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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:31 AM Aug 2015

ISIS executes gay men by throwing them from a rooftop in Syria

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES
15 AUG 2015 AT 19:31 ET

August 15, 2015
Erica Pishdadian
Posted with permission from International Business Times

The Islamic State group (ISIS) released a new video Friday showing the execution of two men suspected of being gay. The men were thrown from a roof and then stoned to death by a crowd waiting below.

The video, which reportedly takes place in Homs, Syria, is more than six minutes long. It shows a masked ISIS militant reading the “charges” against the two men to an audience lining the street, before the two men are led blindfolded across the roof. The video then shows the men being tossed from it — ISIS’ regular method of execution for those suspected or proven to be homosexual. Although the moment of impact is not included, the crowd is shown surging forward to stone the men after they hit the ground.

The bodies are then removed and washed in accordance with Islamic burial traditions, before being wrapped in white shrouds and placed in unmarked graves.

The title of the video is “But Who Is Better Than God In Judgement: Establishing a Limit Upon the People of Lut – Wilayat Homs,” or “State of Homs,” according to Heavy.com.

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ISIS executes gay men by throwing them from a rooftop in Syria (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
Psychopaths n/t etherealtruth Aug 2015 #1
These guys are a perpetual atrocity exhibition. What do we do about it? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #2
Stand back and shed a tear FrodosPet Aug 2015 #3
Would you have opposed bombing the railroad lines to Auschwitz? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #13
All that would have done is antagonize the Germans FrodosPet Aug 2015 #14
Sarcasm really doesn't help here leftynyc Aug 2015 #28
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #4
WTF? smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #10
Wow! Change has come Aug 2015 #15
yes, extremist Islam is immune to all criticism ericson00 Aug 2015 #21
How many of these murdering ISIS bigots nilesobek Aug 2015 #5
It's okay because melman Aug 2015 #6
I'm glad to see that leftynyc Aug 2015 #29
Unpossible Matrosov Aug 2015 #7
have you really seen someone post that "all Muslims are perfectly tolerant and understanding"? DrDan Aug 2015 #8
Really, people here told you "all" Muslims are perfect? DirkGently Aug 2015 #9
you said it perfectly ericson00 Aug 2015 #22
I think we are talking about ISIS here and not all Muslims. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #11
yeah, we're supposed to be all tolerant and understanding of "deeply held religious beliefs", right? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #12
Apparently so (see above). Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #16
There are a few posts upthread that I think are being deliberately facetious. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #17
Perhaps. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #19
it seems a jury agreed with you! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #25
A nice little surprise to be certain. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #27
No, were supposed to say: romanic Aug 2015 #18
I think people who believe they have an invisible friend in the sky who tells them what to do Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #20
Agreed on all points. romanic Aug 2015 #23
well, let me clarify, because at least for me that's not what I'm after. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #24
What if someone has an invisible friend in the sky that says this is an affront to humanity? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #30
Come now, religion, as always, has nothing to do with this whatthehey Aug 2015 #31
Disgusting! nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #26
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
2. These guys are a perpetual atrocity exhibition. What do we do about it?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:29 PM
Aug 2015

There doesn't seem to be any good answer.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
3. Stand back and shed a tear
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
Aug 2015

Beyond that, every possible action makes us look bad and creates more terrorists.

When the people there have had enough, they will throw off the oppressors. But THEY have to do it.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. All that would have done is antagonize the Germans
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:11 PM
Aug 2015

And it would have ended up creating more Nazi terrorists.

Hence, we should never take any military action, or proffer any military threat, regardless of who is left suffering and dying. Because it makes people mad and turns them into terrorists.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. Sarcasm really doesn't help here
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 04:46 AM
Aug 2015

These are REAL problems with people dying TODAY. If you can't take it seriously, please take it to the lounge.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. WTF?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:55 PM
Aug 2015

Are you serious? Did you forget the sarcasm tag or something? These are human rights abuses. You don't just "let them be".

Change has come

(2,372 posts)
15. Wow!
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:22 AM
Aug 2015

You are comfortable dropping this piece of shit opinion in the DU punch bowl?

I'm ignoring you as of now. I hope you're banned from here soon.

Just let them be?

Kiss my ass!

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
5. How many of these murdering ISIS bigots
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:58 PM
Aug 2015

got money and arms funneled to them through the USA and KSA?

Is this what I work 65 hrs a workweek to help pay for? Another "Sunni insurgency, because Assad is evil and all that stuff."

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
6. It's okay because
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 01:41 PM
Aug 2015

Abrahamic blah blah...

LDS blah blah....

Catholic priests blah blah..

something said by some whacked out pastor in Nowheresville, Wherever...


Bush and Cheney

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. I'm glad to see that
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 04:47 AM
Aug 2015

moral relativism is getting the scorn and disgust it deserves. It's been far to prevalent on DU for many years.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
7. Unpossible
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:29 PM
Aug 2015

I've learned on DU that all Muslims are perfectly tolerant and understanding human beings, and if there is the impossible chance that some may have committed crimes against homosexuals and women, those crimes are legitimized by the fact that Christians and Jews have committed those same crimes a thousand fold. If you do not believe in this, you must be a racist, conservative bigot.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
8. have you really seen someone post that "all Muslims are perfectly tolerant and understanding"?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

If so, please post a link.

perhaps it is more like "in general, Muslims are tolerant and understanding".

I say this as someone who has lived in the ME for 4 years and have many friends from there.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. Really, people here told you "all" Muslims are perfect?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

Because normally, when people talk about rightwing bigotry vs. Muslims, it has to do with them using ISIS or whatever as evidence that "all" Muslims are suspect or that their religion is somehow inferior to another one, like Christianity, which is of course utter bullshit.

More likely, people were pointing out to you a common idiocy that actually does constitute racist rightwing bigotry, which is the myth of "outgroup homogeneity."

That's where someone suggests or implies that when people of a group outside their own do something bad -- like ISIS Muslims -- it says something about "all" of that group, like Muslims in the U.S., who as we know are not throwing gay people off rooftops, or at least certainly much less than Christians.

Those same people, weirdly, think that anecdotal evidence of bad behavior by their "own" group, like, say, the Christian Crusades, or the KKK, or the Army of God nutwads that are still trying to kill abortion doctors in the name of "Jesus," are just that -- anecdotes -- and therefore don't say anything about the larger group or "all of them" at all.

Hope this helps.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I think we are talking about ISIS here and not all Muslims.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015

I was not aware the two were synonymous.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. yeah, we're supposed to be all tolerant and understanding of "deeply held religious beliefs", right?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

Sorry, fuck that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. There are a few posts upthread that I think are being deliberately facetious.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:56 AM
Aug 2015

I cannot believe they're being serious, so at least there's that. One hopes!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. it seems a jury agreed with you!
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 03:43 AM
Aug 2015

Damn, man.

I try to give everyone the BOTD but..... maybe I'm just too nice, giving em too much credit.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
27. A nice little surprise to be certain.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 04:31 AM
Aug 2015

Sometimes BOTD is a good thing, but there are times when people really lay it on the line. It is telling the difference which is a chore. Thankfully, you niceness balances my suspicions.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. I think people who believe they have an invisible friend in the sky who tells them what to do
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 03:06 AM
Aug 2015

Are exhibiting classic signs of mental illness, personally.

And.... I dont really care what the friend's name is supposed to be, or what language he speaks.

That said, no, no amount of bullshit by christian fundies can be floated to somehow excuse this sort of shit. Conversely, the fact that these people are clearly way worse, doesn't let christian fundies off the hook for their right wing fuckhattery, either.

It'd be great, to my mind, to examime the larger contexts that some of this stuff occurs in - like, religious mania versus skeptical, critical thinking, for starts- but I'm also perfectly happy to call this out simply for what it is, a despicable human rights atrocity driven by a massively fucked up ideology.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. well, let me clarify, because at least for me that's not what I'm after.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 03:29 AM
Aug 2015

I'm not interested in telling people what to think- beyond, say, okay, if what someone thinks means they have to toss gay people off buildings, yes, there is a problematic conflict between their personal beliefs and the interest of humanity at large. Or to put it another way, they're making the shit inside their head become other peoples' problem.

I am interested in the idea of helping people be better at thinking, in general- critical thinking skills, like I said, as well as an element of questioning all deeply held notions (even the notion that deeply held notions should be questioned) acknowledging that belief is a tool which can be used to achieve certain mental states or personal ends but at the same time not making the mistake of attaching the notion of permanent, transcendent, objective "reality" to any transitory thought-constructs or abstract ideas, as useful (or not) as they may be temporarily, or in passing.

If you think about computers and software- fuck, anyone trying to run windows 95 on a modern machine would run into problems (and no, I don't want to debate linux vs. M$FT vs Apple OS, etc ) ... right? Okay, but with religion- particularly in its more rigid, dogmatic interpretations, you're talking about people running "software" on their brains that is 1500, 2000 years old, etc. And..... trying to use that code to function in our modern world.

(Certainly, I believe there are more flexible, open-ended ideas encoded in some older belief systems; a few in the western monotheisms, but really to my mind it is stuff like elements of Buddhist thought, Zen Koans and the like or even moreso the Tao Te Ching-- which hold up because they are open-ended to interpretation, like a poem or a song, instead of a rigidly defined set of rules and incomprehensible, often contradictory moral codes and stories.)

So anyway, no, people trying to run millennia-old scripts are gonna have a fuckton of trouble existing in modern reality. And these sorts of belief systems themselves may have historically gone through a natural aging process. I've long thought that one problem Fundamentalist Islam has is, age-wise Islam is just about 1400 years old, right? Which puts it smack dab at "Spanish Inquisition" age. The parallels are pretty stark, in terms of the rigidity, the dogma, the oppression, etc.

But no, I'm not interested in converting everyone to my brand of hippie-mystical taoist Atheism. If they get there on their own, great, but really I'd just be happy if those so inclined to dogmatic religious fundamentalism could leave other, unwilling participants out of their own private god-dramas.




whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
31. Come now, religion, as always, has nothing to do with this
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 09:25 AM
Aug 2015

These are just poor people trying to shake off the shackles of western colonialism, marginalization and poverty, without the benefit of Berkeley style liberalism to help them. Religion's immaterial. "God" in that video title is what one guy calls his cat that's all. Imagine thinking religion has anything to do with perpetuating bronze age social orthopraxy... tsk, tsk.

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