US consulate warns Americans to avoid TPP protest in NZ, prompting awesome response
Stay away from the Trans-Pacific Partnership protest taking place Saturday in New Zealand's largest city, the United States Consulate has warned its citizens.
The Auckland action is one of over 20 that organizers have planned as part of a national day of action against the controversial pending trade deal.
The Consulate's security message reads, in part: "Approximately 8,000 people are expected to attend the protest. We urge citizens to avoid the protest march route as even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational. We remind citizens to always exercise caution when in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations."
Greens trade spokesperson Russel Norman, who is taking part in the actions, told Radio New Zealand that such fears are unfounded.
[font size="4"]"I'd just say to the U.S. Embassy, Auckland isn't Ferguson and the police won't be shooting people," he said. "It'll be a peaceful demonstration, they should just relax and maybe they should come along—they might learn something."[/font] .............(more)
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/08/14/us-consulate-citizens-stay-away-new-zealand-tpp-protest
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I'm aware you think you're changing the world, but this is old hat.
This rates a 10 on the daft-o-meter
The day has officially arrived.
Anyone who has spent any time abroad, as you well know, is familiar with these notices. They're done to assist residents and travelers, not to shield them from "knowledge."
Cripes, if they really wanted to "fool" people in a "German" (pardon the slur, but it was mentioned already in this thread) way, they'd lie about the goal of the effort and say it was an ISIS/ISIL demonstration and forced recruitment exercise!
one wanted to paint with one of those broad brushes!
A nation is as big as the sum of its parts.
The company and its Hollerith machines enabled the fascists to tabulate census data and find out "who was who?" and "who did what?"and "who lives where?"
Oh. The IBM machines and the cards they used to process information also were used to find out "how many Jews?" and "where are they?"
IBM & "Death's Calculator"
by Edwin Black
EXCERPT...
When the Reich needed to mount a systematic campaign of Jewish economic disenfranchisement and later began the massive movement of European Jews out of their homes and into ghettos, once again, the task was so prodigious it called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed. When the Final Solution sought to efficiently transport Jews out of European ghettos along railroad lines and into death camps, with timing so precise the victims were able to walk right out of the boxcar and into a waiting gas chamber, the coordination was so complex a task, this too called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.
However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.
SNIP...
I was haunted by a question whose answer has long eluded historians. The Germans always had the lists of Jewish names. Suddenly, a squadron of grim-faced SS would burst into a city square and post a notice demanding those listed assemble the next day at the train station for deportation to the East. But how did the Nazis get the lists? For decades, no one has known. Few have asked.
The answer: IBM Germany's census operations and similar advanced people counting and registration technologies. IBM was founded in 1898 by German inventor Herman Hollerith as a census tabulating company. Census was its business. But when IBM Germany formed its philosophical and technologic alliance with Nazi Germany, census and registration took on a new mission. IBM Germany invented the racial census-listing not just religious affiliation, but bloodline going back generations. This was the Nazi data lust. Not just to count the Jews — but to identify them.
CONTINUED...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/gypibm.html
For me, one who's carried this knowledge most of my adult life, I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could fail to fathom where today's secret government and all its illegalities will head. As an American, I'd think it my right to ask. As a Democrat, I expect other people to respect me for asking it.
In every country in which I've resided, I've seen a version of that warning.
They all are written pretty much the same. The embassies/consulates are just not interested in either bailing people out of jail, having to do wellness visits for citizens IN jail, or shipping a body back home--it's work. So they do what they can to reduce their workload.
Trying to insist that they're being "German" -- like people who live abroad are morons who don't watch TV or read the local papers, and an advisory from the embassy is going to put them off or "silence" them, is petulant. I'm sure the Germans just love the slur, too 
If some idiot with a machine gun went into that protest and mowed down a few dozen people for whatever reason, and a few Americans were caught in the crossfire, the complaint would be "What's wrong with the embassy? Why didn't they WARN US citizens of potential for violence?"
Whatever they do, to some people, it's wrong. And that POV is tiresome. It sounds like a South Park caricature, frankly.
Because if you did, you would, rather than trying to play the "miss the point" game.
It's not about the embassy being "mean" to TPP.
I'm not the only one here who has told you that.
Yet you persist in framing this false characterization of the embassy in that fashion. The one making a mountain out of a boilerplate mole hill here isn't me--it's you.
You're just wrong on this one. I'll wager more people in or travelling to NZ are aware of this protest now than they ever would have been had the embassy shirked their duty. Their DUTY--no matter what the protest is about.
If that's what they are FOR, then why are you complaining about them issuing a notice about a demonstration? It's like you're objecting to them doing their doggone job.
s. m. h.
(represented by the State Department overseas, as they do) was censoring, keeping people in the dark, AND getting all GERMAN on people. Which makes no sense, really, because if they didn't want people to know, they'd be better off not giving them the time, the date, the place and the subject matter of a demonstration...! And, of course, the GERMAN slur, in this bad context, went over like a lead balloon as well. 
Here--your very words--not my "imagination:"
1. US Government doesn't want its citizens aware of what it's doing to them. Interesting.
Sounds so...so...German.
Two.....
TWO....
TWO insults in one!
Unless it was some other "Octafish" who made that comment?
I wonder why that is that you would try to change the subject and link to another 'Godwin' thread of yours? "First they came for Consortium News...?" That was 'epic'--but not in a good way.
It hasn't improved with a week's worth of age. 
You asked this question:
81. Where did I complain about them? Besides your imagination.
Show.
And I told you---showed you, with a cut/paste-- exactly you where you complained. In post One.
Maybe you should give the Germans a rest.
And DO make it a point to never check with the State Department or your nearest embassy/consulate for any reason if you travel abroad! Wouldn't want your beautiful mind to be polluted with any of that 'German' propaganda-information they might put out for OUTUS residents/travelers!
Intense for the irony-impaired;
for everyone else.
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They might feature cute cosplay girls singing anti-TPP songs
