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Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:24 PM Aug 2015

Will you rembember me when I am gone?

My name is Cordell Garrett. Some of you on democratic underground may know me, some of you may not know me. I am a published author under the pen name Robert James Winchester. i am a huge sci-fi fan as evident by the three books I have written so far. I am of a mixed race back ground. My great, great, grandfather was a white man, my father was black and my great, great grandmother was a Native American. I am very nervous and afraid to write this letter because of all the censorship of people of color going around. My intentions is to not inflame or upset anyone but I want you to understand the consequences of what will happen if you let your hatred of people of color take over. As Yoda once said about fear, “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” That being said, I like to pose a very serious question to those of you who hate me because I am black. I want to tell this story from two viewpoints, a white person who supports us and does not want us to vanish into history and the view point of the racist who gets offended at everything we represent. This is a post that I like to title, "Will you remember me when I am gone?"

The first part of this is from our Alley's point of view.

Imagine for one moment that you wake up in this brave new world. You are a white man or a white woman. You start your day out early in the morning. Maybe you are one of those physical fitness nuts that enjoys getting up in the morning. Going for a two mile run (god bless you for doing that, i never could) or maybe you like doing 100 sit ups and push-ups. You like to show everyone how touch and macho you are. Then you turn on the television. Every channel you see are people that look like you, white, some men, some women. But there are white.

You don't even notice that there aren't any people of color or you don't even notice their are no Asians, or Chinese, or Japanese people. But the main thing you start to notice right away is that there are no black people. On your way to work, everywhere you look there is nothing but white people. Only 24 hours earlier, you saw us walking about. You saw us playing basketball, you saw us debating the President on television. You see us arresting criminals or in some cases shooting them. But then all of a sudden we are gone. You know deep down in your heart something is wrong.

So being the curious mind you are, you start looking through the history books for any mention of people of color. The text books mind you are written to reflect that we never existed. That the human race is pure. The human race is white, just the way god intended. You know deep down inside of you that something is wrong. You go to another source to find information on us. Again, nothing but every bit of your memory is telling you that we did exist and someone is trying to suppress the world from finding out about us. So you go to some information brokers, they not only can provide you proof that we existed but proof that certain folks do not ever want to see black people again because in their minds, we are evil, we are the devil. Some people see us as the demon. No matter what you try to do to get people to remember us, you are stopped.

Now, let's take this from the racist view point. Twenty four hours ago you were part of a vast conspiracy to wipe out every person of color on Earth. You succeeded because the next day, we all disappeared. Our hopes, our dreams, our passions, the projects we were working on, the novels we were writing on were never finished because someone's hatred of us did not want us to continue. You wake up proud to be in a world where there are no people of color. You proudly go to work happy at what you accomplish until you hear our allies are trying to help us remember. Of course nothing is never enough for you, you got to even silence the ones trying to help us. You go on a never ending quest. You scour their social media accounts hunting them down and you succeed.

I know what you are thinking, this is a bad plot to a Saturday morning cartoon that I just wrote, but what I have written is exactly the future we are facing if we don't stop targeting people of color. My Democratic Underground friends, what people like me face is the cold harsh and I would go so far to say hard reality that people like me face every day. We face the reality that we could go somewhere and do what you guys take for granted every day and not come home.

When we are killed by the police or killed by the klan and yes the Klan wants people of color dead. They have already threatened us publicly and on social media, but make no mistake they want us dead. How will you remember us? Now, I am a big guy, I am 5'11 and I weigh 300 pounds, I am a big guy. If I were to be shot and killed by police for doing nothing than minding my own business, how will you remember me? Will you fall into the trap that I know corporate media will write about me? Here is Cordell Garrett, shot and killed by police for doing nothing than just standing around watching a family member being beaten to death. Will you follow the narrative that will be written about me accusing me of being a criminal felon that police had every right to jump on me and beat my butt silly?

Will you jump on the narrative that says he was taking social security when he shouldn't have? He was getting paid social security every month. His fat butt was a drain on our resources, that money should go somewhere else. Will you jump on the narrative that accuses me of being on drugs even though some of my own parents were on drugs when they had me?

How about this for a narrative.

Should I meet my end at the police, would you remember me for the three novels I have published?
Would you remember me for the fourth novel I am working on my first crime novel that I'm super nervous about trying to publish?
Would you remember me as someone who just wanted a better life for himself that was tired of always having to get by and not enjoy life?
Would you remember me for trying to make people understand that even though i am a black man, I'm also a gay man who just recently got his rights to marry anyone he wants?

The point of this post is that myself, the people of the African American group, the Barrack Obama group, and the ones whose voice you have silence are not your enemies. Many of you will never know the pain, the fear people of color face every day when we get up, you'll never have to worry being killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time around police. You will never have people talk about you how good you have it because you are not black.

In closing, let me just say and thank Democratic Underground for allowing me to be a member here. I know many of you won't get what I'm trying to say and that's fine. I can live with that. I also realize I may be offending someone who doesn't like what I have to say. I just want you all to think about what you are doing. Do you really want to run everyone of color and the ones who support us off Democratic Underground? Because what I just wrote in my little scenario is exactly what is going to happen if you keep silencing us. We are not doing this to make you feel inferior or anything like that, we are trying to get you to see things through our eyes.

Thank you and be blessed everyone, sorry I interrupted your Saturday.

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Will you rembember me when I am gone? (Original Post) Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 OP
Someone had to say it--and you said it so well.... MADem Aug 2015 #1
"...we are trying to get you to see things through our eyes." When I was wee, my mother taught me WinkyDink Aug 2015 #2
if you considered it from a white man's perspective though hfojvt Aug 2015 #16
Just so: Most women fear rape and death. You live in a nice bubble, though. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #28
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #43
Your female siblings should count themselves lucky. Women without fear do such things as helping a WinkyDink Aug 2015 #45
and Dahmer and Gacy hfojvt Aug 2015 #47
Oh, yes, the "MALES, TOO!" retort. Well, in any case, there are many naifs in this world. WinkyDink Aug 2015 #53
Kicking irisblue Aug 2015 #3
Thank you for this. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #4
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #5
Courageous and on target. brer cat Aug 2015 #6
A very welcome interruption.... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2015 #7
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #8
This hurts my heart .. ananda Aug 2015 #9
kick Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #10
Very good analysis. My family is a mixed race family. After reading this jwirr Aug 2015 #11
Some of us do understand, jwirr... Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #22
Ah, I forgot that and should not have as I have one little great grand jwirr Aug 2015 #24
To your Great Grandaughter... Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #25
I only hope I am enough. jwirr Aug 2015 #26
One person like you in my early life would have made a huge difference. Stay with her, Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #27
I would - of all my 11 great grand children she is the one who needs me jwirr Aug 2015 #30
Sobbing that the question is asked. Melinda Aug 2015 #12
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #13
seems like an odd little diatribe hfojvt Aug 2015 #14
hfojvt: Try visiting the DU:AA group. Just read quietly and observe. Don't comment for a long while... Hekate Aug 2015 #29
Yes. A subset of DUers seems hellbent on silencing dissenting voices from our A/A members Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #35
Brava Hekate. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #36
well I guess that is an example hfojvt Aug 2015 #56
Hillary certainly has nothing to do with it, as she and Sanders are not enemies. Hekate Aug 2015 #57
Your fellow man just asked for understanding and openness and this is how you respond? Quayblue Aug 2015 #40
yeah I was cringing at the tone myself, just now hfojvt Aug 2015 #48
quite frankly, it seems odd to you because you don't live it Quayblue Aug 2015 #54
bravo. " i cant stand fear for fears sake and stupidity for stupiditys sake ". allan01 Aug 2015 #15
K&R! octoberlib Aug 2015 #17
K & R Just because it should be. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2015 #18
I'm not sure I understand your fear. tavernier Aug 2015 #19
Cordell... Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #20
Middle age white guy viewpoint on this The Traveler Aug 2015 #21
I'll remember you madokie Aug 2015 #23
Kicking Hekate Aug 2015 #31
CR you are amazing! mcar Aug 2015 #32
I recognize your pain LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #33
You didn't interrupt Saturday at all. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #34
Well said. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #37
There are a number of us who love your heart and your talents. Take care, CR. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #38
Nice post! nt Logical Aug 2015 #39
K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #41
You're an asset to DU, Cordell. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #42
Excellent post! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #44
Thank you. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #46
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #49
I don't get this alerting mania artislife Aug 2015 #50
Nice. Number23 Aug 2015 #51
Excellent post. Thank you. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #52
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Aug 2015 #55
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
2. "...we are trying to get you to see things through our eyes." When I was wee, my mother taught me
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015

about "walking a mile in another's moccasins." It is WHY I became a Democrat. Democrats, REAL Democrats, try to do exactly as you wish.

Now, let me ask you this one:
"...you'll never have to worry being killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time"----Have you ever considered this from a WOMAN'S perspective?

From "The Gift of Fear":
“Most men fear getting laughed at or humiliated by a romantic prospect while most women fear rape and death.”
― Gavin de Becker, The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence

I don't mean to digress or obfuscate; I mean to point out that it is not easy to do as you wish.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
16. if you considered it from a white man's perspective though
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
Aug 2015

you'd also realize that ANY person could be killed by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The other day in this area a 21 year old guy was driving down the interstate when a tire came off a truck, flew across the median and into his windshield - killing him.

I am not sure if he was white, but even if he was, I am pretty sure that white skin would not have protected him any more than a Y chromosome did.

That line is hard to believe that MOST women fear rape and death. My sisters and nieces have had lots of boyfriends and that has never been an issue. My baby sister, eight years younger than me, used to go talk to these guys outside our house, in her little pj's, basically panties and a shirt, when she was like in the 8th grade, and I used to ask her "do you have any idea what you are doing?"

Although I suppose it is no different from the bikini my little sister used to wear. As a kid I was afraid to go swimming, afraid that bigger boys would beat me up or dunk me. My little sister had no such fear.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
45. Your female siblings should count themselves lucky. Women without fear do such things as helping a
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

Ted Bundy carry his books.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
47. and Dahmer and Gacy
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 04:58 PM
Aug 2015

killed a whole bunch of males too, didn't they?

But thankfully most people do NOT encounter serial killers.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,728 posts)
7. A very welcome interruption....
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:47 PM
Aug 2015

Well expressed, a delicious meal for thought.

I was raised in a closet racist family. Born in 1952 as I approached my teens living in Detroit, I recognized that fact. I just pissed me to no end.

How the hell could my friends be what you say they are I always asked my mom. I rebelled. I left the family, I just couldn't handle it anymore.

I feel the same as WinkyDink, this is why I'm a democrat. This why I favor the socialist bent. This is a real huge reason that I'm an atheist.

I would like to believe that I accept people for being themselves, just themselves. The wrapper makes no difference to me.

I thank you for your point of view, needed in these stupid times.

Love to read sci-fi, I would love to remember you as one of my favorite authors.
List the titles of your books, I want to check 'em out!
Peace!

ananda

(28,864 posts)
9. This hurts my heart ..
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:55 PM
Aug 2015

.. so much.

I hope this never comes to pass.

The fact that anyone would wish it to is just so heartbreaking.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Very good analysis. My family is a mixed race family. After reading this
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:02 PM
Aug 2015

I have one question. For those who cannot understand the entire idea of being black or Native or Hispanic or any other race, do they really have to understand it all in order to help? My girls did not understand fully what it meant to be part of a mixed race family when they married but that did not stop them from loving their husbands and they have raised their children understanding the danger and discrimination they faced.

I would agree that most Americans do not understand what is even happening. We are all so isolated. And that they need their eyes opened. But I do not think that anything we do will open their eyes all the way. You have to experience it to know what it is like to have your child walk out the door and wonder if s/he will ever come back. If they will be accepted at their school. If they can find a job. If they can live a normal life that we are all promise.

But I don't think that a full understanding is needed to want to help. I did not have to understand what life was like for the black people in the 60s to know that it was wrong. To want it changed. I am the kind of person that empathy goes a long way toward understanding. Empathy was very effective in the voters rights marches. I think that can be an effective tool today.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
22. Some of us do understand, jwirr...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

family scapegoats develop empathy for the underdogs, as we have always been one in this life...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. Ah, I forgot that and should not have as I have one little great grand
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

daughter who is her mothers scapegoat. I do everything in my power to let her know that she is my love and that I do not think she is bad.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
27. One person like you in my early life would have made a huge difference. Stay with her,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:35 PM
Aug 2015

hold her being in your hands and don't let go.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
14. seems like an odd little diatribe
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:32 PM
Aug 2015

actually a long one.

Who are these people trying to run black people off of DU? Can you give me some examples of how they operate? Are there dozens of them? Hundreds of them?

As for that strange fantasy, the fact is that I could kinda care less about black people - as a group. Just the same as I could care less about white people as a group. However, if I went to work on Thursday and C, a black co-worker was not there, of course I would want to know - what happened to C? And to a lesser extent D. I might wonder about Dr. M. Of course, Dr. M has not been at the last two Democratic meetings that I have attended (one last Saturday and one six months ago - and at the one six months ago I noted that our group was all white, and said to the group that that was a bad thing)

Point is, that I tend to care, really care, about people that I know, more than I do about random groups of strangers.

Again, even though it is coming from a black person (you) this time, I still find this notion to be strange - that you need to fear the cops. Angel Hooper was not killed by the cops. Neither was Ranisha Jones. Neither was Jalisa Reed.

And you might be wondering, unless you live in the KC area, just who those people are.

Or you may not care.

Yet we all know the names of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, the only little boys in New York, apparently. (a Simon and Garfunkel song - I got the chorus wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Only_Living_Boy_in_New_York)

If you, like Angel Hooper, go out to the 7-11 for some gum and do not come back, the odds are far, far higher that you were killed by the same type of people who killed her, and NOT that you were killed by the cops.

Yet for some reason, I am supposed to encourage you in your fear of spiders, or land sharks.

Amorian Hale, a name I could NOT remember - he didn't even have to leave his fucking home to get killed. http://www.kshb.com/news/crime/months-later-three-recent-drive-by-shootings-that-killed-children-remain-unsolved

But oh, watch out for the frumious bandercops.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
29. hfojvt: Try visiting the DU:AA group. Just read quietly and observe. Don't comment for a long while...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:50 PM
Aug 2015

Just let it sink in. DU, as a community, IS driving away and trying to silence our African American members. It is a very sad and unnecessary form of self-mutilation on the part of this community. There is a deep existential pain at not being heard.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
35. Yes. A subset of DUers seems hellbent on silencing dissenting voices from our A/A members
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:55 PM
Aug 2015

and while there seem to be several motivations for these action, the end result is that the African American community here is being marginalized.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
36. Brava Hekate.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:28 PM
Aug 2015
Just let it sink in. DU, as a community, IS driving away and trying to silence our African American members. It is a very sad and unnecessary form of self-mutilation on the part of this community.


Like cutting out the best part of you because you do not understand it and never care to listen.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
56. well I guess that is an example
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 06:54 PM
Aug 2015

Bravenak has been gone since August 8th. Here it is now August 17th and I hadn't even noticed.

But this tends to be a big fluid group so it is easier to NOT see people and not notice they are gone. Possible she was alert stalked. The admins would know.

There seems to be a sort of Blacks vs. Bernie supporters battle going on. I don't understand why that should be, but it sure seems like something Hillary would want.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
57. Hillary certainly has nothing to do with it, as she and Sanders are not enemies.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 07:23 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie's alleged supporters at DU unfortunately have a lot to do with the alienation our AA members are feeling -- some have stated that they initially would have been happy to vote for Bernie, but are backing away from their support and staying away from the Sanders Group because of the hostility and tone-deafness of its members.

The alert stalking is all too real. The Admins, unfortunately, are taking a hands-off approach to that and to the broken jury system.

Keep reading. Keep lurking. Refrain from commenting. You are on your way to learning something valuable.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
40. Your fellow man just asked for understanding and openness and this is how you respond?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:51 PM
Aug 2015

saying his diatribe is odd when he asked you to step in his shoes, even if only a few minutes...not the lifetime he has to live.

This entire post is disrespectful at the very least.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
48. yeah I was cringing at the tone myself, just now
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 05:18 PM
Aug 2015

But I do tend to get pissed off talking about the deaths of nine year old girls and three year old boys, even if they are strangers. Shit like that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Somebody tells me that from their shoes "I am afraid of getting killed by the cops" and I think that is nonsense. For every Mike Brown there are five or six Angel Hoopers. And Brown was NOT, unlike Hooper and Hale, an innocent black person. Brown would almost certainly still be alive today if when the cop said "please sir, get the fork out of the road" He had simply laughed and moved onto the sidewalk and then made some comment to his friend about how some people go trippin about ridiculous crap. Almost everybody who gets killed by the cops first made the decision to fight with the cops.

And well, that happens. If somebody posts a long essay that I find to be strange and misguided, am I supposed to pretend it is not?

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
54. quite frankly, it seems odd to you because you don't live it
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

And you haven't had the experiences Cordell had and probably never will.

what's funny is I DON'T think it's odd you think the way you do even if I don't agree with it. that's how privilege works. I just prepare for the reality that a lot of folks find black anger and fear unjustified.

and as far as the innocence/guilt of black corpses, I am not going to discuss that with you; if you are truly angered by these deaths, I would tend to think you have a plan to help fix it. I'm not seeing that with what you post here.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
15. bravo. " i cant stand fear for fears sake and stupidity for stupiditys sake ".
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:51 PM
Aug 2015

klatoo, the day the earth stood still. ( the classic black and white one , not the horrid remake )

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
19. I'm not sure I understand your fear.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

I work with people of color, many different colors and nationalities, in fact. My local shopping center has about an equal number of black, white and brown people, both shopping and working there. The restaurants in my town are both frequented and staffed by people of a variety of skin color. Same with our schools. The shows I watch on TV are both black and white and in color, pun intended. Our president is black. My grandson is dating a gorgeous little girl of mixed race, but that won't last because she is much smarter and more mature, and soon she will realize that. I don't think that you are on the endangered species list.

I don't mean to make light, because racism is a real and ugly thing. But there are many communities like mine where people of all races and ethnic groups live and coexist and are decent and helpful and friendly. I hope you find one of these soon.


Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
20. Cordell...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:28 PM
Aug 2015


You are valued. You are honored. You are cared about. You are dignified. I say this for all people of color.

Love, Unity and Peace.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
21. Middle age white guy viewpoint on this
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:29 PM
Aug 2015

Very well written. Very on point. I am going to look for your novels because I now want to read them.

Please keep speaking out! Silence on ths matter is deadly.

Trav

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
33. I recognize your pain
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:03 PM
Aug 2015

I believe you and accept how how feel because of your experience as a black person. I was so shocked and appalled when cases like Eric Garner's death in New York, even after a video showed an officer using an illegal choke hold, was dismissed.

But...I do not understand why you would address this to your fellow DUers. You may accuse me of looking at DU through white coloured glasses, but if there were anyplace on the internet where you could find a collection of people of every ethnic, racial origin that support your concerns and empathize with you, and even attend rallies and write letters to reps...it is here.

You write:

"Will you fall into the trap that I know corporate media will write about me? Here is Cordell Garrett, shot and killed by police for doing nothing than just standing around watching a family member being beaten to death. Will you follow the narrative that will be written about me accusing me of being a criminal felon that police had every right to jump on me and beat my butt silly?

Will you jump on the narrative that says he was taking social security when he shouldn't have? He was getting paid social security every month. His fat butt was a drain on our resources, that money should go somewhere else. Will you jump on the narrative that accuses me of being on drugs even though some of my own parents were on drugs when they had me?
…………………

The point of this post is that myself, the people of the African American group, the Barrack Obama group, and the ones whose voice you have silence are not your enemies."



In answer...No, most all of us would NOT fall into that trap. It may be presumptuous to say that, but this is the place where you will find the most broad support for minority rights than most any other forum. You will find people who are, dare I say, more informed, more sympathetic to the systematic racism that still exists.

I do not understand what you mean by "..the ones whose voice you have silence(d) are not your enemies." Where are your voices silenced on here? My only guess, and forgive me if I am wrong, is this is about the incident about the woman and her cohorts that represented BLM that interrupted Bernie in Seattle. And the negative response to her afterwards from especially Bernie supporters. I too don't understand why she would go after one of the hardest workers in the Senate for social justice. And all that turned into a huge distorted Fox News level of catapulting fake outrage. I still do not understand why it is wrong for Bernie to have a platform to help ALL those who are minorities, disadvantaged, etc.. through economic and justice system reforms. Simply demanding the police behave themselves, or taking away their military toys, and only focusing the incidents that involve White cops shooting Black citizens is great, but its only a bandaid solution. And would not last. Bernie knows that the only way to create a permanent solution is to help lift up those that slip through the cracks, and reform our justice system that views all equal, but some more equal than others, which would naturally include many from the black community because of systematic racism. This is a much more sustainable solution.

But this approach has been somehow twisted into he is dismissing the concerns of BLM and the black community in general. When in fact it is the most productive solution. But more than that, even though prominent members of the black community have denounced Marissa Johnson's actions and question her motives, it is somehow taken as an attack or an attempt to "silence" those from the black community if she is not supported by those she blindly insults.

https://www.change.org/p/blm-activists-want-the-women-who-interrupted-bernie-sanders-to-apologize-to-him?recruiter=358375400%20%20on%20change.org

This petition, created by #BlackLivesMatter activists, demands that Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford publicly apologize to Bernie Sanders.




Anyways I support all the aims of BLM. And criticizing the motives and tactics of one ex-Palin supporter, who has more loyalty to the more radical organization outsideagitators206, does nothing to diminish that. In fact the reason why she was rightly criticized, even by those within BLM, is that she is damaging the movement. And I for one do not want that. You write about falling into a trap. I see a trap of listening only to the loud voices of those that want to build a wedge in the progressive community between different races, and espouse the belief that ALL whites are the enemy. We must work together, not against each other.



sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
37. Well said.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:36 PM
Aug 2015

Thank you for doing it so well. It needs to be stated over and over.

You once called me your sister. So here is a for my brother.

KnR!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
42. You're an asset to DU, Cordell.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 06:17 AM
Aug 2015

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. In response, let me just say that I don't know if anyone is alert-stalking black DUers -- maybe so, maybe not. I very rarely alert on anybody.

Not that anybody cares what I'd prefer, as it isn't up to me, but the only people I'd like to see the back of on DU are those who are consistently and deliberately abusive to others, via a number of commonly seen tactics around here. Just as one pertinent example, one of those who I have found to be so, from my interactions in the past and observations of the exact same thing with others, is someone who is highly revered in the AA group.

As Skinner always says about posting and juries "you take your chances"... meaning one jury may hide what another doesn't; it may be ok to say a given thing today but not tomorrow. I will say that there are more hides now since we went to a 7-person jury. Many of the 4-3 hides would have been a tie before, and ties were not hidden. Many of us were opposed to that change, but so be it.

But returning to the case in hand, that poster in the AA group that I was referring to chose to be nasty to others, and now if some are following them around and alerting on posts that aren't actually objectionable in themselves because of past interactions, well the choice was made to be that way and chickens come home to roost. It may well be that poster has simply pissed a lot of people off, and they are individually alerting on those posts -- it doesn't necessarily need to be a coordinated effort.

There is a prevalent mindset these days (case in point the BLM Sanders event) that being a member of a minority group (the same thing occurs in some others here too) entitles someone to be as nasty as they please to others, and it's A-ok. Sorry, I don't buy that. We have had lots of discussions here over the years going round and round the tree, trying to get these people to clean up their act, but they always insist that they are entitled to act that way. Yes, they state that outright.

I don't interact with any of that type of person anymore. I prefer to remove the oxygen from the fire so to speak. Others may react differently, I don't know about that.

But the point is, being nasty to people will not make them like you or support you. Some here just can't get that through their heads, and insist on continuing that behavior, simply SHIFTING the blame for not being liked or supported onto those they are being abusive to. That makes it 10 times worse. It's a sneaky type of slander blackmail and it's bullshit. A bad reaction to that is not very surprising. It has nothing to do with race or misogyny or homophobia or any other group identity (not that those things don't exist too), it has to do with people feeling entitled to bully others.

I don't care what color bullies are, I don't like them. I just wanted you to know what may be going on here, since you took the trouble to write your thoughts about it.

I wish you the best, Cordell, and enjoy your writing.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
46. Thank you.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

Please keep speaking. Some of us get it. I won't go into the moment that woke me up but I do understand how clueless most of us are. We need your voice.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
50. I don't get this alerting mania
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 01:17 AM
Aug 2015

I have never alerted, will never alert. I won't ignore posters, either. I will trash threads and choose not to read some threads but you know, this is the internet. No one can really hurt you, so I wonder why posters choose to go after people. I think we should have a set number of alerts and that's it when we are done.

On to your post, I am half Native/Mexican and Irish. It isn't the same as being Black in this country, but it is other. It is so important to have voices that live the issues to inform us. Whether it is BLM or water rights wars in California. We need to listen and learn from each other. I have a candidate, and I get excited sometimes but I try to remember there is a living breathing human behind the words written on this site. We have a huge job that has to be done NOW and we need all the people we can muster to get to work!

So thank you for this post.

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