Trump loves the Bible. Yet can't name a verse. And accidently insults Jesus Christ.

[DetlefK]

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/27/watch_donald_trump_refuse_to_name_any_verses_in_his_favorite_book_the_bible/

“The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics,” Trump told Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin, refusing to list one or two favorite verses.

Pressed again, Trump said the Bible was simply too personal to discuss publicly: “I wouldn’t want to get into it because to me that’s very personal. You know, when I talk about the Bible, it’s very personal, so I don’t want to get into verses.”

John Heilemann, searching for a workaround, then asked Trump if he considered himself “an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy.”

“Probably equal,” Trump answered matter-of-factly, explaining his inability to select just one: “The whole Bible is just incredible.”

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Trump has also said he can’t remember the last time he sought the almighty’s forgiveness, dismissing Holy Communion in the process. “When I drink my little wine — which is about the only wine I drink — and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed,”



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He's such a good Christian. No wonder, the fundies love him. He's not getting into specifics about the Bible, he loves all of it, all of it.

He derides the Blood of Christ as "a little wine" and he derides the Body of Christ as "a little cracker", but who cares about Donald Trump denigrating and insulting the holiest aspect of Christianity? He said that he loves the Bible! All of it!

The Bible is the Religious Right's golden calf. They dance around it, they worship it, and they don't care about what it means or contains.

[hobbit709]

1. Trump, like the rest of them, use this version.

[Fuddnik]

74. I'll bet it's this one from the KJV.

Malachai 2:3

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."

Or this one.

Psalm 137

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

[olegramps]

78. I will bet this one isn't one of his favorities:

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Jesus then said to his disciples, " I assure you: it will be very hard for rich people to enter the Kingdom of heaven. I repeat: It is much harder for the rich person to enter Kingdom of God than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle." Mt 19.23-24.

[SusanaMontana41]

85. Trump hasn't gotten past "In the beginning"

because he refuses to read anything that doesn't mention him in the first three words.

[madaboutharry]

2. He is a fraud and a charlatan.

[madokie]

3. I'm a proud non believer

in anything bible, god or Jesus

[nxylas]

75. And you're honest about it

People are criticising Trump's hypocrisy, not his lack of Bible knowledge.

[global1]

4. Reminiscent Of The Katie Couric Question To Sarah Palin About What Newspapers She Reads.....

How about a trip in our wayback machine.....

[CTyankee]

5. I see a difference tho. Yes, it was a gotcha question but legitimate because it

was about a VP candidate keeping up on what is going on in the world. Heilmann and Halperin are just being silly asking about the Bible and favorite Bible verses and Old vs. New Testaments. It is a deeply unserious question politically and has no relevance. These guys are just promoting nonsense...

[global1]

7. I Disagree .....

when I heard Trump saying that the Bible was his favorite book the other day - the first thing that I thought was - someone should ask him what his favorite verses are. Why? To prove what a phony he is. IMHO he said what he said about the Bible because (politically incorrect Trump) knew it was the politically correct thing to do and say. He knows the type of people he needs to play to.

So I think Heilmann & Halperin just called Trump on it. They suspected Trump was pulling things out of his butt and they proved it.

Trump is the 2016 answer to Palin.

[CTyankee]

8. that's fine but beyond that, it isn't too relevant to people...

I don't think people who like Trump are going to care about this. It's irrelevant to everyone else, including Dems like me...

But I do get your point and I hadn't really thought of it that way...

[TexasBushwhacker]

29. It is relevant to Trump's base

That's why exposing him as a religious fraud matters. Personally, I couldn't care less. But Trump is quite popular with the god-fearing crowd. I'm an atheist and even I can quote verses from the Bible.

He is a fraud in other ways. He talks about China and Mexico being our enemies, even though his clothing line was made in China and Mexico, among other countries. He also imported drywall and other building materials from China to save a few bucks.

He talks about being so successful and wealthy, but he doesn't talk about blowing through his inheritance in the 90s and having to borrow $20 Million from his siblings to stay afloat.

So exposing him as a fraud is important.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

43. If he says that the Bible is his favorite book, then he should be able to speak about it

It's as if I were to say Moby-Dick is my favorite novel, but be unable to say who the narrator is -- which would mean that I can't quote the famous first line.

[underpants]

24. Now if someone will ask him about specific policies

Actually someone did at the townhall meeting in NH. He has 1 listing on his website under "Positions" - immigration. At the town hall me likewise brushed off the question and big leagued the questioner (who was not a reporter).

[hatrack]

87. Yep - Palin with more money, marginally more intelligent

.

[calimary]

90. Dayum - you make me think back to the hapless, pathetic April Ryan after the Iraq War started.

She was in the White House Press Corpse at the news conference the next morning. Amidst the protests and the lobbying WE all did on this side of that miserable mess, and the controversy about it, what does she ask bush when he calls on her? "Mr. President, how does your faith serve you?" And this hideously most godless of all Presidents in American history began to pontificate about all kinds of vague religion-based bullshit. Our kids are being sent over there to get their legs blown off, and April Ryan asks that dry-drunk jerk how his faith serves him. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. What a disgrace. Of all questions...

I cannot see her to this very day and not remember that. What a bullshit. What absolute horse-hockey. Pathetic and utterly disgraceful!

[snooper2]

6. In his defense, what idiot decided a little cracker was the "body of Christ"?

I think it was because the Church were just being cheap skates when they came up with it...


Wouldn't it be so much better if instead of a fucking wafer you had, like, a piece of lamb

[CTyankee]

9. Because Last Supper...

[snooper2]

12. They didn't have cows 2000 years ago? Crackers? Where is the damn medium rare steak!

Shit, if it's the last supper I want some lobster tail too!

[CTyankee]

13. I think your lamb reference is spot on, tho...clever, you are...and you are

right. In religious paintings of the Renaissance and the Baroque eras there were references to lamb, particularly depictions of the Wedding in Cana where they were eating lamb and ran out of wine and Jesus performed his first miracle. See the upper right hand of this painting by Veronese in the Louvre...see the guys cutting the lamb and more being trundled in...

[Adsos Letter]

55. That Veronese is gorgeous!

What a palette.

[CTyankee]

59. That is gorgeous. Unfortunately, it is placed right across from the MOna Lisa in the Louvre.

Everybody is clustered around the little Mona Lisa while this thing, which is HUGE, get neglected. So sad. But there is so much to see and who can see it all without a ladder?

IIRC, this was stolen from Italy by Napoleon (who cut the canvas in half! and rolled it up to take it back to France), but after that it was repaired. I saw it in the Louvre in 2010 and didn't see the damage of the cut. The thing fell flat when the Louvre was trying to position it but was OK.

[Adsos Letter]

64. I was checking out the site for the Veronese exhibition at the National Gallery.

It said that: "Many of the paintings are enormous in size, and required a large-scale re-hang of the Gallery’s collection to accommodate... ."

And shame on the Thief of Europe.

[CTyankee]

67. It's amazing that so much of what he brought back is still in the Louvre (which as I

recall, was built to accommodate his "findings&quot .

Thank god for the google which enabled me to do my essay on this painting here on DU. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026713029

[WinkyDink]

54. Yeah, cows in Judea were probably pretty hard to come by.

[jmowreader]

89. They're reenacting the Last Supper

During Jesus' last meal, he took a loaf of bread, waved his hand over it, tore it up, handed out the pieces and said, "this is my body, eat it in remembrance of me." Then he took a grail, filled it with wine, waved his hand over it, called it his blood, and ordered his disciples to drink from it

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. Or a cheese sandwich?

[spanone]

10. on religion, as other topics, trump is full of shit.

[CTyankee]

11. the fundies get a little thimble of grape juice...

I think only Episcopalians get the wine themselves at the altar but I could be wrong. Religion ain't my thing...

[rbrnmw]

16. Catholics too

Or where you just talking protestants?

[CTyankee]

17. Well, I remember the grape juice thing from my days growing up and going to my

aunt and uncle's house during the summer. Both belonged to a local Presbyterian Church and, IIRC, that is where my memory comes from.

Do Catholics get actual wine or just grape juice?

More recently, I have had kiddush wine (with challah) at Reform Temples since I have Jewish family members. I think it is at Shabot services, but I could be wrong.

[rbrnmw]

18. Actual wine and the host (bread) is different

Having attended both types of services.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Catholics, Episcopalians and some Lutherans get actual wine.

But it usually is a cheap red.

[pnwmom]

60. No, Catholics sip wine from the Chalice -- the Communion Cup.

I don't know where you got that idea.

[rbrnmw]

61. That is what I meant

[alphafemale]

22. Dibn't the Chump say he was Presbyterian? nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

31. Episcopalian

The church where rich white people thank God for being rich and white.

[shenmue]

84. In the interview with Palin, he said Presbyterian

[treestar]

25. The fundies use grape juice even though Jesus used wine

because wine is of the devil.

I even heard a debate once: that real wine makes you feel warm and tingly. That shouldn't happen because it is Jesus that should make you feel that way. So use grape juice.

Completely divorced from the story of Jesus changing water into wine, drinking wine at the Last Supper. Maybe that's some of the Bible they studiously ignore.

[xfundy]

30. Many fundies claim the wine of Jesus' time

was non-alcoholic. Because fundies don't drink. (As if.)

[treestar]

39. lol goodness that is true projection

of their own values onto Jesus!

[FlatBaroque]

14. left unsaid....

Jesus was an AMAZING guy. He had INCREDIBLE people around him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. He was YOODGE.

[harris8]

15. Hate to help him out, but here's one: "Jesus wept."

John chapter 11 verse 35

[Sunlei]

19. Gosh if Trump gets into the WH, we'll be free to do anything we want. Long as one is not one of the

'target' classes or races or religions or charities in the USA.

[tanyev]

20. Hey! Sarah Palin sez that's personal!

(from her Facebook page)

WTH, LAMESTREAM MEDIA! STAY OUT OF MY BIBLE WTH?

Lamestream media asks GOP personal, spiritual "gotchas" that they'd NEVER ask Hillary, or they'd feed the question to her and/or liberal cohorts before they asked it on-air (we know how these things work, lapdog media... the public's on to you), so good on Trump for screwing with the reporter. By the way, even with my reading scripture everyday I wouldn't want to answer the guy's question either... it's none of his business; it IS personal; what the heck does it have to do with serving as commander-in-chief; and these reporters trying to trip up conservatives can go pound sand until they ask the same things of their favored liberal pals.

It's so personal that I bet she hopes NOBODY buys her devotional book, Sweet Freedom, coming out in November--a perfect time to stock up on Christmas presents!

Also, too, that super-duper Christian lady knows that WTH does not mean H-E-double hockey sticks, right?

[underpants]

21. Uh oh Joel Osteen the Donald is moving in on your racket

[treestar]

23. Palinesque

[moondust]

28. Has anyone asked him

how often he goes to church and which church he usually goes to?

Takin' the fundies for a ride in TheRumpmobile...

[LiberalElite]

36. Whatever church it is

I bet there's a big T on the top.

[moondust]

37. Here's one:

Maybe he can claim it's a church and get a big tax break.

[LiberalElite]

38. Yes!

There is a God!

[onecaliberal]

32. He's a fraud. Most churches serve grape juice with communion.

Catholics only receive the body of Christ. There is no liquid involved in communion.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

40. Many churches do, in fact, serve wine.

The Episcopal church does, and so do some Lutherans, as well as the Eastern Orthodox. The Catholic church can serve wine but usually does not. http://catholicism.about.com/b/2008/04/11/reader-question-why-do-catholics-receive-only-the-host.htm Only the non-liturgical Protestant churches (e.g. Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian) serve grape juice instead of wine. Trump is a fraud, but not because he says he gets wine at church (however, if he says he's getting wine at a Presbyterian church he's probably lying because they almost always use grape juice).

[onecaliberal]

42. I grew up Catholic, attended many many

Different churches. Never once had any liquid with communion. Baptist churches serve grape juice, I've been to many of those churches as well.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. The Episcopal church I used to attend always had wine.

I think it was a cheap Merlot, but it was definitely wine.

[onecaliberal]

45. I've only ever gone to catholic and baptist churches.

[arcane1]

51. The Episcopal church my family goes to serves real wine.

They hold same-sex weddings too!

[redwitch]

52. My Catholic church serves wine.

I don't remember if that was the case at the parish in which I grew up.

[Turin_C3PO]

58. It just depends

Many do serve the wine. It's just not required

[pnwmom]

62. You left long ago then. It is discretionary, but the majority of Catholic Churches

started serving wine sometime in the years after Vatican 2.

It is up to the bishops in each diocese to decide, so some have decided not to, often for health reasons.

[onecaliberal]

63. No, I attended baptist churches for a while.

I was last in church a week ago, no wine. In fact there is no wine at any of the 6 Catholic Churches in this city.

[pnwmom]

65. As I said, it is up to the individual bishops, but the majority of bishops allow it, including

those in Los Angeles and San Francisco.

So it isn't true that Catholics in general don't receive wine. I've been receiving wine since the 70's, at Catholic Churches around the country. In fact I haven't been to a single Church that doesn't offer it.

The article below was written about concerns about germs during a flu outbreak.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/01/local/me-beliefs1

However, many local church leaders, like those with the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, have offered common-sense suggestions to reduce the chance of infections.

Those include having their ministers wash their hands thoroughly before Communion, wipe the chalice rim thoroughly after each sip, and wash the cup with soap and hot water after each service.

A written statement by the Los Angeles archdiocese also asked those in church "to be considerate of others and not drink from the chalice when sick."

SNIP

Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans are among the denominations that use a single Communion cup. Others, including Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists and many evangelical congregations, pass out individual or disposable mini-cups.

[onecaliberal]

66. Obviously. Do you feel superior now?

Enjoy the dust bin.

[melman]

70. Me too. Never saw any wine.

[Turin_C3PO]

57. I was raised Catholic

My church served red wine at every service. It must depend on the region. I know the catechism says that bread is sufficient but that individual churches can serve red wine. Also Anglicans and many Lutherans serve red wine.

[olegramps]

77. You are misinformed.

[CanonRay]

33. My mother's saying: "Phony as a three dollar bill"

I'm pretty sure she would include Trump in this analysis. I bet he's never picked up a Bible in his life.

[Grammy23]

34. For those who question the relevance of asking Trump about his favorite

Passages in the By-Bull....Mr. Trump is the one who brought the subject into the conversation. He insists on mentioning #1...his book, The Art of the Deal and oh, by the way....#2....his favorite book of all time, The By-Bull. Not being disrespectful here. That is how Trump pronounces it. And he brings it up at every.single.speaking.engagement. He knows how to work an audience doesn't he?

So he mentions his favorite book of all time repeatedly but when pressed for a comment on anything contained in the book, he goes all shy and closed mouth about it. Suddenly "it's personal". The first time I heard him make the comment I wanted to gag, it was so blatantly phony. I was hoping someone would call him out to explain further which parts resonated for him, which verses influenced his life because I knew he was blowing smoke and would hem and haw and give some phony, bologna answer. He did not disappoint. What did disappoint me was that two journalists let him off and did not press further for an answer. I think Trump's bombast and bullying works very well to keep the journalists cowed and afraid to press him or confront him with his lies for fear they will get the Ramos treatment.

[LiberalElite]

35. Although I'd sooner poke out one of my eyes with a stick than vote for the guy,

I thought what his answers were hilarious, esp. the part about his having his "little cracker". I can't take these statements seriously AT ALL. It's so obvious that he isn't even trying to sound like the sanctimonious hypocritical right-wing "Christians." - and I can't imagine that Jesus cares a whole lot what Trump says. I mean, Jesus's feelings are hurt because of the bloviating rants of a self-important failed businessman with the world's worst combover?

For me, an equivalent answer from me if I were asked how fundamentalist I was, I'd say "Oh, yeah, I handled a snake just last week and talked gibberish to it. Praise Jezus."

[jmowreader]

41. That was a true "gotcha" question

He really likes Leviticus 25.44-46, Exodus 21.7-11, Leviticus 20.13 (however, he stuck a piece of duct tape over 20.10)...but his campaign advisors told him if he threw out those verses his followers would go Matthew 7.23 on his ass.

[oberliner]

47. I don't think he is big with the anti-gay rhetoric

Certainly not compared to his more Christian compatriots.

[jmowreader]

48. Poppy Bush was pro-choice until Reagan asked Bush to be Reagan's running mate

If Trump really wants to win the election as a Republican he must accept ALL the tea party's requirements without question...and that includes the whole anti-gay thing.

[oberliner]

49. Yes but he is not a true believer in that stuff like Huckabee or Santorum

Or even Ted Crazy Cruz who people think will get Trump's voters once Trump ditches out.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. “The whole Bible is just incredible.”

One might even say "unbelievable".

Especially the part about building towers is an afront to God.

[jmowreader]

50. Don't forget a few other incredible things...

Jesus throwing the moneychangers out of the temple.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

And then there's the part when Jesus told the rich guy he couldn't go to heaven unless he sold all his stuff and gave the money to the poor.

[trueblue2007]

56. JOHN 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

[Liberal_in_LA]

68. cuz he is lying.Trump isn't religious

[jazzimov]

71. What was that verse

about the rich man, camel, and the eye of a needle?

[phleshdef]

72. LOL. Obama would've nailed that question without problem. And I bet Bernie, as a Jewish person....

....could ever rattle off some innocuous, well intentioned Bible verses with no problem.

Trump isn't a believer anyway. Its just a status thing with people like him.

And hey, it doesn't bother me that he isn't, I'm agnostic leaning toward the atheist side of things. Its the fact that Trump is a total poseur about it that pisses me off.

[cynzke]

73. We should be very concerned ....

About who Trump would pick for VP. If it were remotely possible to be elected, I have concerns about Trump serving for long. I doubt he is capable and qualified nor has the temperament for the position. He may bluff his way into the WH but if anyone has a chance of getting impeached and removed from office, it seems to me it would be Trump. We should be concerned who would replace him.

[LonePirate]

76. You only need to claim to love the Bible to succeed as a Repub. Obviously most have not read it ...

Their behavior certainly indicates they don't follow its teachings.

[IronLionZion]

79. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle

than for a rich racist windbag to enter kingdom of God.

[melman]

80. I think his inability to fake this could be his undoing.

[Beartracks]

81. "Drink my little wine... have my little cracker..." Wow.

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[Beartracks]

82. How Palin-esque.

"I read lots of magazines! Like uh..... um.... I can't think of one, but I do read!"

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[shenmue]

83. John 11:35 - "Jesus wept."

[MatthewStLouis]

91. You beat me to it!

It's short, easy to remember, and sums up exactly how Jesus might feel about Trump and his followers.

[SusanaMontana41]

86. What an embarrassment.

Thanks for the thread. I really like your comments.

[czarjak]

88. "Nothing beats the Bible"....

Just ask a Mormon. Nitwit.

[WinstonSmith4740]

92. This sums up the radical right as clearly as I've ever seen.

The Bible is the Religious Right's golden calf. They dance around it, they worship it, and they don't care about what it means or contains.