)
8. Amen
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:22 AM
Aug 2015

You should read the book "The Family" by Kitty Kelly. She documents the crimes of Prescott, George HW, and W in great detail. Drugs, Nazis, illicit use of gov't intelligence by an organized crime family. It will open your eyes.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. Jeb Bush played a behind-the-scenes role in the Iran-Contra affair
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:16 AM
Aug 2015

After working on his father's first failed presidential bid in 1980, Jeb Bush moved to Florida and joined a real estate company, the Codina Group. His political career began in earnest in 1984, when he was appointed chairman of the Dade County Republican Party.

However, his influence stretched beyond state borders. According to the Guardian, in 1985 Jeb Bush played a behind-the-scenes role in the Iran-Contra affair, acting "as a conduit on behalf of supporters of the Nicaraguan contras with his father, then the vice president, and helped arrange for International Medical Centers to provide free medical treatment for the contras."[33] He also gained popularity with the Cuban exile community through his years in Florida. Bush's ties with the community included serving on the Dade County Republican Party with Camilo Padreda, a former intelligence officer with the Batista dictatorship that was overthrown by Fidel Castro and who was later indicted for embezzlement.

t: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Bush_John_Ellis_Jeb#sthash.F6ve5CC9.dpuf


“Jeb Bush helped his father, then Director of the CIA, lay the groundwork for the future Reagan-Bush administration’s 1980s covert war against Nicaragua and leftist guerrillas in El Salvador by establishing banking and money laundering links between the CIA and the Medellin and Cali drug cartels.



Jeb’s friends in the Colombian cartels, particularly Medellin cartel boss Pablo Escobar, would help finance the Nicaraguan Contras in return for CIA-supplied weapons.

While in Venezuela, Jeb cleverly managed to hide the Colombian cartel’s drug revenues as oil industry revenues of “front” companies.

Texas Commerce Bank was the bank of choice for Latin American drug cartels. It was later discovered to have stashed $7 million in drug profits for the Gulf cartel of Mexico.”


Texas Commerce Bank, bought by Chemical Bank in 1987 and which is now part of J.P Morgan Chase, had the right pedigree to enable it to work closely with the CIA. In 1977, its board members included Lady Bird Johnson and the recently-defeated President Gerald Ford. In the 1980s, Kenneth Lay, who founded the CIA-connected Enron, became a board member of Texas Commerce Bank. Howard Hughes's CIA-linked Summa Corporation used Texas Commerce Bank to purchase a number of properties on the Las Vegas strip.


One of Jeb's close Miami associates was Cuban terrorist Orlando Bosch. Bosch was a key figure in the CIA's Operation Condor, which was an alliance of Latin American military dictatorships that targeted leftist leaders for assassination across international borders. Bosch helped carry out the October 1976 bombing of Cubana Airlines flight 455, which was en route from Barbados to Jamaica. All 73 passengers and crew were killed in the attack, including children and the Cuban fencing team.









http://www.independenceday.pro/?p=11471


Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
9. A Strong Case to be Made that the Bush's Are the Most Treasonous Family in US History
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:24 AM
Aug 2015

A Family Legacy of Secrets

1. The Nazi Dealings as stated above.
2. How about the planned Coup of FDR? Prescott was knee deep in that shit too.
3. How about CIA man George H. Walker Bush's strange phone call on November 22, 1963 in Texas that was like a denial when no one accused him of anything?
4. President's Bush's being head of that National Security Council that oversaw that Iran/Contra dealings.
5. The 2000 election where Florida Jeb's office systematically disenfranchised thousands of African America voters.
6. The Iraq War: Need I say more.
7. Karl Rove's family's Nazi past
8. Cheney and Rove's outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.


CAN ANYONE ADD ON?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Two Bush "presidencies" lied America into illegal wars on Iraq.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:50 PM
Aug 2015
1.) Poppy George Herbert Walker Bush, courtesy of Hill & Knowlton, back in 1991:



The Kuwait ambassador's daughter, committing perjury on behalf of the administration as she tells the US Congress she was a nurse at a Kuwaiti City hospital who saw the Iraqi soldiers take babies from their incubators and leave them on the cold, hard floor so they could steal the incubators for babes in Baghdad.

"If I wanted to lie, or if we wanted to lie, if we wanted to exaggerate, I wouldn't use my daughter to do so. I could easily buy other people to do it." -- Kuwait Ambassador


So, like Poppy like...



2.) Dim Son George W Bush, courtesy of Rendon Group and friends, of course...



The Man Who Sold the War

Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war

JAMES BAMFORD
Rolling Stone, Nov 17, 2005 4:25 PM

The road to war in Iraq led through many unlikely places. One of them was a chic hotel nestled among the strip bars and brothels that cater to foreigners in the town of Pattaya, on the Gulf of Thailand.

On December 17th, 2001, in a small room within the sound of the crashing tide, a CIA officer attached metal electrodes to the ring and index fingers of a man sitting pensively in a padded chair. The officer then stretched a black rubber tube, pleated like an accordion, around the man's chest and another across his abdomen. Finally, he slipped a thick cuff over the man's brachial artery, on the inside of his upper arm.

Strapped to the polygraph machine was Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a forty-three-year-old Iraqi who had fled his homeland in Kurdistan and was now determined to bring down Saddam Hussein. For hours, as thin mechanical styluses traced black lines on rolling graph paper, al-Haideri laid out an explosive tale. Answering yes and no to a series of questions, he insisted repeatedly that he was a civil engineer who had helped Saddam's men to secretly bury tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. The illegal arms, according to al-Haideri, were buried in subterranean wells, hidden in private villas, even stashed beneath the Saddam Hussein Hospital, the largest medical facility in Baghdad.

It was damning stuff -- just the kind of evidence the Bush administration was looking for. If the charges were true, they would offer the White House a compelling reason to invade Iraq and depose Saddam. That's why the Pentagon had flown a CIA polygraph expert to Pattaya: to question al-Haideri and confirm, once and for all, that Saddam was secretly stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

There was only one problem: It was all a lie. After a review of the sharp peaks and deep valleys on the polygraph chart, the intelligence officer concluded that al-Haideri had made up the entire story, apparently in the hopes of securing a visa.

The fabrication might have ended there, the tale of another political refugee trying to scheme his way to a better life. But just because the story wasn't true didn't mean it couldn't be put to good use. Al-Haideri, in fact, was the product of a clandestine operation -- part espionage, part PR campaign -- that had been set up and funded by the CIA and the Pentagon for the express purpose of selling the world a war. And the man who had long been in charge of the marketing was a secretive and mysterious creature of the Washington establishment named John Rendon.

Rendon is a man who fills a need that few people even know exists. Two months before al-Haideri took the lie-detector test, the Pentagon had secretly awarded him a $16 million contract to target Iraq and other adversaries with propaganda. One of the most powerful people in Washington, Rendon is a leader in the strategic field known as "perception management," manipulating information -- and, by extension, the news media -- to achieve the desired result. His firm, the Rendon Group, has made millions off government contracts since 1991, when it was hired by the CIA to help "create the conditions for the removal of Hussein from power." Working under this extraordinary transfer of secret authority, Rendon assembled a group of anti-Saddam militants, personally gave them their name -- the Iraqi National Congress -- and served as their media guru and "senior adviser" as they set out to engineer an uprising against Saddam. It was as if President John F. Kennedy had outsourced the Bay of Pigs operation to the advertising and public-relations firm of J. Walter Thompson.

CONTINUED...

http://crashrecovery.org/rendon/1.html



Gee. Where could they have inherited such a deep and abiding interest in Iraq's oil from?



To Preserve Peace Let’s Show Russians How Strong We Are

By Prescott Bush
U.S. Senator from Connecticut;
member of the Senate Armed Services Committee
The Reader’s Digest July 1959

MAN’S GREATEST danger, it is said, is ignorance. In a very real sense, the Soviet Union’s ignorance of our military strength may be the source of her gravest peril—and ours. Kaiser Wilhelm started World War I because he miscalculated Allied power. Hitler, mistakenly thinking he could blitz the world, launched World War II. Kruschev today lacks firsthand knowledge of our country; he may be given what others think he would like to hear—rather than an objective report on our actual military strength. Although it seems impossible that any sane person could start a war, we would be wise to take no chances.

Why not invite the Soviet high command to the United States for a conducted tour of our military might? We are bringing Russians to see our farms and factories, our scientific laboratories and research centers; we exchange dancers and musicians. Why not have their military leaders over for the most beneficial look of all? Our expressed policy, the aim and purpose of our entire defense system, is to deter the Kremlin from starting a war. What better way to deter than to show?

What we could show is nothing more nor less than the greatest military might ever assembled in the history of the world. If the Soviet high command could see what we have, they should be of our mind—that for them to start war today would be an act of insanity.

We could start in a Pentagon briefing room. There, with maps, globes, films and sound-projection equipment to help illustrate our points, we could give them a good hard look at the distribution of American power. Then we could fly the group to Mountain Home Air Force Base in Montana, where bombers of the Strategic Air Command are on 24-hour alert, many ready to take off within 15 minutes. We could see an awe-inspiring line of B-47’s, any one of which can, in a single mission, deliver explosive power equivalent to that of all the bombs dropped by all sides in World War II. We could invite the commander of the Soviet air force to ride in one of these planes, and see it refueled in the air, thus quietly demonstrating that, while most Soviet bombers would have to fly one-way missions, ours can strike any target in the world and return nonstop.

SNIP...

The demonstration at SAC should effectively dismiss from Soviet minds any speculation about the possibility of their gaining an advantage from all-out war any time soon. But we must face the fact that in a few years the Russians may be able to zero in our SAC bases with ballistic missiles. To drive this temptation out of their minds, we could show them other deterrents.

SNIP...

It’s fortunate for them that we want only peace with justice. Our entire record attests to that. We have no history of aggression, profess no desire for world domination, as do the Communists. Only by their continued menace have we been forced to take these measures for defense.

I ASK, “Why don’t we show the Russians many of these defense measures?” What I would not show them is any self-satisfaction on our part about the future, any slowing-up of plans to produce the new weapons which must inevitably take the place of the old ones. I believe we are in a continuing struggle to keep on top in this business of declaring war. I think that the Russians are never to be underrated.[font color="green"][font size="4"] I also believe that the Communists are master bluffers that they seek to put us off by arrogant threats to Berlin and to the peace of the far Pacific, and, while our people are preoccupied with these threats, they may try to take over Iraq as the Chinese Reds have conquered Tibet. [/font size][/font color]

CONTINUES…

The Reader’s Digest
July 1959 pp. 25-30



So. the oil is that big a deal. Explains why, when neither in 1990 or 2001 did Iraq represent a threat to the United States or its allies, let alone the U.N. and world peace, both Bushes initiated wars of choice by lying the nation into an illegal, immoral, unnecessary, disastrous -- and extremely profitable for the connected few -- wars of aggression.

So now, for just bringing this up, is un-Amerikan.



Federal Appeals Judge Compares People Who Say Bush Lied To Rise Of Nazis

A federal appeals judge wrote in a column published on Sunday that people who accuse former President George W. Bush of lying about the Iraq War are peddling myths like those that led to the rise of Hitler.

Laurence H. Silberman, a federal appellate judge appointed by President Ronald Reagan, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that the idea the Bush administration "lied us into Iraq" has gone from "antiwar slogan to journalistic fact."

"It is one thing to assert, then or now, that the Iraq war was ill-advised," he wrote. "It is quite another to make the horrendous charge that President Bush lied to or deceived the American people about the threat from Saddam."

After re-litigating the case for invading Iraq, Silberman wrote that the charge could have "potentially dire consequences."

"I am reminded of a similarly baseless accusation that helped the Nazis come to power in Germany: that the German army had not really lost World War I, that the soldiers instead had been 'stabbed in the back' by politicians," he wrote.

SOURCE: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/laurence-silberman-bush-lied-nazis



The good judge is less known for his work at the L'Enfant Plaza Hotel as a go-between the Reagan-Bush campaign to the Iranian emmissaries working to derail Jimmy Carter's chances of releasing the Iranian hostages before the election.



And that's where we're at, a small small world. Tightly held, like.

PS: Outstanding summation, yours, Chasstev365. I certainly very much appreciate DUers who are interested in discussing GOP/Bush/BFEE/War Party and their crimes against humanity.

lark

(23,105 posts)
10. Ding ding
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:35 AM
Aug 2015

His company's assets are seized because of trading with Nazis, but the owner isn't touched? Why the fuck is that? Even then, the 1%ers lead by a Bush had the country by the balls and broke laws with impunity. If it had been me or one of my family, we'd have rotted in jail forever. Only my family wouldn't have done anything like that because we care about our country, unlike the "me" only shrubs.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
12. Good for the Guardian
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:10 AM
Aug 2015

I'm glad to see our good Octafish's views given even more verification.

Know your BFEE.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. John LOFTUS documented the case. He served as Jimmy Carter's NAZI Hunter at DoJ.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

From what I can see, Loftus may have saved democracy. Not by arresting a bad person, per se, but by exposing the evil people do.



Bush/Nazi Link Continued

By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette
Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

Prescott Bush

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.

The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.

At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.

Denial and Deceit

While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.

All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.

Nevertheless, Livense, president of UBC, claimed to have no knowledge of such a relationship. “Strangely enough, (Livense) claims he does not know the actual ownership of the company,” states a government report.

H.D Pennington, manager of Brown Brothers Harriman and a director of UBC “for many years,” also lied to investigators about the secret and well-concealed relationship with Thyssen’s Dutch bank, according to the documents.

Investigators later reported that the company was “wholly owned” by Thyssen’s Dutch bank.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-continued/



Thank you, navarth! Your friendship means the world to me! Especially considering who holds the power and the loot.

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
13. Where Was Poppy Bush
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

When the Towers came down? In a business meeting with Saud's. Why was the Bin Laden family whisked out of town? While We were sitting in Daytona unable to get home?

Now, not for a moment am I suggesting the Bush family had anything to do with the Towers, but why did Bush great, kiss and hold hands with a Saudi Prince meanwhile attacking Iraq,the country that did nothing to us?

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
17. And that was reason enough
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:08 PM
Aug 2015

To go into Iraq after the killing of 3000 of our own by Saud's? Killing thousands of innocent people and 4500 of our own?

That was not why Bush went into Iraq. Such a poor,flimsy excuse to start a war with a whole country.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
19. The thought of another Bush in power, makes my skin crawl
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Aug 2015

Never forget what the Bush Crime Family has done to this country.

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