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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:31 PM Aug 2015

Instead of reparations, make black votes count more than white votes

We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person. For reparations, give them 5/3 of a vote.

you want to shut down a conversation about race, just say the word “reparations.” Even black Americans are divided over the idea that money can compensate for the vestiges of an evil institution that ended 150 years ago; only 60 percent think the government should make cash payments to descendants of slaves. White Americans, on the other hand, have reached a consensus: In a YouGov poll taken shortly after the Atlantic published Ta-Nehisi Coates’s viral feature, “The Case for Reparations,” 94 percent were opposed.

Yet a year of protests over disparate law enforcement practices, a decade of particularly sharp income inequality and centuries of imparity in America show that racial reconciliation is impossible without some kind of broad-based, systemic reparations. Recognizing the original sin is simply not enough; we must also make moral and material amends for our nation’s treatment of African American citizens. But if a pecuniary answer can’t fix the structural disadvantage — and it can’t — what can?

Weighted voting.

Thanks to a compromise between Southern slaveholders who wanted enslaved blacks counted in the population, for the sake of boosting Southern congressional representation, and Northern whites who didn’t, the framers enshrined the three-fifths clause in the Constitution. This agreement set the census value of a slave as 60 percent of the value of a free person. Even after the 13th Amendment neutralized the political (and moral) compromise by abolishing slavery, Jim Crow laws, which contravened the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equality, stopped blacks from voting. The just answer today is to invert that ratio. If black Americans were once counted as three-fifths of a person, let each African American voter now count as five-thirds.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/

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Instead of reparations, make black votes count more than white votes (Original Post) cali Aug 2015 OP
The PTB in Texas wouldn't care because on 2/5s can get a photo ID TexasProgresive Aug 2015 #1
Why not 5:1 I bet then AAs would get GOP attention. ileus Aug 2015 #2
So Just African Americans? So many questions... Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #3
That's pretty complex sarisataka Aug 2015 #32
Let's leave aside the fact this openly violates the 14th amendment. former9thward Aug 2015 #4
read the whole piece. cali Aug 2015 #6
How many US birth certificates or driving licenses list a race for the person? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #31
I can't get behind that... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #5
Why not also take votes away from white Southerners? ileus Aug 2015 #7
Would serve them right. ncjustice80 Aug 2015 #14
So you're all for disenfranchising those that YOU don't agree with? GGJohn Aug 2015 #25
Christians.....that'd get their Godly goat. ileus Aug 2015 #30
I say we just kill anyone that diagrees with us. name not needed Aug 2015 #8
Only if you kill them from orbit n/t ryan_cats Aug 2015 #10
. sarisataka Aug 2015 #33
Dumbest shit I've read this weekend. X_Digger Aug 2015 #9
poe's law has me fucked up right now. linuxman Aug 2015 #11
No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2015 #12
Ah, but there's that pesky old Constitution. WillowTree Aug 2015 #13
Not gonna work not gonna happen GusBob Aug 2015 #15
This is a brilliant idea! ncjustice80 Aug 2015 #16
Hush. nt Codeine Aug 2015 #18
You're a real piece of work!! GGJohn Aug 2015 #26
I would prefer a nice Socialist change that eliminates all of our nasty inequalities. JanMichael Aug 2015 #17
How do you logistically plan on doing this? I'm not saying black Americans (among others) haven't MillennialDem Aug 2015 #19
I for one wholeheartedly support increasing Clarence Thomas's voting power (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #20
I did , did you? former9thward Aug 2015 #21
Oh goodie, that one drop I have in me will pay off after all. KentuckyWoman Aug 2015 #22
Thoughtful piece. Thanks (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #23
thanks. I also viewed it as thoughtful- and thought provoking cali Aug 2015 #29
Better yet, take the vote away from all immigrants. L. Coyote Aug 2015 #24
Good idea; logistical nightmare eridani Aug 2015 #27
Counter-proposal: Do away with winner-takes-all and let all votes count the same. DetlefK Aug 2015 #28
You're kidding, I hope jmowreader Aug 2015 #34

TexasProgresive

(12,158 posts)
1. The PTB in Texas wouldn't care because on 2/5s can get a photo ID
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:44 PM
Aug 2015

Yes this is sarcasm. I would have no problem with giving African Americans a super vote.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
2. Why not 5:1 I bet then AAs would get GOP attention.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:46 PM
Aug 2015

Hell how about reducing whites to 1/5....that'd get their goat.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
3. So Just African Americans? So many questions...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:51 PM
Aug 2015

Is it only those descended of slaves? Or any?

What about other minority groups?

Native Americans?

How do we certify who is "black enough"? Self identification, DNA, or? What stops the Rachael Dolezals?

What fractional vote do mixed race persons get?

I was raised understanding I was half Native American and Half Filipino, but I recently did the Ancestory.com DNA test and it says I am 22% African.... whats my vote fraction?

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
4. Let's leave aside the fact this openly violates the 14th amendment.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

Who would determine who is black? A government agency for racial purity? How much would Obama's vote be worth? His daughters? Would people be able to self-declare? If so, all whites have some African DNA in them. Just another attempt to divide our society.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,360 posts)
31. How many US birth certificates or driving licenses list a race for the person?
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:26 AM
Aug 2015

The one I've seen, for instance, President Obama's, lists his father as 'African', his mother as 'Caucasian', but says nothing about him. Does an African father, from an area that had nothing to do with slavery in the USA, count for these purposes?

And that's an early 60s birth certificate. Have certificates in all states continued to have entries for 'race' for the parents? Have any declared a 'race' for the actual child, which is what we'd need here?

The piece seems more like a "think of a really out-there idea, and then others will seem more moderate" attempt, rather than something to be taken seriously. Or an exercise in law and policy for students to argue out.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. I can't get behind that...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:05 PM
Aug 2015

disenfranchising others isn't going to set the record right, and this system would be rife with abuse

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
25. So you're all for disenfranchising those that YOU don't agree with?
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:47 AM
Aug 2015

Who else would you disenfranchise?

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
16. This is a brilliant idea!
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Aug 2015

Unfortunately, I don't know how to get that law passed. The rethugs KNOW it would be electoral suicide to vote for it. Maybe once we take control of congress again we could jam it through???

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
26. You're a real piece of work!!
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:52 AM
Aug 2015

You're in favor of disenfranchising a certain segment of the population?
Are you sure you're on the "right" website?

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
17. I would prefer a nice Socialist change that eliminates all of our nasty inequalities.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:10 PM
Aug 2015

Tinkering around the edges is a losing proposition. The regressives have the money the police and every piece of power now to screw over poor people specifically non-white poor and non-poor non-white people. Try disproportional votes and they will kill us all.

No fuck the Socialists too. They only want tinkering as well, I know I was one. We need more than that.

And yes I am a white guy that is not "poor". I hate this system more every year I live even though I know I benefit from it.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
19. How do you logistically plan on doing this? I'm not saying black Americans (among others) haven't
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:31 PM
Aug 2015

been totally screwed - they have.

But how you define black? 1/2 or more? the 1 drop rule? What about African immigrants?

Also, I'm not trying to do a Bill O'Reilly "don't redistribute my stuff!!!111 I work hard! Herp!" but I'm white and both of my parents were born in Europe and came here in the 1950s as young children so shouldn't my vote count just as much if not more than a white Southerner's but less than a black American's? The same goes for reparations or affirmative action...

I think honestly the only fair way to do it would be

1. a complete redistribution to scratch. Ie let's say the net wealth of the US economy is $30 trillion and there are 300 million people in the US (for simplicity's sake). That's $100,000 per person. So sell everything and give everyone $100,000 then say go all over again. Of course those who are (were?) rich at the start will still pull up because of their high education and business connections

OR

2. socialism. Even then, the current rich would still have advantages here so would likely get better jobs in terms of pay scales and/or benefits.

Either would still even things out quite a bit, but would not correct everything.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
24. Better yet, take the vote away from all immigrants.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:37 AM
Aug 2015

Let the Native Americans decide what to do with their country!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
27. Good idea; logistical nightmare
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:28 AM
Aug 2015

I personally think that monetary reparations could start with making up for so many people of color being cut out of New Deal programs.

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