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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:34 AM Aug 2015

Extinct tree grows anew from ancient jar of seeds unearthed by archaeologists

http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/extinct-tree-grows-anew-after-archaeologists-dig-ancient-seed-stockpile.html




For thousands of years, Judean date palm trees were one of the most recognizable and welcome sights for people living in the Middle East -- widely cultivated throughout the region for their sweet fruit, and for the cool shade they offered from the blazing desert sun.

From its founding some 3,000 years ago, to the dawn of the Common Era, the trees became a staple crop in the Kingdom of Judea, even garnering several shout-outs in the Old Testament. Judean palm trees would come to serve as one of the kingdom's chief symbols of good fortune; King David named his daughter, Tamar, after the plant's name in Hebrew.

By the time the Roman Empire sought to usurp control of the kingdom in 70 AD, broad forests of these trees flourished as a staple crop to the Judean economy -- a fact that made them a prime resource for the invading army to destroy. Sadly, around the year 500 AD, the once plentiful palm had been completely wiped out, driven to extinction for the sake of conquest.

In the centuries that followed, first-hand knowledge of the tree slipped from memory to legend. Up until recently, that is.
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Extinct tree grows anew from ancient jar of seeds unearthed by archaeologists (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2015 OP
Wait until they find out it eats people jberryhill Aug 2015 #1
Lol. I thought the same thing. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #2
The only thing that will stop it is Kudzu jberryhill Aug 2015 #9
Too bad rock Aug 2015 #26
I, for one, welcome our returning tree overlords Taitertots Aug 2015 #3
!! BlueJazz Aug 2015 #16
Feed me Seymour! progressoid Aug 2015 #27
And the tree is thinking to itself ... aggiesal Aug 2015 #33
Yeah, sad. senz Aug 2015 #41
There's another story about it linked on the page as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #4
I think this is fabulous news! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2015 #5
So amazing! I find this welcome and encouraging news. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #6
nice Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #7
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #8
Wonderful if they are capable of surviving a desert ecosystem, because Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #10
Similar to the date palms we had in the UAE and across the MENA region... this will add some new-old JCMach1 Aug 2015 #38
Re-seed the desert! n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #11
Wow ananda Aug 2015 #12
It couldn't really have been driven to extinction by the Romans, could it? Marr Aug 2015 #13
Climate change had a lot more to do with it Recursion Aug 2015 #14
That sounds more realisitic. Marr Aug 2015 #17
That was the Date Palm of Judea... Thor_MN Aug 2015 #22
Well the Romans did drive the Silphium plant to extinction nadine_mn Aug 2015 #30
No, the article just got that from an out-of-date Wikipedia reference muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #39
My name is Tammy which comes from Tamar ... and I knew it was the name of ALBliberal Aug 2015 #15
And Tamarind - the Indian Date has the same derivation. Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #18
Very Cool colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #19
Very cool! yardwork Aug 2015 #20
It's also possible the species died off due to a mass infestation of sorts. Right now in Europe and underahedgerow Aug 2015 #21
The Medjool date palm was wiped out by disease in Morocco ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #46
Similar to the fate of the American Chestnut NickB79 Aug 2015 #48
fascinating! stage left Aug 2015 #23
WOAH, but will it survive? n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #24
There are date palms in California, so it's not that fragile. senz Aug 2015 #43
Awesome. I hope they can successfully revive the species. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #25
A mental exercise PatrickforO Aug 2015 #28
Easy to imagine it happened that way. silverweb Aug 2015 #34
But the Romans continued to cultivate it, and so did others, for over a thousand years muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #40
Love it. Could have happened sorta like that. senz Aug 2015 #42
Here in Vegas I'm plucking palm tree sprouts in the yard.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #29
Can u imagine the market for its fruit? dembotoz Aug 2015 #31
Has Monsanto bought the seed rights yet? glinda Aug 2015 #32
Monsanto will make it extinct in five...four...three... valerief Aug 2015 #35
Climate Change is a Human Thing tecelote Aug 2015 #36
Let's hope ohheckyeah Aug 2015 #37
Hence the extreme importance of seed banks 4_TN_TITANS Aug 2015 #44
It's not nice to fool Mother Nature! OldSparky Aug 2015 #45
etinct .: somebody forgot to tell the tree :) allan01 Aug 2015 #47
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Wait until they find out it eats people
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:36 AM
Aug 2015

People had finally rid themselves of this dangerous man-eating tree hundreds of years ago, and now it has returned!
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
41. Yeah, sad.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

On the bright side, date palms are desert trees, so they should adjust okay. I don't even want to think about other tree species...

Baitball Blogger

(46,717 posts)
10. Wonderful if they are capable of surviving a desert ecosystem, because
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

they could serve as the marshland of the desert.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
38. Similar to the date palms we had in the UAE and across the MENA region... this will add some new-old
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

DNA for the tree population...

They can survive full-on desert as long as they get water... but they just need a minimal amount

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
13. It couldn't really have been driven to extinction by the Romans, could it?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:58 AM
Aug 2015

I mean, unless it was found exclusively in a domesticated variety. I don't see how an invading army could wipe out a viable, indigenous plant like that in the ancient world.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Climate change had a lot more to do with it
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:59 AM
Aug 2015

The late Roman Empire saw a warming period troublingly similar to our own.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
22. That was the Date Palm of Judea...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:22 PM
Aug 2015

OK, Monty Python aside, this seed sprouted in 2005, was transplanted from pot to soil in 2011 and produced pollen this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judean_date_palm

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
30. Well the Romans did drive the Silphium plant to extinction
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

the plant was used for birth control and was so popular they wiped it out.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
39. No, the article just got that from an out-of-date Wikipedia reference
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:22 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

It gives as its reference for that Wikipedia; but Wikipedia (now, at least; the article is 2 years old) says

Asaph Goor in his 21-page article History of the Date through the Ages in the Holy Land never mentions any such Roman devastation of the date palms, but rather cites numerous contemporary accounts attesting to the continuing extent of date cultivation through the Roman period. Goor only detects a decline in date cultivation through the period of Arab rule and especially during the Crusades, when he notes that the devastation of the region was particularly hard on the palm plantations. However, despite this, extensive cultivation persisted in Jericho and Zoara, until the agrarian economy collapsed around the 14th century. Goor attributes this final decline to a change in the climate, and quotes several later travelers to the area as to the rarity of date palms, including Pierre Belon, who in 1553 scoffed at the idea that the region could have ever produced the bounty of dates reported in ancient sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judean_date_palm


Oh, you know what the reference that Wikipedia has for "sometimes claimed that date growing as a commercial fruit export stopped at the end of 70 CE, when the Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans" was? A pastor who wanted to make a religious thing of it: http://www.follow-the-light.org/2010/03/extinct-judean-date-palm-grows-after.html

A cached version of a PDF of Goor's history, if you want to read it all: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8NPP6qjzL7YJ:rbedrosian.com/Gardens/Goor_1967_Date.pdf+&cd=17&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Or see p.267 of "Date Palm Genetic Resouces, Vol. 2", which points out that the Romans were very good for the expansion of ther Judean date palm cultivation, and its humbers gradually died out over several centuries.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lbu2BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA267&lpg=PA267

What did the Romans ever do for the date palm, eh?

ALBliberal

(2,342 posts)
15. My name is Tammy which comes from Tamar ... and I knew it was the name of
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:01 PM
Aug 2015

A judean tree. Hmmmm. Interesting to me on a personal level!

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
18. And Tamarind - the Indian Date has the same derivation.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:11 PM
Aug 2015

from Arabic: تمر هندي‎, romanized tamar hindi, "Indian date"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarind

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
21. It's also possible the species died off due to a mass infestation of sorts. Right now in Europe and
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:18 PM
Aug 2015

in the USA there are several different pests wiping out several species of Palm trees. Two of the most prevalent are a bacterium spread by birds (in So Cal) and in Southern Europe we've got a moth larvae that's killing off lots of Palms... It's so sad to see looooong tall brown trunks with nuffin on top. Just all trunk, no tree.

Treatment runs several hundred bucks a tree each year, and it's only preventative, they can't be saved once they're infested.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
46. The Medjool date palm was wiped out by disease in Morocco ...
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:19 AM
Aug 2015

only eleven healthy specimens, transplanted to Nevada, survived. Medjools were later re-introduced to Morocco, having established date cultivation in CA and other southwest US states. It was a tiny group of individuals responsible for their rescue:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/04/25/how-one-indian-couple-saved-fruit-kings-154535

A similar disaster befell the French vineyards in the 19th century. Grafting to American rootstocks provided the only remedy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
48. Similar to the fate of the American Chestnut
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:21 AM
Aug 2015

Until 1900, one in four hardwoods east of the Mississippi was a chestnut, outnumbering oaks, maples, and ash. Then chestnut blight was introduced from Asia, and within 50 years the species was effectively extinct except for specimens planted on the West Coast where blight never reached.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
28. A mental exercise
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:42 PM
Aug 2015

Let's go back in time in our mind's eye. We can imagine the people of Judea groaning under the weight of the Roman occupation. At night, a small group of Jews was returning to their village and spotted a smoldering orchard. The cursed Romans burning the date palms. For what?

As the group was passing it by, one member said, "Wait."

He walked through the still smoking trees and saw a part of a tree still living. Why it did not burn he could not guess. In its branches he saw two overripe dates. They were ripe, and on impulse, he took them and put them in his bag.

The next day, he went to see his Rabbi, and gave him the dates. The Rabbi removed the too-ripe fruit from the seeds and cleaned them, thinking that soon there would be no more date palms because of the Romans. Later that evening, he put the seeds in a small jar and went to the city walls. As he looked out across the once verdant hills, he saw nothing but charred stumps. At once he knew what to do.

A week later, he journeyed to Herod's palace and gave the seeds to his daughter, who was a servant there. That evening, after her duties were done, she went to a deserted part of the grounds where no one would see, and buried the jar as her father had asked.

That is foresight.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
34. Easy to imagine it happened that way.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:39 PM
Aug 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]You paint a very clear picture.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
31. Can u imagine the market for its fruit?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:22 PM
Aug 2015

Biblical fruit that Jesus ate
Extinct from pretty much his death....
Mentioned in the bible

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