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(43,049 posts)is the normal commerce, labor, etc. regulations.
Casual sex is OK. Filming sex, paying the actors and selling the video is OK. It's just one player paying the other that's not OK.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)of any other worker.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And I have always thought so. The only proviso being that the parties involved are all 18+ and legally adults. Beyond that, it is no one's business but that of the people involved.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)so that they aren't taken for a costly "ride."
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)freaks to the police w/o getting arrested themselves.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)because they allowed (mostly) men to act out their fantasies safely.
What need to be gotten out of the business are the pimps and sex traffickers, something legality and regulation would go a long way toward doing.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And legalization would put the hammer in the hands of the people who could turn in those scumbags.
Syzygy321
(583 posts)hire male sex workers too,
Ones who knew their business, and could be trusted not to blackmail or rob the client.
Someone tell me if that's been arranged yet.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And it probably happens.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)With the profession licensed, regulated, and taxed for safety reasons for both workers and clients.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Much like Pay Day Lending.
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Trying to stop it happening is very similar to the "war on drugs".
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...is painfully stupid.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)15 years ago, I was against drugs being legal and against prostitution being legal.
I have come to the exact opposite place on both.
They should be legalized and taxed, destigmatized and in the case of drugs, 1/4 the money now being spent on investigation and prosecution should be spent on addiction and treatment centers and with prostitution, 1/4 of the money now being spent on investigation and prosecution should be spent on services to offer sex workers occupational training and other work options if they want it.
There should be all kinds of services for both drug users and sex workers. And you could pay for it with just a fraction of what we now pay for the war on drugs alone.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)hifiguy
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The moralists here use exactly the same sorts of logic as the fundies, albeit with different justifications and like the fundies, they BELIEVE rather than KNOW, it's EEEEEVIL, and logic bounces off of them like bullets off of Superman's cape. Everyone who disagrees is obviously wrong and a horrible person to boot.
If I wanted to argue with the fundamentalist mindset I'd go somewhere other than DU, but they always turn up here.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)It's a shame that so many people who have been exploited and abused in their childhoods seek out the only thing they know in adulthood. And it's a shame that there are so many waiting and willing to continue to use and exploit others for their own gratification because hey, they're 18 so now it is their CHOICE!
But, simply making it illegal does not offer help to the vulnerable people who need help. For the most part, it is a sad situation and we have to find common sense ways to get help to those who need it and not continue to make criminals out of so many of our citizens.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Mindboggling why consensual sex is being policed while actual rapes go unsolved due to lack of manpower.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and monkey around with their consciousness. Hard-wired. ALL human beings since the day homo sapiens emerged on this planet.
Time for people to accept those facts and get over themselves and their sanctimonious Nosy Parker self-righteousness.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The moralizing of sex does no good for anyone except the fundies of many stripes.
Syzygy321
(583 posts)Exploitation dressed up as consensual sex, backed up by violence, and furthered by addiction: is a problem.
Any way of reducing exploitation is ok by me. I don't think there are easy answers. But as a start: criminalizing the buying rather than the selling, as is done in some European countries.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Sex workers would have the same recourse to the law as other workers. And pimps are the source of much of the violence. You cannot override what human nature has consistently been shown to be over thousands of years.
melman
(7,681 posts)There are a lot of pimps in the red light district in Amsterdam
Syzygy321
(583 posts)and workers could be employed/managed by a government health agency, or have solo/group practices?
Pimps do five to ten for preying on people's bodies: I am good w that!
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Syzygy321
(583 posts)that would be better than our current system of criminalizing sex workers themselves.
I would have to know a lot more than I do - and hear all sides and many stories - to push for any particular solution that's being touted as a cure-all.
To repeat: any strategy that reduces exploitation is fine with me.
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is up to the parties as long as both agree to it.
I deleted my post I can't discuss this here.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Noting I can't watch the video - just answering the question.
Rentboy was laundering money though - which is a whole different kettle of fish...
Xithras
(16,191 posts)It's the same charge they used against the MyRedBook site owners when they shut it down. They went through the financial history of the site, found every instance where the owners had transferred funds out of the sites accounts and into their own, and charged them with one count of money laundering for each instance. Under federal law, transferring funds from an illegal enterprise into your bank account is automatically money laundering. Even if that transfer is simply your "paycheck" from a business you believed to be legal.
Once upon a time, "money laundering" meant running cash through a third party to deliberately hide its source, usually to conceal the fact that it came from a crime. Nowadays, the federal government has simplified the definition so that any transfer of funds from an "illegal" business qualifies.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)makes perfect sense though. Thanks! Learn something new here every day.
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Going after consenting adults is a waste of time and resources. People are going to have sex no matter what laws you pass.
Anti-prostitution laws only push the activity further underground and make it more unsafe.