TOM TOMORROW: The Routine

[Hissyspit]

DAILY KOS LINK: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/31/1416438/-Cartoon-The-routine

[valerief]

1. How the Gunited States of America addresses its gun problem. nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

7. Love that! Did you make that up?? I'm stealing it no matter!!

[valerief]

12. Yes, I did make it up and used it on about three posts so far. Use it. It fits, doesn't it? nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

13. Sadly yes. Thanks. n/t

[valerief]

14. I haven't googled it yet. Probably thousands of other people have thought of it, too.

[KG]

2. ammosexuals gots rights, man!

[Raster]

3. ammosexuals got rights....

AMMOSEXUALS

[SoapBox]

4. Ammosexuals

Funny!

[chalmers]

5. Death, misery, despair, guns and weapons

The only thing America does anymore.

[Gothmog]

6. Great cartoon

[awoke_in_2003]

8. Reminds me of Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog

Once their shift ends they punch out, and their replacements, who just punched in, take over exactly where the others left off.

On edit: that's a Looney Tunes reference.

[Takket]

9. any hopes of gun reform in the USA died with an apathetic shrug beside those babies in Newtown

nothing is as tragic as the slaughter itself, but the reaction to it was nearly as bad. I lost all hope of anything ever changing at that point. America has accepted this as an unwanted status quo, but a status quo none the less.

[LiberalLovinLug]

10. Along with a slew of amateur videos on YouTube

screaming about how it was all a set up.

I have to say I share your sentiment. If that didn't give Washington the political will, I don't see what would. They couldn't even work on passing a basic universal background check requirement that 92% of Americans agreed with. again....

[whatthehey]

38. Sure. Wanted by 90%+, me included, but unconstitutional as buggery

When you give the Feds the right to oversee intrastate commerce, then we can have UBC. 2/3 of Congress and states willing to do that? No I doubt it too.

Lots of things make emotional but not legal sense.

[SecularMotion]

11. There is progress being made at the state level

In May, Oregon became the sixth state to pass a background check law since Sandy Hook, and it’s now one of 18 states that require background checks extending to at least some private gun sales. The Oregon legislation closes the loophole that exempts private gun sales from background checks, aiming to prevent felons, the mentally ill, and others from buying firearms. It’s the first time in more than 14 years that Oregon had tightened gun laws. And the state legislature acted only after Oregon voters had elected more pro-gun control Democrats in 2014, who were backed by Bloomberg’s group and other outside groups. The other states to strengthen background checks include Colorado, Connecticut, and Washington state, which passed its measure through a 2014 ballot initiative after the legislation stalled in the statehouse.

Advocates have already gotten enough signatures to put a similar background check initiative on the ballot in Nevada for the 2016 elections, and they’re now pushing to do the same in Maine and Arizona. In fact, there is broad, bipartisan support for expanded background checks. A recent Pew poll shows that 88 percent of Democrats and 79 percent of Republicans support them. The ballot initiatives push aims to tap into that public support and go around politicians beholden to the National Rifle Association. “It gets to the problem of special interests and gummed up legislative bodies. If the people and voters notice something works, they’ll support it,” said Ambler.

Other incremental changes are also gaining traction in red and blue states alike. Since the Sandy Hook shooting, 11 states have strengthened laws to prevent domestic abusers from obtaining guns, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a San Francisco-based advocacy group. “The area with clearly the most activity is strengthening laws designed to keep guns from domestic violence offenders. It’s the type of policy that fairly conservative places like Louisiana and Wisconsin are strengthening,” said Dan Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122649/gun-control-advocates-make-slow-progress-just-not-washington

[beevul]

15. One toon to rule them all.

[Hissyspit]

16. Stupid cartoon doesn't rule anything.

20 children at Sandy Hook were twined to death. Yeah, we need to regulate twine.

[ellisonz]

18. That's one of the stupidest cartoons I have ever seen on this website. n/t

[beevul]

19. Only because it plainly points out an uncomfortable, and perhaps embarassing truth...

Clearly illustrated by the hundreds of replies and calls to ban knives and rage against knife nuts in the below linked thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014775943

[ellisonz]

20. Are you serious?

Sometimes with you I just can't tell if it's the gun obsession or the complete lack of a point. Your whole little argument here is a false equivalency. It's shameful given the implications for human life

[beevul]

21. "Gun obsession". ROFL.

Sometimes with you I just can't tell if it's the gun obsession...

Yeah, someone that hasn't bought a gun since 2004 has a gun obsession. Would you care to take a second reading, miss cleo?

...or the complete lack of a point.

Oh, yes indeed, theres a point there, big as the day is long, and you are missing it.

Or refusing to acknowledge it.

Your whole little argument here is a false equivalency.

False equivalency to what?

Thick on assertions, anorexic on substantiation.

[Hissyspit]

22. Yes, clearly bicycles and automobiles are the same.

And require the same regulation or lack of.

Look up 'false equivalence,' again. Can you think of any reason Adam Lanza chose a big stick he found in the woods to kill his 20 child and six adult victims?

Stupid cartoon. There's something embarrassing here, but it's not people refusing to admit some 'truth' in the cartoon.

[beevul]

42. What is it, that you think...

What is it, that you think that I am drawing a false equivalency to?

[MicaelS]

43. It perfectly illustrates the views of those like yourself.

When 5 people get stabbed to death, the reaction here was fucking crickets. Whereas if they been shot, they would have dozens of threads.

That just proves it's all about guns as a totem of evil to some. It is not about people getting killed, just the WAY they get killed.

[ellisonz]

17. *sigh*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598508

[hack89]

23. Skinner: "There are Democrats who support gun rights."

that really bothers you, doesn't it?

[ellisonz]

24. Yes, I'm tired of counting bodies. You? n/t

[hack89]

25. So why not start working with gun owners instead of vilifying us?

you and I see eye to eye on most gun control issues - the only thing I reject out of hand are AWBs and registration. Surely that is the basis of a constructive working relationship.

[ellisonz]

26. We've been trying!

And no, there's no compromise on the AWB. Bring it back!

Why do you oppose having to register your firearms? Wouldn't that help prevent the current toxic stew of unregulated gun transactions?

We can't agree because you refuse to look at this from a public policy perspective rather than a narrow one.

[hack89]

27. So you are absolutely right and I am absolutely wrong.

and until I accept everything you want, I am a RW ammosexual. Is that close to what you believe?

Compromise means we both give up something. You don't believe in compromise, do you?

[ellisonz]

28. No, but there are legitimate disagreements.

I absolutely believe in compromise, but I also believe in public safety. You're playing with lives, it's sad. I suggest you open your eyes.

And we're not fricking legislators! Why you have spent years on DU where the vast majority don't agree with your position is beyond me? What is your purpose here preaching your gun idealism? I didn't call you a RW ammosexual, I think you're just very confused on the facts and unempathetic to those who have lost loved ones because of assault weapons and untraceable guns. That saddens me just a little bit and I hate that DU has to listen to your screed over and over and over again every time there's a horrible act of violence in this country. I think you should work on listening skills

[hack89]

29. All I do is disagree with you on a couple of issues

I support stricter gun control. I live in a state with strong gun control laws yet am perfectly able to pursue my interest in guns. It is proof that well written gun control laws are not an imposition on gun owners. I would love for every state to have the same laws Rhode Island does.

But I will not ignore baseless or emotional attacks on gun owners. It might come as a shock to you but I do not like being called ammosexual, gun humper, pre-killer, racist, etc, just because I like to own and shoot guns.

RI does not have registration or an AWB - and we have extremely low gun violence rates. So instead of focusing on the narrow disagreement between us, why not focus on the wide areas of agreement. You need to work on your listening skills too.

[ellisonz]

30. They are big issues.

You know Hillary doesn't agree with you right? She strongly supported both the AWB and registration. Irony!

And I would love for every state to have the same laws California does...what's your point? Pseudo-social-science?

Then leave DU! Here: http://www.discussionist.com/

[hack89]

31. So?

I support HRC for other issues. Guns are not going to be an issue in the election - nothing will change regardless of who gets elected so it is not a factor in deciding who to vote for.

I don't plan to leave DU - after ten years I have grown accustomed to the place. Skinner has no problem with my gun views and his is the only opinion here that matters. Yours certainly does not.

[ellisonz]

35. Why are you voting for someone who disagrees with you then?

Are you sure about that? I want Democrats to control all three branches of government. Do you?

Most of DU doesn't agree with you. Deal with it.

[hack89]

39. I am not a single issue voter

It doesn't matter if they disagree with me about guns when they support things that have no chance of passing.

Of course I want Dems to control all three branches of government. What a stupid question.

I have dealt with it for 10 years. I simply don't take it personally. It is just a message board after all.

[Duckhunter935]

32. Ah yes California

Strict regulations and fairly high in firearms crimes. Why an AWB when they are used the least in crimes? Why focus on cosmetic features? Is a NY SAFE compliant AR or AK functionally the same as one from out of state? Hand guns are the main problem for firearms and there is nothing similar to a useless AWB for them. I think we should seriously increase the data for NICS, UBC and at the very least open NICS up for private sales at little or no cost.

I will have more respect for you and the other hosts if they would call out and condemn the insults directed at firearms owners here but sadly I will not hold my breath as your allowing them is indeed agreement with them.

[ellisonz]

33. I'm not a host of the main forums or on MIRT anymore. I don't allow anything.

California isn't exporting guns. California is dealing with a legacy of bad gun laws and bad neighbors. Handguns are a problem too, I wish there were substantially more regulation. I want them off our streets: http://homicide.latimes.com/ - Keep your guns out of my state, thank you!

I don't need your respect.

[Duckhunter935]

34. Are you not a group host?

On one of the gun related groups? As a host for that group you have the power to reign in some of the insults directed at DU members. Sorry to say you and the other hosts let them stand so you must agree with them. Truly sad that you would allow those insults to stand in your protected "safe haven".

[ellisonz]

36. What's your point?

[Duckhunter935]

37. A host should maintain a high standard

And not allow the name calling and insults in the group they control. That is just sad and shows the level of the discourse from that side. And you are surprised when you get little or no cooperation from the ones you and your members continually insult and call names.

[ellisonz]

40. Poor you!

Have you considered that maybe most pro-gun control DUers don't expect you to ever cooperate? In fact, they're rather sickened by the presence your views outside of the Gungeon. This thread has 87 recs.



Also, this is crossing into a personal attack with the intention to disrupt this thread. You will get no further response.

[Duckhunter935]

41. Sorry to hear that

I have always been taught to be polite and live by the golden rule. I might not have always been successful, but I try and mostly succeed. This just shows how one side actually tries to work together and cooperate on reducing gun related crime and enhancement of firearms safety. One side just seems to be into allowing insults name calling. Sorry that the truth is so hard to take. You ARE a host and that should be pointed out. If you take that as being insulting, stop being a host that allows the type of posts I am talking about. I see you have no dialogue on any of my proposals. Makes too much sense and no insults or name calling I guess.

[PeteSelman]

44. Kicking this every time it happens.

It's sick and sad.

[Hissyspit]

45. I see what you did there.