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alp227

(32,029 posts)
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:13 PM May 2012

(Dharun Ravi) In Rutgers Sentence, Advocates for Gay Rights Fear Excess

In the two months since he was found guilty of using a webcam to spy on his roommate, Dharun Ravi has gone from being a symbol of anti-gay bias to being something of a folk hero, with rallies of his supporters urging the court to “Free Dharun.”

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With Mr. Ravi set to be sentenced on Monday, many of them have argued against the jail sentence prosecutors have recommended. They say Mr. Ravi is being punished for the suicide of his roommate, Tyler Clementi, although he was not charged in it, and that pinning blame on him ignores the complicated social pressures that drive gay teenagers to kill themselves. As repugnant as his behavior was, they say, it was not the blatantly bigoted or threatening actions that typically define hate crimes. Some fear that a sentence that overreaches might provide tinder to anti-gay sentiment — a New Jersey talk radio host complained soon after the verdict of the “gay lobby” railroading Mr. Ravi.

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In an op-ed article in The Star-Ledger of Newark this month, Jim McGreevey, who resigned as governor after declaring himself “a gay American,” argued that Mr. Ravi’s conviction “showed how far we have traveled from the hateful, homophobic past.”

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Richard Kim, the executive editor of The Nation online, who wrote after Mr. Clementi’s suicide about his own experience growing up gay in New Jersey, said he was wary that expressing opposition to a prison sentence would make him appear to link hands with those who accuse gay men and lesbians of seeking “special treatment” with laws against bullying.

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Dan Savage, a gay columnist whose video campaign, “It Gets Better,” began in response to other suicides of gay teenagers just before Mr. Clementi jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge, argued that simply locking up Mr. Ravi was a lost opportunity to talk about the other institutions and people “complicit” in Mr. Clementi’s death.

full: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/nyregion/Some-Gay-Rights-Advocates-Question-Rutgers-Sentencing.html?pagewanted=all

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(Dharun Ravi) In Rutgers Sentence, Advocates for Gay Rights Fear Excess (Original Post) alp227 May 2012 OP
he was offered a plea deal of no Jail Time and only Community Service JI7 May 2012 #1
Obfuscation. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #3
More here. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #4
OUT Editor's Letter: Set Ravi Free by Aron Hicklin proverbialwisdom May 2012 #2
I am sick to death of hearing that this kid got a raw deal dsc May 2012 #5

JI7

(89,252 posts)
1. he was offered a plea deal of no Jail Time and only Community Service
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:16 PM
May 2012

how is that being railroaded. when he refused they went to trial instead and the jury convicted him. this isn't a case of prosecution refusing to offer anything other than the toughest they can get.

even now the prosecution said they don't want him to get maximum time in jail.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
3. Obfuscation.
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:37 PM
May 2012

Ravi declined to plead guilty to the "hate crime" charge because he was not guilty of that charge.

http://supportdharunravi.com/

Support Dharun Ravi

Know the facts - how the media and the muddled law convicted an 18 year old on Hate Crime Charges



http://blog.nj.com/njv_mark_diionno/2012/04/from_indian-american_community.html

From Indian-American community, a call for justice for Dharun RaMark Di Ionno/Star-Ledger Columnist

Published: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 9:30 AM Updated: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 4:11 PM
By Mark Di Ionno/Star-Ledger Columnist


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On Friday, Mehtani will open his Mirage banquet hall in Edison, the largest Indian catering hall in the state, to a growing force of Indian-Americans who have concerns about how the Ravi case was handled by the Middlesex County Prosecutor’s Office. They have also scheduled a rally outside the Statehouse on May 14, from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

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"We want to know why Dharun Ravi is charged with a hate crime, but the people charged with attacking an Indian family and beating the father to death are not," said Sandeep Sharma, a business partner of Ravi’s father, referring to the case of five Old Bridge teenagers charged with killing Divendyu Sinha in 2010. Sinha and his two teenage sons were punched repeatedly in an unprovoked attack, and the trial for one of the teens is now under way.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/tearful_widow_of_old_bridge_ma.html

On Tuesday morning, Ravi’s attorney Steve Altman, will file briefs seeking a new trial for Ravi, who was convicted on 15 counts of bias intimidation, privacy invasion, and related charges last month, and faces 10 years in state prison. The wide-ranging motion will claim the verdict went against the weight of evidence, and that the jury was not instructed to discount Clementi’s suicide as proof of intimidation.

The motion also cites pieces of evidence that may have shed light on Clementi’s suicide, which were withheld from the defense and ruled inadmissible. The defense will argue this evidence should have been turned over once it became known that the suicide was going to be mentioned during the trial.

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http://centraljersey.com/articles/2012/04/17/the_princeton_packet/your_views/doc4f7e074022246844376057.txt

Anjani Gharpure, Plainsboro
To the editor:

What everyone had read until recently was that Dharun Ravi, an 18-year-old recent graduate of WWP North class of 2010, a Rutgers freshman, secretly recorded his roommate, Tyler Clementi, while he was with another man and posted it on the Internet.

Now 19 months later, we know that nothing was ever recorded, and nothing was broadcast over the Internet. For the first time you will get to read and hear what Dharun has to say from Star Ledger article by Mark Di Ionno dated Thursday, March 22, and 20/20 program ABC, March 23, Dharun’s exclusive interview with Chris Cuomo.

As we understand from the article and the 20/20 program, every single witness testified unequivocally that Dharun Ravi had absolutely NO hatred towards gays/homosexuals.

The prosecutor’s office has taken advantage of a faulty law to convict Dharun on bias charges, a law that even the judge, Glen Berman, admitted was muddled. Dharun now faces up to 10 years in jail.

The Dean of Rutgers School of Law says in ABC’s 20/20 program that he sees no hate on the part of Dharun. Dan Savage, a gay rights activist, says that there was a rushed opinion at the time of Tyler’s death and shift of blame on shoulders of teenagers Dharun and Molly. As the CNN article from March 23rd by Charles Kaiser suggests, the punishment for Dharun should be to speak at different high schools every week for a year. This can make a big difference in the lives of many high school students!

Dharun is from WWP district, from our community. Anyone who has been in 15 to 20 years age group, and anyone who has raised teenagers will understand that kids this age are capable of making very foolish mistakes. These mistakes are due to their immaturity and momentary lapses in judgment. However, they are not filled with hatred and these are not malicious acts. Let us understand Dharun’s actions for what they were — immature and foolish. Dharun’s actions were NOT born out of hate and bias.

We feel sorry for Tyler Clementi’s family as we try to understand their profound grief.

There are many things we as parents, along with counselors, teachers, friends need to consider when we send our 17/18 year olds as a freshman to a college dorm. Are there any major issues in their life that need to be addressed? Should we be concerned about strangers from the streets, much older than our kids, walking into their dorm rooms? Do they understand the implications of texting and tweeting incessantly? How will our kids handle new opportunities and responsibilities? Instead of drawing lines in the sand and taking sides, let’s come together as a community. Let us show support to one of our own community members, Dharun and his family.

Please sign a petition at: http://www.defenddharunravi.com/DefendDharun/index.asp


Anjani Gharpure
Plainsboro


proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
2. OUT Editor's Letter: Set Ravi Free by Aron Hicklin
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:25 PM
May 2012
http://www.out.com/news-commentary/2012/04/27/editors-letter-set-ravi-free

Editor's Letter: Set Ravi Free

4.27.2012
By Aaron Hicklin


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The spotlight on teen suicide in the gay community was overdue, but it has also left us reaching for simplistic answers where there are none.

When the jury in the Dharun Ravi trial delivered its verdict on March 16, it was possible to feel, at least temporarily, a grim satisfaction that the horrible circumstances around the death of a young gay man had been properly acknowledged. We have not always been able to rely on the courts to treat our lives with dignity and respect, and it’s validating when they do. Ravi’s conviction was a compelling signal that harassment and bullying of LGBT people carries penalties. Yet the verdict also left a bitter aftertaste, as if what was being satisfied was not justice, but revenge.

Ravi did a terrible thing, but he was not on trial for Tyler Clementi’s death, nor should he have been. He was on trial for the nebulous crime of “bias intimidation,” but anyone who believes the case would have gone to trial if Clementi were still alive is kidding himself. Ravi was convicted because Clementi is dead. In that sense, at least, Ravi took the rap for colluding in a culture of bullying and stigmatization that is pervasive. You need only see Bully, an urgent new documentary, which tracks a handful of middle- and high-school students as they negotiate a gauntlet of physical and verbal abuse, to understand that the story of Clementi and Ravi has deep roots. It may have ended with a webcam, but it did not begin with one. Whether Clementi felt ostracized at school, we do not know. But we know he felt ostracized at home: “Mom has basically completely rejected me,” he wrote to a friend shortly after he revealed his homosexuality.

It’s an all-too-familiar narrative, but it’s also a reminder that the experiences that shape us are complicated. The spotlight on teen suicide in the gay community was overdue and necessary, but it has also left us reaching for simplistic answers where there are none. That is not to excuse Ravi, who did a terrible thing, but it does beg questions around what purpose his imprisonment would serve. Does it honor Tyler Clementi’s legacy? Will it prevent other kids from killing themselves? If you think the answer to those questions is no, as I do, we should have the compassion not to wreck another life as some kind of atonement for the one that was lost. Ravi faces up to 10 years when he is sentenced on May 21. A wise judge would set him free.

To understand the seeds of Ravi’s behavior, it’s worth watching Bully, a moving exploration of teen bullying that had been slapped with an R rating because of a few bad words—a decision that producer Harvey Weinstein is exploiting in a crafty publicity drive. I wish the director had compromised a little (and maybe he will), because his movie deserves as wide an audience as it can get. Changing the ratings system is a worthy cause, but Bully has an important mission, and bleeping a few expletives won’t dilute it. Filmed largely in Sioux City, Iowa, it illuminates the extraordinary degree to which children exploit perceived weaknesses and differences to enhance their status in the social hierarchy. Those who stand by silently—as kids are punched, stabbed with pencils, and verbally threatened—are collaborators whether they realize it or not.

Watching the movie, I was reminded how small and claustrophobic the world can appear when you are young, and how trapped one can seem. When 12-year-old Alex Libby quietly admits, “I feel like I belong somewhere else,” it’s as profound a distillation of the insidiousness of bullying as you’re likely to hear. Bully shows how it might be possible to combat that culture, largely by building support groups that challenge the passive collusion of schools and students. But it also shows the power of self-affirmation, particularly in the case of Kelby Johnson, a young transgender teen from Oklahoma, who is shunned by her town after she comes out. She is lucky to have a supportive family and a small cadre of loyal friends, but she also reflects a spunky determination to control her own destiny. Like Johnson, most of us find the fortitude and resilience to survive the vicissitudes of adolescence, but we still have to work out how to help those who don’t.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. I am sick to death of hearing that this kid got a raw deal
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:46 PM
May 2012

A raw deal is having your sex life splashed all of your dorm by your hateful roommate. A raw deal is jumping off a bridge. Mr. Ravi was offered no jail time and turned it down. As it is he is getting less jail time than many who have a few rocks of crack get. Cry me a river.

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