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INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES
15 AUG 2015 AT 19:31 ET
August 15, 2015
Erica Pishdadian
Posted with permission from International Business Times
The Islamic State group (ISIS) released a new video Friday showing the execution of two men suspected of being gay. The men were thrown from a roof and then stoned to death by a crowd waiting below.
The video, which reportedly takes place in Homs, Syria, is more than six minutes long. It shows a masked ISIS militant reading the charges against the two men to an audience lining the street, before the two men are led blindfolded across the roof. The video then shows the men being tossed from it ISIS regular method of execution for those suspected or proven to be homosexual. Although the moment of impact is not included, the crowd is shown surging forward to stone the men after they hit the ground.
The bodies are then removed and washed in accordance with Islamic burial traditions, before being wrapped in white shrouds and placed in unmarked graves.
The title of the video is But Who Is Better Than God In Judgement: Establishing a Limit Upon the People of Lut Wilayat Homs, or State of Homs, according to Heavy.com.
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etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)There doesn't seem to be any good answer.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Beyond that, every possible action makes us look bad and creates more terrorists.
When the people there have had enough, they will throw off the oppressors. But THEY have to do it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)And it would have ended up creating more Nazi terrorists.
Hence, we should never take any military action, or proffer any military threat, regardless of who is left suffering and dying. Because it makes people mad and turns them into terrorists.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)These are REAL problems with people dying TODAY. If you can't take it seriously, please take it to the lounge.
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Are you serious? Did you forget the sarcasm tag or something? These are human rights abuses. You don't just "let them be".
Change has come
(2,372 posts)You are comfortable dropping this piece of shit opinion in the DU punch bowl?
I'm ignoring you as of now. I hope you're banned from here soon.
Just let them be?
Kiss my ass!
ericson00
(2,707 posts)thats the stuff that makes the left look bad.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)got money and arms funneled to them through the USA and KSA?
Is this what I work 65 hrs a workweek to help pay for? Another "Sunni insurgency, because Assad is evil and all that stuff."
melman
(7,681 posts)Abrahamic blah blah...
LDS blah blah....
Catholic priests blah blah..
something said by some whacked out pastor in Nowheresville, Wherever...
Bush and Cheney
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)moral relativism is getting the scorn and disgust it deserves. It's been far to prevalent on DU for many years.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)I've learned on DU that all Muslims are perfectly tolerant and understanding human beings, and if there is the impossible chance that some may have committed crimes against homosexuals and women, those crimes are legitimized by the fact that Christians and Jews have committed those same crimes a thousand fold. If you do not believe in this, you must be a racist, conservative bigot.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)If so, please post a link.
perhaps it is more like "in general, Muslims are tolerant and understanding".
I say this as someone who has lived in the ME for 4 years and have many friends from there.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Because normally, when people talk about rightwing bigotry vs. Muslims, it has to do with them using ISIS or whatever as evidence that "all" Muslims are suspect or that their religion is somehow inferior to another one, like Christianity, which is of course utter bullshit.
More likely, people were pointing out to you a common idiocy that actually does constitute racist rightwing bigotry, which is the myth of "outgroup homogeneity."
That's where someone suggests or implies that when people of a group outside their own do something bad -- like ISIS Muslims -- it says something about "all" of that group, like Muslims in the U.S., who as we know are not throwing gay people off rooftops, or at least certainly much less than Christians.
Those same people, weirdly, think that anecdotal evidence of bad behavior by their "own" group, like, say, the Christian Crusades, or the KKK, or the Army of God nutwads that are still trying to kill abortion doctors in the name of "Jesus," are just that -- anecdotes -- and therefore don't say anything about the larger group or "all of them" at all.
Hope this helps.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)n/t
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I was not aware the two were synonymous.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Sorry, fuck that.
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)Certain people are expendable.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I cannot believe they're being serious, so at least there's that. One hopes!
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)I am not so sure though.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Damn, man.
I try to give everyone the BOTD but..... maybe I'm just too nice, giving em too much credit.
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)Sometimes BOTD is a good thing, but there are times when people really lay it on the line. It is telling the difference which is a chore. Thankfully, you niceness balances my suspicions.
romanic
(2,841 posts)"Christian fundies do the same thing!11!12121!" /sarcasm
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Are exhibiting classic signs of mental illness, personally.
And.... I dont really care what the friend's name is supposed to be, or what language he speaks.
That said, no, no amount of bullshit by christian fundies can be floated to somehow excuse this sort of shit. Conversely, the fact that these people are clearly way worse, doesn't let christian fundies off the hook for their right wing fuckhattery, either.
It'd be great, to my mind, to examime the larger contexts that some of this stuff occurs in - like, religious mania versus skeptical, critical thinking, for starts- but I'm also perfectly happy to call this out simply for what it is, a despicable human rights atrocity driven by a massively fucked up ideology.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Religion is a disease that needs to be cured.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm not interested in telling people what to think- beyond, say, okay, if what someone thinks means they have to toss gay people off buildings, yes, there is a problematic conflict between their personal beliefs and the interest of humanity at large. Or to put it another way, they're making the shit inside their head become other peoples' problem.
I am interested in the idea of helping people be better at thinking, in general- critical thinking skills, like I said, as well as an element of questioning all deeply held notions (even the notion that deeply held notions should be questioned) acknowledging that belief is a tool which can be used to achieve certain mental states or personal ends but at the same time not making the mistake of attaching the notion of permanent, transcendent, objective "reality" to any transitory thought-constructs or abstract ideas, as useful (or not) as they may be temporarily, or in passing.
If you think about computers and software- fuck, anyone trying to run windows 95 on a modern machine would run into problems (and no, I don't want to debate linux vs. M$FT vs Apple OS, etc ) ... right? Okay, but with religion- particularly in its more rigid, dogmatic interpretations, you're talking about people running "software" on their brains that is 1500, 2000 years old, etc. And..... trying to use that code to function in our modern world.
(Certainly, I believe there are more flexible, open-ended ideas encoded in some older belief systems; a few in the western monotheisms, but really to my mind it is stuff like elements of Buddhist thought, Zen Koans and the like or even moreso the Tao Te Ching-- which hold up because they are open-ended to interpretation, like a poem or a song, instead of a rigidly defined set of rules and incomprehensible, often contradictory moral codes and stories.)
So anyway, no, people trying to run millennia-old scripts are gonna have a fuckton of trouble existing in modern reality. And these sorts of belief systems themselves may have historically gone through a natural aging process. I've long thought that one problem Fundamentalist Islam has is, age-wise Islam is just about 1400 years old, right? Which puts it smack dab at "Spanish Inquisition" age. The parallels are pretty stark, in terms of the rigidity, the dogma, the oppression, etc.
But no, I'm not interested in converting everyone to my brand of hippie-mystical taoist Atheism. If they get there on their own, great, but really I'd just be happy if those so inclined to dogmatic religious fundamentalism could leave other, unwilling participants out of their own private god-dramas.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)These are just poor people trying to shake off the shackles of western colonialism, marginalization and poverty, without the benefit of Berkeley style liberalism to help them. Religion's immaterial. "God" in that video title is what one guy calls his cat that's all. Imagine thinking religion has anything to do with perpetuating bronze age social orthopraxy... tsk, tsk.